As of today I am getting a mindat toolbar popping up on the bottom of my screen. I realize that many folks may find this useful, but I have no use for it and actually find it very distracting and annoying, especially when it keeps reappearing after I close it. I can't find a way in Windows or Firefox to make it permanently go away. Can anyone enlighten me or is there a way in mindat I can opt out? I could find nothing on mindat that mentioned that this toolbar would appear or any forum on the topic. Thanks http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,229866#msg-229866 Thu, 23 May 2013 10:54:03 +0000 Phorum 5.2.15a http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231672#msg-231672 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231672#msg-231672 It is sorted now,
Eric
B)]]> George Eric Stanley Curtis General Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:49:43 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231657#msg-231657 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231657#msg-231657
Then I have a solution for you!

Install this:

[code.google.com]

And it will make Mindat (and many other modern websites) work properly in IE8

Jolyon]]> Jolyon & Katya Ralph General Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:18:38 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231653#msg-231653 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231653#msg-231653
I was on IE8, because I do not like IE9 format.
I tried IE9 just for you.
The toolbar works on IE9.

I shall now return to IE8, which is my preferred browser.

Cheers,
Eric ;)]]> George Eric Stanley Curtis General Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:59:49 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231650#msg-231650 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231650#msg-231650
I cannot repeat that here - it's working fine on my Windows 7 machine with Internet Explorer 9 - Version 9.0.8112.16421 - please go to "About Internet Explorer" in the menu and let me know what version you are using.

> Can we not have a 'fade' option that makes it totally and permanently invisible?

No, because then how would you be able to open it again when you need it?

> The 'text' window on the Tbar has dropped out of sight.

It will sometimes do this, after loading a page or resizing, but should automatically repair itself within a few seconds.

> The close button closes and reopens within seconds.

Have never seen this.]]> Jolyon & Katya Ralph General Sun, 31 Jul 2011 10:59:57 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231647#msg-231647 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231647#msg-231647 Not that I mind much.
Can we not have a 'fade' option that makes it totally and permanently invisible?
For info, I have windows 7 premium running latest IE on a brand new laptop.
The 'text' window on the Tbar has dropped out of sight. The close button closes and reopens within seconds.
The toolbar option remains non functional, even if I shut down and restart, so I am on permanent fade.

Your toolbar is no longer functioning.

Thanks
Eric :S]]> George Eric Stanley Curtis General Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:56:37 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231639#msg-231639 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231639#msg-231639 Jolyon & Katya Ralph General Sun, 31 Jul 2011 02:02:58 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231638#msg-231638 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231638#msg-231638
Thank you.

I opted to 'Fade toolbar when not in focus' - unfortunately, now the Search and Options icons don't work.

Windows Vista & IE 8.]]> Dan Fountain General Sun, 31 Jul 2011 01:47:40 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231636#msg-231636 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231636#msg-231636 David Bernstein General Sun, 31 Jul 2011 01:34:36 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231626#msg-231626 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231626#msg-231626
Most people will want to choose one of 'Fade toolbar when not in focus' or 'Fix toolbar to bottom of page'

There's not much point to use both.

iPad/iPhone users should find this version automatically fixes the problem they had before with toolbar in middle of page. The 2nd option is therefore not available to these users, as it's enabled by default and can't be disabled.

The timer for slides isn't working right yet. Please be patient!

I'm also going to fix the slideshow so the first frame doesn't load in an ugly way.

Jolyon]]> Jolyon & Katya Ralph General Sat, 30 Jul 2011 22:29:08 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231446#msg-231446 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,231446#msg-231446
Jolyon Ralph Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The problem with the toolbar on iPad and iPhone is
> due to a bug in Safari on these browsers not
> correctly rendering the 'Position: Fixed'
> property.
>
> I am told this will be fixed in the forthcoming
> IOS version 5 - which is due for release soon.
>
> Jolyon]]> Jim Hall General Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:49:15 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230879#msg-230879 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230879#msg-230879
Google+1 is their version of Facebook and is currently still in beta.]]> Douglas Merson General Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:08:55 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230813#msg-230813 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230813#msg-230813
What is Google +1?]]> Michael J. Bainbridge General Thu, 21 Jul 2011 17:20:20 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230794#msg-230794 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230794#msg-230794

Fine by me. Again, my complaints have involved aesthetic and navigational issues and what you write seems to address them. So many thanks. Seems to be a better solution then waiting for the IOS 5 or whatever it is called which will not be released till fall.]]> David Bernstein General Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:26:12 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230784#msg-230784 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230784#msg-230784
It went unnoticed to me (and a few more other people I talked to at the Mindat conference) when you were talking about them as 'crap'... :)]]> Chris Mavris General Thu, 21 Jul 2011 09:23:26 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230781#msg-230781 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230781#msg-230781 Roger Curry General Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:19:55 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230777#msg-230777 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230777#msg-230777
Thank you very much! This is really good news!

With all my rants against Facebook and others one thing may have gone unnoticed: I don’t think these items should go! Even if it is only for SEO, the times we are living in makes it necessary to have them. What I do hope however is that there is a way to disable the network traffic to these sites.

It is some kind of (good!) compromise between the necessities of Mindat and the privacy concerns of many users to include logic like that:

If the user has not disabled the social network connections (default behavior):
Load the plugins (FB “Like it”, Google Plusone,…) from the respective site and enable reoccurring traffic to these sites.

If the user has disabled it:
Load static resources (images, static links) from the Mindat site and disable reoccurring traffic.

The screen real estate should not be a concern for anyone because if you look at it without emotions it is actually really tiny (350 x 30 pixels) compared to the rest of the screen, even on a netbook like the one I am writing this from. If carefully placed it will never be in the way (and we cannot hold Jolyon responsible if it is in the way because of a bug in the respective implementation of certain browsers).

What all users should be aware of is the fact that these much criticized items generate income in the long run for Mindat and/or Jolyon (e.g.: Minfind.com) which in turn helps to keep our most favorite mineralogical site alive. For this reason alone we should be glad that they are there.

The idea to fade the toolbar out if not in use is pure genius and will make the experience painless for all.
Pinning it to the bottom of a page makes no sense to me (others might disagree here), but if it is an option, so be it.
I still believe that the best solution would be to merge the menu bar at the top (which really takes a lot of screen estate for what it does) and the toolbar at the bottom to a single “Command Center” that is pinned to the top of the page (and possibly with an option to pin it to the bottom).

I am looking forward to seeing the new functionality in action like the lightbox, which sounds exciting.

Thanks again, Jolyon, and please forgive me if I’ve come across to strong in my criticism.

Branko]]> Branko Rieck General Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:30:47 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230772#msg-230772 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230772#msg-230772 Mickey Marks General Thu, 21 Jul 2011 04:07:47 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230753#msg-230753 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230753#msg-230753 Chris Mavris General Thu, 21 Jul 2011 00:10:17 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230744#msg-230744 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230744#msg-230744
If you don't use such services then of course you will find these features unnecessary (and I promise I WILL provide a way to permanently turn them off), but just because they are not useful for you does not mean they are not useful for mindat.

I am experimenting with some other ideas to make the toolbar less annoying for some of you.

One option is to fade the toolbar out, so it is translucent and not so distracting unless you move your mouse over it. This will not be the default behaviour, because it is not compatible with touch devices such as the iPad (and yes, David, I am very keen to make sure it works well with the iPad!) - This will also solve the problem where a text search identifies an item that is hidden below the toolbar.

Another option is to pin the toolbar to the bottom of the page rather than the bottom of the screen, so it will just act like a standard page footer and never overlay anything. Again, this will be an option, and will be permanent once you have set it.

There will also be an option (as mentioned above) to enable/disable certain items, such as the social media options and the minfind link.

There are some new tools coming soon to the toolbar. The most exciting will be the lightbox.

With the lightbox, when you are viewing a photo, you have the option to add it to your lightbox. This is a panel that allows you to store and compare photographs. You can reorder them, comment on them, create an article about them, or a slideshow presentation which can be stored in your profile in a similar way to an article. actually - as you've already seen, a slideshow and article can be the same thing.

This will be improved in the future so you can add text slides to slideshows, and play it in a presentation format (so you can move from one slide to another with a button press). Then you'll be able to build an article in mindat that can also be viewed as a slideshow presentation, complete with text, if you want to!

Perhaps at the next mindat conference, all presentations will be created and presented on mindat.org using this system. This has the great advantage that you can be able to view the presentations even if you're not at the conference!]]> Jolyon & Katya Ralph General Wed, 20 Jul 2011 23:20:36 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230651#msg-230651 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230651#msg-230651 J. Roger Mitchell General Tue, 19 Jul 2011 21:47:57 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230612#msg-230612 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230612#msg-230612 Uwe Kolitsch General Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:40:57 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230581#msg-230581 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230581#msg-230581 I followed this thread because I'm neither especially fond of the toolbar. I first found it annoying due to its simple presence and the impossibility of deactivation. In the meantime I don't notice the toolbar anymore. It's just 1 cm less mindat on my monitor.
I don't quite understand the reason of connecting the toolbar with social networks but that shall not be purpose of my post.
It may be of browser nature (in my case Mozilla Firefox v 3.6) but I find it really annoying when looking for a locality and if there are multiple choices I use the strg+f function. Firefox highlights the text parts I type into the find field in green color at the bottom of the page. And due to the existence of the toolbar I cannot see what I am looking for. So I have to close the toolbar every time.

Regards
Philip]]> Philip Bluemner General Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:13:00 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230413#msg-230413 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230413#msg-230413 "The content I dislike are the so-called “social networks”. Maybe I am too old for this kind of crap, but I consider them to be data collection endpoints where unsuspecting people are seduced to enter personal data which in turn is exploited by some mega-companies for monetary gain. "

I agree with Branko - I'm too old for this kind of crap. I have never and will never use Facebook or any of the other "anti-social" sites. Screen real estate, bandwidth, and time are too precious to have to deal with this kind of stuff. Why do you think I use the DVR for almost every TV program? So I can skip thru all the #$^*)^ commercials.]]> Ed Godsey General Sun, 17 Jul 2011 00:51:20 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230377#msg-230377 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230377#msg-230377
I am told this will be fixed in the forthcoming IOS version 5 - which is due for release soon.

Jolyon]]> Jolyon & Katya Ralph General Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:53:50 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230375#msg-230375 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230375#msg-230375 David Bernstein General Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:36:56 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230365#msg-230365 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230365#msg-230365 Discoveries are being made that may not be posted here if it takes so long to upload info...sort of contradicts the purpose of the site.

The toolbar is a redundant annoyance...continually.]]> Will Shewfelt General Sat, 16 Jul 2011 04:24:30 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230352#msg-230352 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230352#msg-230352 Jolyon & Katya Ralph General Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:51:50 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230319#msg-230319 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230319#msg-230319 Brent Thorne General Fri, 15 Jul 2011 16:43:41 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230310#msg-230310 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230310#msg-230310 I don't get involved with Face Book. Twitter, etc., but I do not have to click the buttons and perhaps there will be a way to customize the bar and remove them.
A couple of days ago, the mindat site was slower that the growth of grass. Today it is fine.
Already, I do not even notice the presence of the bar. I use a desktop computer.]]> Donald Peck General Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:16:54 +0000 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230287#msg-230287 http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,229866,230287#msg-230287
Your posts make me more pure joy to watch here!


@ All: Toolbar or not.......this decision is the decision of the side holder.

Because the excited discussion he will make his thoughts already ...

The developments here lately let me ask you excited:

"Where we are headed?" Wohin wird diese "Reise"/Entwicklung noch führen?

Best regards

(a worried)

Marcus]]> Marcus Vau General Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:18:30 +0000