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Posted by Matteo Chinellato  
avatar Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 12:30PM
As long as the picture is not just a glorified advertisement for a specimen on sale elsewhere- my pet issue, the POTD could show an out of focus donkey hauling ore out of a mine for all I care.

Reminds me of my other passion, live music, one man's spectacular soundboard recording is another's audio nightmare. Can't please everyone.
avatar Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 01:25PM
Matteo, you are very welcome here but you need to understand that most Mindat users feel that technical perfection is usually only a small part of a good mineral picture. George just meant that photo forums may be more appropriate for more elite photographers to display their skills, we generally are happy here to see interesting minerals, etc, including yours.

Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 03:49PM

Comments such as yours are not constructive. In fact they are destructive.

When I first joined Mindat I was fortunate to have a few POTDs.
Almost immediately people like you started to question MIndat's judgment.
Well - I didn't come here to get whined at.
So I requested management that my photos be removed from the "pool".
Is this the reaction that you are looking for?

I have no illusions that my photos have either the technical or artistic quality of a great many of Mindat's generous contributors.
But I think that (at least some of) my photos are useful and that's all I want.
I'm a firm believer in the 80-20 rule - 20% of the effort for 80% of the benefit.
Life is too short. There are other things to do.
So I'm not willing to invest either more money or more time to attain perfection (assuming that I even could).
And I think that even you will agree that mere technical perfection does not make for an interesting photo.

Like many of the respondents, I have no problem whatsoever with Mindat's choices for POTD.
They provide a good cross section of ALL types of INTERESTING "stuff".
And - unlike your comments - they encourage participation and growth.

avatar Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 05:22PM
All, what I can do in mineral photography taught me my friends on Strahlen (Jean Marc Johanet, Harjo, and others) .
Each of my request and resolved to show me the way forward.
I absolutely agree with Harjo - not the technology and procedures, but only the head and imagination of photographs and training - not technics.

I am ashamed to show here my photo-setup because the setup is absolutely primitive and made ​​at home - Not using any high-technolgy ;) .

But thanks to my friends - and what it taught me - I can even with this primitive technique decent photos. And here and at this place I say: THANK YOU FRIENDS about it !

All photographs on Mindat are great inspiration for me but unfortunately my knowledge of English allows me not to actively participate in discussions about the mineral photos.

Without friends, I never could not such photos as for example here


Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2011 05:43PM by Vítězslav Snášel.
avatar Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 06:26PM

I just like to remeber what the theme of this messsage board is:

Discussions on best techniques for mineral photography

To critism the technical quality of pictures and also to say I dont speak about how to improve techniqe and dont tell how I do is destructive as Modris says.

The expression of a picture is a result of content, art ( aesthetic), technical quality plus the imagination of the photographer.

In over 30+ years of photographing minerals I learned that individuals see pictures completely different as we see minerals different. Some like the beauty of Agates and others the crystallographic forms and most like color.
If a picture has interesting content and some aesthetic and it is technical not to poor ist is ok.
I personally dont like pictures of destroyed landscape e.g. quarries but I can accept that is an interesting object for others.

Concerning technical tips: There some literature how to improve quality of mineral pictures. Unfortunately most beginners accept only simple and cheap and easy guidance without many reading and with instant good results.
But like in other activities: To play needs an instrument, talent, knowledge and practice, practice......

Matteo, I like your pictures, but as you can see in this discussion giving hints would be better than harsh critism.


Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 07:16PM
I can only agree with others and say that by fare, the POTD shouldn't necessarily be the best picture, it should be the most informative and ideally one that is an educational piece.

An example for you; when a prospective, amateur collector arrives at the site, the first thing they see is, obviously, the home page. The POTD can therefore be representative of the content of the site both as an aesthetic piece, but also as an informative object. In many ways, it is the same for those who frequent the site regularly in that the POTD can provide insight into areas that were previously unknown, of specimens many had no idea about or simply of something of general interest. I think the key then, is that aesthetics should not become the be-all-and-end-all. We need only refer to pictures of historical content, maybe 20+ years old, where the image quality is not necessarily high but the content is of great value.

Just a few cents on the subject...! ;)
avatar Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 08:18PM
Just to be clear...

We do not want to force anyone to tell their secret photography techniques if they do not want to!

All we want is for people to contribute what they are happy to contribute, whether it is photos, knowledge or more.

Also, it is perfectly acceptable for someone to question the way we choose photos.

I do not mind that Matteo has asked the question, and it has created a useful debate.

My response to Matteo was that we are not going to change the way we decide which photos to select - and that all we can do now is to help everyone improve their photography skills so that better photos can be chosen for POTD. If Matteo is uncomfortable about helping with this, then no-one here would want to force him to do so.

However, I will say to Matteo that now we have heard your views on the quality of POTD, I do not think you should raise them again! The answer will remain the same.

avatar Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 08:41PM
I can agree with that!

I only raised the question of how someone can criticise something and then not be willing to help improve it because it goes against everything a learning resource such as Mindat stands for. If Matteo wants to keep his photographic secrets to himself, I'm cool with that; I'm guessing most of the best techniques can be found in photographic books anyway. I just don't believe it is right or fair to criticise something if your not willing offer suggestions to correct the issue at hand.

And, I just want to re-iterate that I like the current format/mix of POTD photos and feel it shouldn't be changed, even though I've never had a POTD.... (:P)
avatar Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 09:15PM
My last post (i hope) on this topic:
i agree with most stuff that has been written and i think i made my POV clear - coherent with quite some bunch of regular mindaters. To criticise Matteo for NOT revealing his photographic techniques while he is making a "complaint" about lacking photographic quality is also valid but i respect his attitude as it is part of his living, as a professional photographer. And his criticism is - despite of his unwillingness to share techniques, albeit not the philosophy of most contributors here - really valid from the technical POV. It is a question of the definition of POTD. If we summarize this thread, i get the notion that it is not a Photo of the day but Picture of the Day. This should be kept by all means IMO.

Anyway, i enjoyed this discussion .. always keeping in mind that with a cheap Canon Powershot you may get the one or other Picture OTD B)-


P.S. Volker .. quarries are not destroyed landscape, they are windows to earths history ;) ... i was at the Geopark Westerwald-Lahn-Taunus meeting on tuesday and this is quite an official POV ...

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/09/2011 09:19PM by Roger Lang.
Re: POTD......
June 09, 2011 10:24PM
Speaking of POTD, I was wondering why there wasn't an ongoing thread for the discussion of the individual pictures that caught your attention? An example for me would be that amazing multicolored limonite photo of a few days back. It's just so different from the usual yellow, brown to black earthy limonite. Other photos that caught my eye would be the ones with "impossible" crystal shapes in microcrystals that are never seen with the naked eye. A single thread for such comments and discussion seems a good idea to me. I know the first thing I go to when accessing mindat is seeing the picture of the day regardless of whether it is a location photo or of a mineral.
avatar Re: POTD......
June 10, 2011 04:13PM
James, if you look at the menu under the description of every photo, there is a button named "create talk page". If you click on this you will start a discussion on the talk pages here on the forums.
avatar Re: POTD......
June 10, 2011 07:38PM
Would be nice to have a few comments on the POTD - why it was selected, what feature was attractive to the person(s) who picked it as POTD, to get the discussion started...

Separately, perhaps we should be making much better use of the currently existing Photography forum. Although there are many photo websites/blogs/forums in the wild, most are focused on insects, B/W, landscape, specific brand equipment or general photography, our's is a specialized interest. Here we should be posting pictures for constructive criticism, share pointers for better pictures, and share techniques, equipment - especially bargain equipment, for better images. I would be happy to moderate the forum.
Re: POTD......
June 12, 2011 08:26PM
I was thinking more toward a catch all thread similar to that seen in the scrapbook section such as Gail's Favorite of the Day. I think that would generate more interest if all POTD discussions were in a single thread rather than a single talk page for each single POTD. That would reduce clutter in the talk section which I see more as of a site where people put their minerals/locations up for discussion because they want to know more about them.

I'm not sure where such a general POTD thread should be at: Scrapbook, Mineral Photography, or in the Talk section? Mineral Photography seems a bit too specific as it doesn't account for location photos which can be in POTD or other non mineral subject matter such as museums, maps etc. Putting it in the Talk section could work except that it's already divided into three sections: Locations, minerals and photos. The Photo section there is probably best for that approach. The Scrapbook section is quite active but is there really a need for more catch all threads there? My vote goes to the Photo section of the Talk section to help generate more interest in that part of the forum as it only has 550 posts compared to 3259 at Mineral Photography ;and a whopping 21534 at Scrapbook!

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