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Posted by Paul Hewitt  
rock splitters
October 24, 2006 06:02PM
I am looking for a source to purchase a hydraulic rock splitter. All I can find online so far is mining equipment. I just want a small one to break rocks no larger than 18-24 inches. Does anyone know where I can buy one or am I going to have to have one made?
Re: rock splitters
October 24, 2006 06:25PM
ie    
Before you even start you will need a lot of cash. There are ridiculously expensive.

Barry
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October 24, 2006 06:59PM
us    
Try doing a search for hydraulic rock trimmers. They do tend to be a bit on the pricey side, but they do have to be built pretty sturdily since they are under a great deal of stress (and you don't want to be around if they fail catastrophically). 18-24" rocks are pretty big to break.
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October 24, 2006 07:31PM
us    
I tried a Chinese hydraulic trimmer several years ago and was not happy with it. The price was right as the dealer did not want to cart it home from the show.

The splitter could be screwed down against the piece prior to applying the hydraulic pressure. This was nice as it was faster than pumping it down. There was not enough spport to keep the extended screw / piston assembly rigid. The cutters would break off because of the lateral movement when pressure was applied. The cutters were also hardened completely instead of just the cutting edge. This made the portion retained in the piston assembly too brittle to take much lateral force.

I would not consider getting one of these again. There are a few dealers on the web that offer them.

When stationed in Hawaii, the club there built one using railroad track for the up rights and cross members. It had a 50 ton jack and a 1/2 " plate shield around it. It would handle rocks up to 15". You mihgt find somebody in your area that could fabricate one for you.

Doug
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October 24, 2006 07:45PM
ca    
If you have any welding shops nearby, consider visiting one and discussing a simple design with them. I have one at home that was made at such a shop and it involves a tempered bit [that is fitted into a short tube with two set screws holding it in place] coming off of a solid I-Beam and is sticking down from the top part of a large rectangle of I beams that are thoroughly welded together. The tube with set screws allows that tempered bit to be changed from a chisel shaped one to a pointed one, or a broader chisel shaped one. In this way you have the ability to focus pressure across different size areas of the surface, and in addition gives you the ability to remove it for re sharpening and/or retempering. A 2 ton jack was welded onto the base and has a steel platform that sits on top of it/ This platform has holes on either side through which pass two round steel bars that run from the top of the IBeam rectangle to the bottom, on each side, and they have heavy duty springs underneath,to keep platform from jamming as it is jacked upwards. The maker made a number of different height pieces of smaller i-beam steel that could be put on the platform to put pressure at specific points from beneath the specimen,if you want to exert it in a more concentrated fashion . I arranged a swap of services with the welder for his time and paid for all materials. He got quite excited about the project and being a craftsman, he made sure all welds and materials not only met, but exceeded specs. There are a lot of different splitters out there and it helps to discuss what are the pros and cons of different ones before venturing out to design and make one yourself. I tried to incorporate in mine , various ideas that avoided some of the problems I had heard about from other collectors. I love my heavy duty splitter, and it has its place for occasional large, and/or very hard matrix pieces, but I find that most of my trimming and splitting is still done by my much smaller unit.
Re: rock splitters
October 25, 2006 07:37AM
us    
Hi Paul,

Of all the trimmers that I have used, the Zuber MP5 is by far the best. They can be obtained from several dealers and directly from Zuber. Parts and accessories are readily available as well. I have used five different Zubers over the years and only ever "broke" one; it was in the shop for a few hours to get new seals and is now back in use. The one that I have here at the house is used/abused nearly everyday and it still works fine even though it is now ten years old.

Stay away from the Chinese junk (Wydar and the Zuber clone sold by well known dealer based in Colorado). They may be a bit cheaper but China is a long way to go for parts. I am not personally aware of anyone with a Chinese made trimmer that has not broken, leaked, bent, etc...

You can of course build a trimmer. If you want one that is the same size as a Zuber, expect to pay as much for the materials as the trimmer. As several of the other responders to your question noted, trimmers can be built using a bottle jack. Trimmers made with bottle jack will be significantly higher to account for the jack height.

Regards,

Chris
craig pearson
Re: rock splitters
October 25, 2006 09:18PM
ZUBER

Chris, would you have the contact information for the Zuber rock splitter. E-mail phone number address ect any and all dealers you know of...

Thanks, Craig
Re: rock splitters
October 26, 2006 05:38AM
us    
Paul...I bought a shop bearing press (with a 12 ton hydroulic jack) at a discount automotive shop tool supplier...had the business end of the press shaft drilled and chamfered to fit standard hammer-drill bits, and have been happily splitting large specimens for ~ 10 years....I even ground a file to a sharp edge to fit into the supplied working vise to provide a lower pin-point pressure source....works great and cost less than $100.00....TOTAL!!!.
Re: rock splitters
October 26, 2006 06:46AM
us    
Craig,

You can go directly to Zuber at zubermaschinenbau.de/index.html

David Shannon Minerals was the main dealer here in the US. Since Dave passed away I believe that the trimmers are handled by Michael. You can reach him through their site, shannonsminerals.com. Dave's wife, Colleen, was still running the business and she can probably help you with trimmers as well.

In Europe, Zubers are carried by Mikon.

Regards,

Chris Tucker
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June 17, 2007 07:17PM
Paul,
We have used commercial brick splitters to trim specimens in our business for years. I think the last one we bought was about ten years ago. They are used for commercially breaking bricks and concrete blocks. They come with little flat tables on both sides of the blades that you will need to remove. They cost three or four hundred dollars but we feel are well worth the price because they have a little cogged hand crank device that allows you to quickly adjust the cutting blades up and or down to quickly snug them against the rock in the position where you want to break it. Then it is usually just a few strokes of the hydraulic jack handle to finish the break. If you have a lot of specimens to trim, this feature is very important. Most of the trimming time on rock trimmers is moving the cutter up and down to get it snug against the specimen. If you really need to trim or break specimens that are 18 to 24 inches you are going to need a really large trimmer and you may wish to consider having one constructed that is powered up and down by an electrically driven hydraulic pump. Some rocks break easily, but others like the crossite that is the typical matrix of the benitoite and neptunite from San Benito Co. California can be so tough that even trying to break a 10 inch specimens strains my brick trimmer to the limit. In such cases I sometimes wrap a towel around the specimen before I really pile on the pressure. These specimens often just explode and can throw rocks across the room and bounce them off the wall. I would be afraid to be around a trimmer powerful enough to break a 20 inch piece of crossite when the rock broke. If the trimmer were massively built out of big I beams so there was not much give to the thing, these ‘explosions’ could be reduced a lot I think.
Rock
Grace Lim
Re: rock splitters
June 21, 2008 03:11AM
I have several manual rock trimmers and hydraulic trimmers original by Wydar. Contact me via email if interested.

email: gracelim@naturalwvs.com

Thanks!
Grace
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