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Field CollectingCatskill Collecting
20th Jul 2006 20:04 UTCJeremy Zolan
20th Jul 2006 22:42 UTCkb
The Shawangunk mountains, however, host several lead/zinc mines that were operated for lead in the mid 1800's and lead and zinc in the early 1900's.
I have been to the Wurtsboro/Shawangunk mine several times. There is a lot of vein material (quartz crystals, sphalerite, galena and chalcopyrite in that order of abundance) available on the dumps. I have found some crystals of sphalerite (I think) on quartz.
It is a nice hike (give yourself a couple hours for the hike itself) from Roosa Gap road. Take NY Route 17 to exit 113 (Wurtsboro, Route 209). Take 209 north for 4 miles, watch out for a small yellow firehouse sign on the right side of the road, and take a right on Roosa Gap road. After turning right onto Roosa Gap road, take another right in 50 feet. Follow the road up the hill. About 1.5 miles from Route 209, on a sharp left bend, there will be space to park. The trail intersects the road about 100 feet further up the road. The trail is marked with aqua blazes. It is the only trail in the area.
Hike the SOUTH trail from the road (on the right side of the road). You should first descend into a valley, then start up into the ridge. After a while, hiking along the rocky ridge, the trail will intersect with a wide trail (more like a dirt road). Follow this path (to the RIGHT) down to several dumps and shafts. The upper dumps seem to have more sulfides. Several interesting ore textures (apparently epithermal) are present.
Bring lots of water, and check for ticks. The hike is worth it for the views alone.
Good luck,
kb
26th Jul 2006 20:50 UTCJeff Beckert
"For a nice 4 - 4.5 mile hike along the ridge (south from Roosa Gap Rd., with no loop back) park another car in Wurtsboro. (exit 113, right at light onto Sullivan St., (Hiking Shack on right!) At the end of Sullivan, pass the horse ranch, and where the road veers sharply to the right, there’s a left hand turn - pull in and park at the old VFW hall - the trail comes right through there.) If you choose this path, when you reach the top of the ridge, there’s a large rock with directions - indicating Long Path and Wurtsboro Ridge Trail.
Follow the blue markers along the Wurtsboro Ridge Trail. This takes you down past the VFW hall. Continuing on (across 17M) will take you into the Basha Kill Wetlands. The lead mines are about 2 miles from the start (from Roosa Gap Rd), a couple of hundred feet down the hill. County historians claim that these mines are the oldest in New York State, in and out of operation for about three centuries."
taken from http://www.catskillhikes.com/gunks.html
I'll be travelling up to Hunter Mountain later this August. It seems this location will be on my way up there. Hopefully I'll be able to stop by. Are the specimen nice from the area?
26th Jul 2006 21:23 UTCkb
I would suggest hiking from Roosa Gap road. The scenery is nice.
I was there 3 times in the past two or three years. Having had little access to hydrothermal deposits containing lead/zinc/copper minerals, it was cool for me to go there and crack open rocks to find galena for the first time. Most of the material is white quartz (often with a breccia texture) with sulfides. Little that I have seen is in good crystals, it is mostly massive. But in some small pockets in the quartz, adjoining massive sphalerite, I have seen well- defined black/brown crystals that look like sphalerite. Some of these are "decayed" (chalcopyrite disease?). The sphalerite is the most common sulfide. The upper dumps seem to have more galena. Also present (apparently in support of the epithermal theory of this deposit) are abundant quartz crystals, mostly smallish.
Regarding the mining history, I read in one of the geological studies of this mine that there was evidence that very small scale lead mining was done prior to the mid-1800's lead operations. Apparently, when they reopened it is the early 1900's (for about a year) they used brought the ore down to the base of the ridge with a tram (like a ski lift). Ellenville and a few other locations all belong to this same Shawangunk mountain district.
kb
26th Jul 2006 22:59 UTCIan Merkel
I have collected many times in the Shawangunks as I ived in New Paltz area for 7 years, the entire time collecting as often as I could.
The Wurtsoro mines have provided the above mentioned, although nothing very flashy besides galena cleaves. I have expored numerous workings and tunnels in the area with limited luck. The largest problem with collecting in the Shawangunks in the quartzite is so damn hard, the hardest rock I have ever hit actually. A local historian tells me 5 road operations went out of buiness installing 44/55 through the park, as the rock is so hard (just a side note).
The only locale I will suggest is behind the firehouse in Ellenville. They blasted for the road going aroung Sams point in the 70,s and hit many large quartz vugs. There are multiple very large plates in the natural history museum in Manhattan from this find. There are still some open vugs exposed in the cut and nice exposures of the quartzite. Some decent pyrite also exist in a small vein towards the middle of the cut.
Good luck!
26th Jul 2006 23:57 UTCJeremy Zolan
27th Jul 2006 03:10 UTCmartin
martin
27th Jul 2006 16:34 UTCJeff Beckert
Anyways, as for the Ellenville place. I'll just put it this way; I'll be bringing friends who dont do much crystal hunting. Will They be able to find crystal points easily? Is there really anything left in these open Vugs, or will we be needing to do some breaking? I figure it would be okay if there are boulders in the ground we can work on, but is it safe to work the wall? Is it actaully a wall, or a slope, or what? Just trying to prepare all I can. Thank you!
28th Jul 2006 17:41 UTCIan Merkel
From what I have heard, I agree. the original mining is supposed to have begun with the natives. As far as finding crystals goes, Elllenville and Wurtsboro are not ideal as they have been picked over for many years. There were more workiongs in Wurtsboro with galena, sphalerite and chalcopyrite, which Ellenville lacks (only quartz was found in Ellenville), and the views from Wurtsboro are far supperior. I only found galena in Wurtsboro, but with more time and more eyes more surely exists. In Ellenville there is not much for the picking in reality and the rock is soooo hard. But if you will be in the area, it is worth the stop, and who knows what you may find that I failed to notice.
If you are going to the area and you have any other thoughts, passs them on. I lived there for many years and I have hiked nearly all the trails in the Shawangunks multiple times. The aterfalls are spectacular.
Cheers.
Ian
28th Jul 2006 18:12 UTCkb
Actually, there was a metal mine in Ellenville (lead, with possibly Dutch copper mining ealrier, as chalcopyrite was apparently more abundant there as compared to Wurtsboro) but I haven't been able to find the location. I realize you probably know that and that you were referring to the quartz crystal location.
Much of the sphalerite in Wurtsboro is fine-grained and dark (high iron - and mercury, interestingly) and is hard to tell from galena.
kb
29th Jul 2006 13:00 UTCstonebear
but leave the digging tools out of the equation of that one;)
Ive already asked for permission to dig up their foundation..lol
no luck as of yet:)
happy hunting
Stone
29th Jul 2006 16:13 UTCAlan Plante
Gore Mountain is in the Adirondaks. The Fonda area (Herkimers) is along the Mohawk River Valley. The Catskills are considerably south of both areas - especially Gore Mountain.
(Sorry for the "remedial geography lesson" - but it wouldn't do to have people thinking Gore or Fonda were down in the Catskills. It might misdirect a collector or two... :~} )
Alan
29th Jul 2006 17:04 UTCJeremy Zolan
29th Jul 2006 17:18 UTCAlan Plante
30th Jul 2006 16:47 UTCPhil Walsh
30th Jul 2006 18:28 UTCkb
kb
31st Jul 2006 18:01 UTCmartin
Is Amity in the Catskills? I remember seeing the site in a R+M collecting book.
martin
15th Oct 2006 22:51 UTCAnonymous User
I went to the Adirondaks to the Barton garnet mine a couple of weekends back. You aren't allowed to use any tools at all. Frustrating looking at all the huge garnets and not being able to pry them out. However, using their method of dumping buckets of water on the ground I was able to find some nice specimens. I only took out 1/4 of a pound but in there was 6 or 7 very clear pieces, no cracks or occlusions. As a birthday gift I gave one of them to a friend who is going to see a jeweler about getting it set in a ring. Should be interesting to see what the jeweler says.
Anyways, the point of my post is that the state of NY says it is illegal to take any mineral off of public land. Private land is a different matter if you can get permission. Has anyone ever run into legal problems collecting in NY?
16th Oct 2006 01:22 UTCkb
I guess we need to be vigilant to make sure that laws that restrict mineral collecting don't get (intentionally or not) piggybacked into conservation, etc legislation. Mineral collecting seems to get little respect (and often little awareness) as we all know.
kb
29th Nov 2006 03:13 UTCGreg Black
I live in Elenville, have been collecting crystals for most of my life and know thee are more places the "old timers" tell me about to find crystals. I have found thousands of small points and just last year , on my own property I found around six or seven quarts crystals that are around five lbs each, you can not hold two in your hand at the same time. With these huge crystals I found around 15 smaller ones , maybe you can hold three in one hand,,,,a nice find. These were from excavating an area along side the old D&H canal.
I also think I just found the filled in cave where the mother load can be found. I have found many nice clusters at the ( i think) enterance of the cave that was filled in by the town years ago. Anyone know about this cave? Below Rt 52 on Old Plank Rd in Ellenville. Maybe up from Spring Glen?
Greg
29th Nov 2006 03:56 UTCkb
kb
5th Dec 2006 05:08 UTCstonebear
the Shomgum (Shawangunk) localities have always been a fascination of mine! I have covered many a mile of the hills here in search of old prospects and have turned up many treasures as well
Chiefly the serene beauty the mountains here have to offer
some pretty nice crystal and mineral specimens too;)
I believe I know where you are referring to Gregg if not too far down the plank road to the cave in waterfall locality backtracking along the D&H Canal are many prospectful localities
I do believe though that the main mass of the historical, and once enormous Quartz, Shalerite, Pyrite combo clusters known and seen by me to weigh in Excess of 1100lbs came out of the beginning of the century during Army Engineer projects in the park area at the head of the Smiley Carrageway entrance South of the Sun Ray tunnel/adit.
Still to this day a marvelous seam of Pyrite enriched ore and veins running vertically up the mountain un excess of 15 feet wide is clearly visible on the extremly hazardous and unstable face of the quarry and I strongly do not reccomend anyone try to scale this area to hammer on anything!
The locals wait dilligently year after year to see what the frost heave rewards us with;)
further up the mountain is this very magical place where I can reach deep into natural vuggy hollows and pull out water clear double terminated clusters and solitares, and this I believe sits on a mother load as well;)
Now I see why many a pioneer of the likes of the legendary Tom Quick and Samuel Gunsaulus were so interested in finding the secret "Indian Lead mines" abound of legends of gold and silver here in the unique ores our ridge possesses
With Respect
Tread Lightly
Stonebear
6th Dec 2006 20:29 UTCIan Merkel
Nice to hear! I lived in New Patz area for 7 years, and in kerhonkson I own land and lived there for three years. Unfortunetly I moved 2.5 years ago, but I frequently visit. I would really like to get together with you and see your collection at a minimum. Contact me off-line if you are interested. THis coming summer I will probably plan a trip for herks and lfuorit ein New Hampshire.
Cheers,
Ian Merkel
6th Dec 2006 20:34 UTCIan Merkel
Not off-line, but off mindat, on my e-mail.
Cheers!
2nd Apr 2007 01:40 UTCminerdam
2nd Apr 2007 16:18 UTCIan Merkel
Where are your photos? I would really like to see them.
~Ian Merkel
4th Apr 2007 21:23 UTCRoz
but I need a "refresher" map. If I took 52 to Old Plank Road or somewhere nearby, where could I find some crystals or galena? Any help would be appreciated!
5th Apr 2007 18:30 UTCIan Merkel
Good luck! A lot of maerial has been taken in 40 years. The roads have likely not changed much. There are many workings along Berme Road. I have had some luck (nothing huge) but others (above) have more recently found "huge" crystals.
Post your finds when you return.
:)
Ian Merkel
8th Apr 2007 04:40 UTCAnonymous User
Mark
26th Apr 2007 21:44 UTCRoger Morris
26th Apr 2007 21:59 UTCAnonymous User
If you follow route 55 out of Ellenville and head up over the mountain toward New Paltz/Poughkeepsie, there are many trails easily accessible, not to mention the beautiful views. Also, if you are interested in quartz and pyrite crystals, go to Berme Road Park in Ellenville. It's a very short hike to some interesting specimens. I was just there today as a matter of fact and I will be posting pics of my finds when I return home this weekend. You can email me for more detailed directions.
Mark
6th May 2007 14:05 UTCJeff Wilson
5th Jun 2007 01:18 UTCJeff Wilson
I took 2 other field trips last week. I did the night UV dig at the Franklin, NJ mineral museum. That was a lot of fun and a thoroughly enjoyable experience. I'll be doing that one again in Nov.
I also made a trek to Carbondale, Pa. to the fossil collecting site there. It was open and accessible and was actually a very productive place for fern fossils of several species, calamite fossils which were huge and totally amazing, some quartz crystal and pyrite as well as a few other specimens. I came out of there with the back of my truck full of goodies. The strip mine there is currently being reclaimed and filled in, so that area is out, but the mine spoils are still free for the pickin'.
I also plan on visiting the old iron mine near Andover, NJ in the near future. If anyone has any info or updates on that locale, I'd appreciate hearing about it. Thanks!
Jeff
6th Jun 2007 23:38 UTCAnonymous User
8th Sep 2007 01:44 UTCstony
I was busy working as usual;(
this week I was laid off and went digging for a couple days up on the Shawangunk ridge. found what appeared to be an old pocket that was knapped upon for making scrapers or arrowheads. the quartz there was quite deliberatly worked upon, guess when they call this quite possibly North Americas oldest mine, the authorities just might be right;)
cheers!
Stonebear
22nd Sep 2007 17:44 UTCRobert A Santee
24th Sep 2007 16:50 UTCkb
The Shawangunk zinc deposits are sphalerite, which appears not to be fluorescent (at least here). This is different from the Franklin oxidized minerals (not sure if people are confident yet on one mode of formation of that deposit). The only fluorescents I think I may have found in the Shawangunk deposit is a cerussite or anglesite crust that fluoresced weak orange.
kb
25th Sep 2007 00:43 UTCRobert A Santee
10th Dec 2007 19:00 UTCLarry Jr
How do you get to the Sun Ray Tunnel/Mine ? I know it is in Shawangunk NY. Is it on public land?
Thank You,
Larry
10th Dec 2007 21:52 UTCAnonymous User
I was only traveling through there on my way to one of my clients.
I'm not from that area, but there are some small clusters of quartz just up the hill from Berme Road Park.
Mark
19th Dec 2007 16:12 UTCA.
Does anyone know exactly where the Ellenville/ Shawangunk Mine (entrance allegedly sealed) further up Route 52 on Plank road is? (not the well known one in Wurtsboro over the airport)
or any other mines in the Shawangunks?
20th Dec 2007 01:04 UTCAnonymous User
23rd Dec 2007 20:42 UTCMiner Dan
or www . abandonedmines . net
9th Aug 2008 12:17 UTCtheratbastard
12th Oct 2008 14:00 UTCAndy Givens
9th Jan 2009 03:50 UTCRichard Fava
Now some 20 years have past and slowly I'm collecting again, using only visual cues as to what stone I take home or not. Meaning, its purely art to me. I know nothing of the mineral makeup of each stone. In the past few years, I have collected hundreds of stones and given them all away, but for a few that linger .
Please include me in any rock collecting trips. I would love to accompany anyone, and share with others what I am learning as I collect occasionally.
Using Google Earth (something I am new to), perhaps I can share exactly what I find within 10 miles of my location (Wurtsboro) along the Shawangunk Mountain Ridge. If anyone on this thread needs some hiking to be done, I wouldnt mind being their helper and share exactly what was seen and where. Since I live right smack in the middle of this thread's location, this is a great introduction for local mineral collecting.
Thank you
Richard Morris F
Formerly of Westchester/Putnam County.
Now residing in Wurtsboro on Sullivan Street for the past year.
Oh ! This year I found what may be Honeycomb Coral in Mamakating/ Wurtsboro with an assortment of other large shelled fossils in the same rock.
Richard Morris F.
11th Jan 2009 02:14 UTCstone
12th Jan 2009 01:22 UTCJeffrey D. Wilson
. Has anyone else visited the site? Recently? Is it still accessible to collect from? Is it worth the trip?
5th Mar 2009 03:47 UTCjonm
21st Mar 2009 13:25 UTCSteve Cantiello
Where are you dude?It is spring we need to get together for some collecting.Contact me soon
Your pal Steve C.
22nd Mar 2009 12:17 UTCRobert A Santee
23rd Mar 2009 19:52 UTCIan Merkel
I used to live in Kerhonkson and I have heard tales similar to what you describe. I am friends with an historian of Ulster county who has always been intereted in the old Ellenville mines. I will let you know what he tells me.
I currently live in arizona, but I am coming home to visit Kerhonkson in June, are you interested in meeting up and showing me your finds?
Cheers.
Ian Merkel
29th May 2009 17:53 UTCMontague Quartzman
24th Aug 2009 16:34 UTCTONY FARINHA
anyway i hope you dont mind me contacting you this way
stay cool
tony
you tube - tony farinha
24th Aug 2009 16:35 UTCTONY FARINHA
anyway i hope you dont mind me contacting you this way
stay cool
tony
you tube - tony farinha
13th Nov 2009 18:16 UTCRecently relocated and could use a hand!
16th Nov 2009 05:59 UTCFred A. Schuster
you can email me if interested: Fred: fasteel7@hotmail.com
14th Dec 2009 17:06 UTCDan Lopez
My name is Dan and I run www.abandonedmines.net
In 2008 a group of 6 of us scoured the west mountainside of the shawangunks in search of these mines. We found over 20 of them. From South to north, the mines are as follows:
Guymard Mine
Wallkill Lead Mine
Empire Mine
Washington Mine
2 mines on prison property (state and fed prisons)
Shawangunk Lead Mine (also known as St. Nicholas Zinc, Wurtsboro, and the Mamakating Mine)
Redbridge Mine
Buttermilk falls/Horseshoe Mine
Ellenville Mine
Sunray Tunnel Explorations.
We were able to enter many of these mines, some that have been entered before, some that weren't seen in over a century.
Regards,
Dan
15th Dec 2009 17:20 UTCRobert A Santee
24th Jan 2010 05:19 UTCGreg Black
24th Jan 2010 05:42 UTCGreg Black
I have not been on this site for many years so I am sorry for not responding to all your interest. I will not be going back out hunting for anything till spring time but this is a good time to get to know some of you if you are still interested. This is a passion of mine and I have met some really nice people who have given me clues to help me find some interesting caves. I have been in many caves from Kingston to Wortsboro. I own the hang gliding school in Ellenville,called Mountain Wings Inc and my land starts at the base of the mountain and goes up past rt52 so I get to explore the side of the mountain as well as the river beds which always seem to surprise me with some great finds. This mountain if covered in crystals. Lets get together by e-mail , gblack2@hvc.rr.com or visit my web site at: www.mtnwings.com .Greg
24th Jan 2010 14:20 UTCRobert A Santee
25th Jan 2010 05:05 UTCJamin Neet
8th Mar 2010 01:16 UTCPhil NP
I live in New Paltz and I did a little bit of mineral collecting last year in the Ellenville/Wurtsboro area.
In the quarry behind Berme Road Park I found some pea-sized pyrite crystals after cracking open a few rocks.
There were also some smaller quartz crystals covering the edges of some of the rocks I found on the ground.
At the upper and lower Wurtsboro mines I unearthed some interesting galena and chalcopyrite specimens from the tailing piles.
Hopefully, once the snow melts, I plan to go back again for some more collecting.
Does anyone know of some additional locations that are accessible and worth checking out?
Regards,
Phil
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10th Mar 2010 03:18 UTCPhil NP
Regards,
Phil
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27th Oct 2010 15:45 UTCJames Smith
I am allways looking for mines and caves to explore and don't mind doing a little digging. If you want to organize a group to get into a mine or cave I am game.
Jim
10th Apr 2011 22:40 UTCMatt Clyne
10th Apr 2011 23:48 UTCDavid Bernstein Expert
I am part of Dan's group. You'll have better luck contacting him through ABM if you have not already done so.
23rd Apr 2012 19:58 UTCUC911
23rd Apr 2012 21:47 UTCMad Zach
23rd Apr 2012 22:00 UTCminer dan
-Dan
23rd Apr 2012 23:40 UTCBob Harman
15th Jul 2012 22:40 UTCstone
20th Jul 2012 12:03 UTCstone
20th Jul 2012 16:14 UTCIan Merkel
Not citrine, just quartz with FeOx staining along grain boundaries. Sorry. They are pretty little gems though!
Ian
21st Jul 2012 12:11 UTCAri Rosenbach
24th Jun 2014 21:55 UTChal schupak
24th Jun 2014 23:39 UTCSusan Robinson
The garnets from the Barton mine are huge, but very fractured, and most cut gems from there are very dark, and show very little bright red color. Years ago, areas that were partially taken over with wild plants in the pit had lots of sundew plants on the ground, which I found equally as interesting as the garnets.
25th Nov 2014 02:42 UTCHV Underground
-Dylan
12th May 2015 23:40 UTCCatskills collecting
20th Aug 2015 21:30 UTCTzvi
20th Aug 2015 23:50 UTCGary Moldovany
31st Dec 2015 20:58 UTCRock Dog
Winter is just about to hit us so maybe my collecting efforts are done for the season, maybe not. I'd love to find some more spots in the area.
This string seems to have been dead for a while, but if anyone is interested in headed out to look for some new spots, let us know :)
Steve and P.I.T.
6th Feb 2016 07:16 UTCPlumer174
10th Nov 2016 22:39 UTCKrentzie
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