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Fake Trinitite

JessS
Re: Uhm cat?
May 23, 2012 05:55PM
Seriously- should I consider giving her iodine? Can cats have that? Would it help?
avatar Re: Uhm cat?
May 23, 2012 06:01PM
Seriously- should I consider giving her iodine? Can cats have that? Would it help?


No. Yes. No.
Re: Fake Trinitite
May 23, 2012 07:09PM
    
Jess, all kidding aside, unless your cat has extraordinary dentition I don't think he/she would even try to chew on a trinitite specimen. It is, after fused silica sand and, although somewhat brittle, would not be fun to chew on. I would think an intestinal obstruction from the plastic bag would be the greater danger.....

Don
avatar Re: Fake Trinitite
May 23, 2012 07:25PM
    
Does your scintillation counter respond to your cat? Can you monitor the progress of the trinitrite? Don is right.
JessS
Re: Fake Trinitite
May 23, 2012 07:28PM
Ok. I'm no troll. I'm a RA badged worker in the petroleum industry, I work with RA all day, I really have got a piece of lost trinitite in my apartment somewhere. It measures out around 3 milirem an hour on my detector. I have some certainty the pet cats responsible for the mislocation. She sets off my detector but only barely. Not as much as after I've taken RA medical contrast. So she def didnt ingest the Whole rock of titianite but almost certainly some dust from the bag or something. I'm no medic but is there anything a vet could even do?
Ali
Re: Fake Trinitite
May 23, 2012 07:28PM
Any animal suspected of swallowing a toxic substance should be taken to a veterinary surgeon without delay, not treated with home remedies.
JessS
Re: Fake Trinitite
May 23, 2012 08:34PM
Will do. Very embarrassing, got pet poison control . Set me back 65 dollars and I need to feed her minced pumpkin for a week plus get her a bath.
avatar Re: Fake Trinitite
May 23, 2012 10:08PM
    
Jess,

I wouldn't be too concerned about the cat.

1. The cat most likely would not eat a piece of Trinitite.

2. Even if the cat did eat it, it would pass through in a day and there would not be any induced radiation. If it didn't pass, you would have a constipated cat by now.

3. If the cat ingested some of the dust into its lungs, there isn't much to be done. The cat will most likely be long gone from natural causes before it gets lung cancer.

4. I have handled thousands, yes thousands, of pieces of Trinitite and none have had rad levels greater than 0.5mr/hr and most are far less than that. Since you say that you measured 3mr/hr, I would be suspicious of the origin of the material.

Good luck to the cat and I hope that you find your specimen of what ever it is.

Cheers,
Gene
Jeff A
Re: Fake Trinitite
May 25, 2012 10:12PM
Sorry to resurrect an ancient thread, but others may be interested.

I am definitely not a rock hound, I am more interested in the Manhattan Project and thought some trinitite would be nice to have. I just bought a small piece from Allison at Blanchard Rock Shop in May 2012.
Very happy.
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avatar Re: Fake Trinitite
May 26, 2012 03:32AM
    
Jeff,

If you are interested in the Manhattan Project you might like these books.

The Day the Sun Rose Twice - The story of the Trinitiy Site Nuclear Explosion
Prof. Ferenc Szasz

The Los Alamos Primer - First lectures on How to Build an Atomic Bomb
Robert Serber

Gene
WM Kolb
Re: real Trinitite
September 11, 2012 11:35PM
The very largest piece of real Trinitite I've seen is less than a pound. Anything larger is likely to be desert slag from a rocket motor. Trinitite always has a frothy interior created by gas bubbles. The larger the specimen, the larger the voids are likely to be. A Geiger counter is the quickest way to see if the material is most likely Trinitite. A 2-in. diameter GM tube will read between 200 and 1500 CPM above background for most specimens. Some pieces having what looks like a greyish coat of sand can read upwards of 3000 CPM due to fallout that fused on the top surface. Anything weighing a pound or more should be highly suspect. I'd like to see a picture of the 5 lb lump to see if it passes visual identification.
avatar Re: Fake Trinitite
September 12, 2012 12:31PM
    
Re: Fake Trinitite
September 12, 2012 02:27PM
We recently received at the museum here at White Sands a very tiny piece of light blue Trinitite, maybe 1 cm across, the first of that color found. It was sent to Los Alamos for analysis. It seems like the coloring agent in the piece is calcium. It was found by a child during the October 2011 open house and turned over to a Public Affairs person by his father. I'll try to get a photo of it, pretty unique.

Darren
avatar Re: Fake Trinitite
September 12, 2012 04:44PM
    
Darren,

Thanks for the clarification of the blue color. We have, on occasion, found glassy "robin’s egg blue" streaks in a few of our Trinitite specimens. More commonly, we find red (copper), black (?) and white (probably fused feldspar) as we sort specimens. A solid piece of blue is something that we have not seen in the handling of thousands of specimens. If you could post a picture of the specimen, it would certianly be appreciated.

Gene
sam L
Re: Fake Trinitite
March 20, 2014 09:57PM
Hi, I'm new here and I wanted to ask if there are anyways to buy real trinitite or perhaps "accidentally" acquire some from the site.

-thanks
avatar Re: Fake Trinitite
March 20, 2014 10:34PM
I believe if you read the previous posts in this thread Sam, you'll have a fairly good idea of where to go......
Re: Fake Trinitite
March 21, 2014 01:17AM
I am not really interested in adding trinitite to my collection, but September 12, 2012 post by Darren caught my attention: he states that the light blue trinitite was caused by calcium as "the coloring agent." And Gene apparently didn't have any problem with that. So I wonder, can calcium really act as a blue chromophore, or cause any other color for that matter?
Me
Fake Trinitite
April 16, 2014 05:46AM


These were given to me from a family members fairly extensive rock & mineral collection after they were deceased. These people lived within 100 miles of Trinity Site, White Sands Missile Range. I do not have spectra or measurements with a dosimeter for these. I will never sell them, but I am almost completely certain that these are from Trinity Site, 7/16/45. For your reference.

JG



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TheKnight
Re: real Trinitite
February 28, 2015 06:54PM
Gamma spectroscopy would be the only way to garente its authenticity. If any one lives near or are going through Houston TX and wants to check the authenticity of their Trinitite give me an email and I would be more than happy to test it for you. I do gamma spectroscopy as a hobby and can determine the specific energies and activity of a sample with certainty. If anyone wants their Trinitite tested email me at matthewtheknight@hotmail.com

-Matt

25ucicesiumspecturmpdf.pdf
Re: Fake Trinitite
February 28, 2015 10:11PM
    
Hello JG,

Your trinitite looks identical to the trinitite in our collection which I know is real - self collected by repeatedly tying my shoe!! Radioactivity is slight...

Don S.
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