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Blue rhodochrosite?

Posted by Adam Kelly  
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Steve Hardinger October 24, 2010 11:54PM
Just because I see an elephant and call it a MacroMouse(tm) for marketing purposes does not make it a mouse. The seller in question clearly either (1) has no idea what rhodochrosite is, (2) has dyed the rhodochrosite, or (3) does know what rhodochrosite is but hopes to make a quick buck off someone who doesn't know what rhodochrosite is.
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Jamey Swisher October 25, 2010 03:48AM
Looks like dyed blue agate to me.

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steven garza October 27, 2010 11:21PM
Hi all;

Looks like dyed cave onyx, to me. Did anyone notice that sales of this items can be to anywhere but China & Italy? Could it be that the sales laws are MUCH tougher, in those countries, which is why they can't sell this to them? I vote that they are deliberately scamming; no "accidental mis-ID" for these folks.
Your friend, Steve
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Maggie Wilson October 27, 2010 11:51PM
Steve - could you expand on the topic of the sales laws in China and Italy, please? What are the regulations and how are they enforced?

thanks from a naive listener
Maggie
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Jason Evans October 28, 2010 01:13AM
Remember, were not the eBay police here!
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Noah Horwitz October 28, 2010 03:01AM
Note that the second item's location is given as "N.T, United States" (New Tork? North Takota?), but "It will be shipped from Hong Kong by standard air mail."
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Keith Compton October 28, 2010 10:43AM
Hi

Ignore it and maybe it will go away

Cheers
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John Lichtenberger October 28, 2010 12:08PM
next thing you know, they'll be selling "piratized gold"(sic) maybe from Somalia ...;)

auplater



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/28/2010 12:29PM by John Lichtenberger.
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Simone Citon October 28, 2010 01:55PM
Steven and Maggie, no no, we also welcome the scams to us here in Italy ... Seriously, there are no laws so hard to prohibit to buy one thing rather than another. Perhaps I think the distrust of this dealer one in our postal service, due to previous bad experiences (probably lost in shipping goods to China and Italy). Sure, it has not the right idea of what is a rodochrosite!!! It looks to me more like a banded blue (cuprian) aragonite, from China or Africa. Regards.
Simone Citon



Simone Citon
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Branko Rieck October 28, 2010 02:11PM
Simone,

could it be that the design, beauteous as it might be, was ripped off some Italian company, and they simply do not want to risk repercussions?
China is funny, because they are in China, Hong Kong being part of it last time I checked! :)

Branko

P.S.: I have not had any problems with Italian postal services in 20 years of trading specimens with Italian collectors.
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Simone Citon October 28, 2010 03:19PM
Mmmh, the design is not so exclusive...To me is a "postal" question, perhaps about the customs rules. No problem within the Europe, yes, but from USA can be problematic. An american dealer, or from other countries in the world, can see return back a package sent via insured mail, if not declarated and described as required by the italian customs. However, I am also an ebayer, I'm going to send these questions:
Interesting article, but Rhodochrosite should not be pink or red? Why is it blue? You can send in Italy?
What do you think Branko?
Simone

Simone Citon
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David Von Bargen October 28, 2010 03:25PM
In China, they seem to have a habit of shooting people in the more egregious cases. If they got the wrong person ticked off at them....
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Simone Citon October 28, 2010 05:22PM
This the response from sunsun138:

"Thank for asking the question. Yes, I feel very suprise to know that have a blue colour from my supplier. I bought this special gemstone pendant immediate and want to share with my buyer. Of course, I am willing to send it to Italy. ** Enjoy shopping."

the seller seems in good faith, but I do not have the courage to respond by saying that the terms of manganese do not give blue colours...

Simone

Simone Citon
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Donald Slater October 28, 2010 07:49PM
The second one definitely looks like blue lace agate from Africa. The first might be but is hard to tell, maybe dyed something.
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Simone Citon October 29, 2010 07:14AM
"Man-made" is for the oval or the material? Yes, looks like coloured Chalcedony. The name Blue Rhodochrosite is perhaps only for the analogy with the banded Rhodo from Argentina. Simone

Simone Citon
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Uwe Ludwig February 19, 2012 07:46AM
Amazing, blue coloured rhodos found in Nesquen/Argentinia. The mineralogy is full of astonishments.

Uwe Ludwig
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Don Windeler February 19, 2012 08:16AM
OK, sorry, but I'm confused -- the linked article says, "Interestingly enough, there is another argentinian locality in the Nesquen province, where large blue celestite stalagtites are found, which closely resemble the Capillitas rhodochrosite stalagtites, but are of fine blue colour !"

Was the point that there's a potential for confusion?

D.
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Uwe Ludwig February 19, 2012 11:06AM
Thanks Don, now it is clear and my understandment for the mineralogy is on the right way again. In German we have another word for celestine which of course is often light blue.
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John Stolz February 20, 2012 01:18AM
I don't understand--are you guys sayinghere's no such thing as blue rhodochrosite?
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Rock Currier February 20, 2012 02:00AM
Its amazing what you can do with photoshop!

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
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Don Windeler February 20, 2012 07:40AM
Uwe,

I wasn't actually questioning you so much as trying to figure out the relevance of the previous post, but it's interesting to hear that there's yet a different name for celestine in German.

I've always been a fan of the mineral and can't quite get used to calling it celestine instead of celestite. I'm sure there's a good reason, but it just never made sense to me.

Desmine? No, stilbite.

Calamine? No, smithsonite / hemimorphite / hydrozincite. (OK, maybe that's a good enough explanation on its own.)

Celestine vs. celestite? Let's pick the one that doesn't fit with the "ends in -ite" standard and is also used as an adjective.

Hardly something that keeps me awake at night, but I do wonder / occasionally harrumph.

Cheers (and back to blue carbonates!),
D.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2012 05:23PM by Don Windeler.
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Dave Owen February 24, 2012 01:39AM
What ever is was it's been removed
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Jane Thompson January 22, 2013 04:53PM
Shipping to Italy has been Notoriously Horrible for at least the past 5 or 6 years. Ask any person that deals with the Italian Post Office and anyone living in Italy and they will tell you. Simone Citon mentioned this the very first post they made and people kind of blew off the thought of it being the post office there, but it is true and Simone knows. Many rock collectors and dealers, and turquoise and semi-precious dealers and meteorite dealers and jewelry dealers on ebay or Etsy or of online stores Won't ship to Italy, won't ship to Mexico and won't ship to Thailand or China because things often get lost as in stolen and are never heard from again. Italy is more notorious for the slow post office and the bad way in which items take nearly 4 weeks to get delivered from anyone in the United States. People will ship to Greece, Spain, France, Portugal or Germany or other countries in Europe and even to Turkey and Israel and not worry about it, but Italy has this lazy system of the package goes to this post office and the person pays someone to ship it to another post office and then that person pays for items to go to the next post office so that unless all their dues or payments or handouts are meant the package will just sit in a PO until someone decides to pay the fees to move it onto the next and then finally to get to the person. Many sellers from Thailan also say on their ebay listings, "We don't ship to Thailand or China since buyers often run scams and keep the items and say they were never received and want an insurance claim filed. The pattern of lines and waves in the bands is about as near to any pink Rhodochrosite that I have ever seen. I'm almost 99% sure it's a dyed stone with blue color, unless it was something that was not well covered by the mineral community, since the original question was almost 3 years ago, back in 2010. Often new minerals and rocks come about that we don't hear about unitl it has been bought up by someone and appears at the Denver Mineral show or the Tucson Rock and Mineral show. Think about "Courtland Plume" that was found in the 1990s near the mountains around Bakersfield, California. It has so many beautiful colors from so many different minerals that it was studied and then the name was chosen for it. Most of the most beautiful stones, slabs and cabs are gone now and it's hard to find realy beautiful blues and greens.
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Zorgon June 18, 2013 04:24AM
Honest vendor over at Etsy describes it as;

Stone Name: Blue Rhodochrosite
Original Stone: Banded Calcite
Quantity: 1 piece
Dimension: 41x38x5mm (1.61x1.50x0.20")
Weight: 75.5 carat
Shape: Freeform
Color: Ocean blue
Treatment: Dyed.

Hope that helps

The shipping issue Hong Kong does not ship internally part of the take over rules and shipping to Italy is a royal pain with customs so some just don't want the headache
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Alfredo Petrov June 18, 2013 07:11AM
I agree with Simone that reluctance to send mailorder goods to Italy is due to its postal service. Many internet dealers (outside Europe anyway) have lists of countries they will not send packages to, and Italy, Russia and Argentina are often at the top of the list! It's a pity sad smiley
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Adam Kelly June 21, 2013 05:23AM
Treatment: Dyed.
Dyed rhodochrostite?
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Amanda June 21, 2013 09:18AM
sorry, I can't see any blue rhodocrosite in the link - where am I going wrong?
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