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high price false emeralds

Posted by Yanick Beaudet  
high price false emeralds
July 29, 2012 08:39AM
hi . i was looking for emeralds in ebay when i see a offer with pictures of crystal too much darker to be a columbian emerald like labeled in this auction.i take a look at all the emeralds listed by this seller . i found a well terminated crystal and i realize at this moment than this emerald was in fact a treated hiddenite with a really dark green colour probably from usa and i also recognize a dark green vivianite in the others specimens offered by the same seller and labeled emerald.I check the average price of this mislabeled specimens and all of them was listing between 300$ and 750$.i think for myself than no one will be enough idiot to buy that and i continue my search for real emeralds specimens. one week later, i return to take a look at this false emeralds and realized than they had all disappears. i look for closed auctions and found than they was all been bougth by customers and now this sellers shop was closed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2012 09:40PM by Yanick Beaudet.
Re: high price false emeralds
July 29, 2012 08:56AM
. i dont know who are this customers but i think they will cry when will they receive there order , especially with the high prices listed. Probably than this sellers will do it again with an other name and shop.I hope than at least one this customers will realize than he been scam and do something against this person before he trap someone else . he sold 7 specimen for a total of more than 3500$. if you are interested in buying a large emerald crystal i hope you know how rough emeralds look to avoid this scam. bye



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2012 09:41PM by Yanick Beaudet.
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July 29, 2012 11:42AM
'Fools and their money are soon parted'....

Anyone spending $xxxx on one crystal when they can't tell as much as one crystal form from another needs psychiatric help, a more knowledgeable friend - or both.

P.S. Not sure why anyone would treat a Hiddenite crystal when any old piece of Spodumene would do...
Re: high price false emeralds
August 08, 2012 07:49PM
Here's your first mistake:

"i was looking for emeralds in ebay"

... just sayin'...
Re: high price false emeralds
August 08, 2012 10:24PM
hi, Tim it's probably rigth but a chance i known what im looking for and i found faster the scam.bye
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August 09, 2012 12:05PM
Yanick,
There is really not short cut to finding a bargain emerald specimens. I used to go to Colombia and hang out on the street corner where the emerald dealers hung out and try and buy emerald crystals and specimens at a price where I could bring them back to the United States and make some money on them. There were tons of fakes offered me and some of the ones I thought were real and bought turned out later to be fakes or enhanced or diddled in one way or another. I used to think that I could tell the fake ones from the real ones, but unless you have at your disposal a good binocular microscope and some other equipment and examine each specimen with the presumption that it is a fake you can be fooled. They finally got so they were using sophisticated dental adhesive and baked on coloring agents or would bore holes into the bottom of the crystals that they would fill with green epoxy? that you could not spot without very careful inspection with a microscope. I finally had to admit that the guys who made the fakes were smarter than I and that I could more profitably spend my time other places in the world chasing other kinds of specimens. So I quit going to Colombia for emeralds. You may eventually decide that trying to find bargain emeralds on Ebay or anywhere else will most likely be a waste of time. But there is always a story going around about a guy walking into a yard sale or a swap meet that finds a million dollar rock for ten dollars. Its the same allure as buying a lottery ticket or hitting it big in Vegas and hoping for the big score. Better to spend your time chasing minerals in other more productive ways.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: high price false emeralds
August 10, 2012 04:07AM
a chance im already own a couple good specimen of emerald . small and just a little bit gemmy. probably enough for now. i will wait for gem show to buy a biggest and very clear one than i can see with my own eyes and not just in pictures .bye
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August 10, 2012 10:05AM
Rock, Amen to that.

Yanick, Your eyes - or mine - aren't good enough to trust alone with a big buy made off a street corner or a stall. You *might* get lucky but the odds are heavily stacked that (1) your purchase will not be worth more than you paid for it (do you imagine that dealers are either fools or some sort of charity?) or (2) you have spent 10 - 100 times what the stone is truly worth.

There are only two routes to buy xxxx (+) stones without throwing money away. Appraisal by a qualified person or to have, yourself, a lot of personal knowledge + experience + instruments and the skill to use those instruments effectively. Large green Beryl can be bought at prices that seem a fantastic bargain when compared worth the $5000+ per gram commanded by the best gem quality. But they are not even worth considering if you know how to tell the difference and why one is worth more so much more than the other - and how much more it is worth. Small but interesting pieces of Emerald, i,e 'partly gemmy' - and small flawed cut stones too - can be bought for $xx and a great deal learned from them in addition to the pleasure of looking at them. More is to be learned from examining flawed stones that can be learned from examining the near-perfect.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2012 04:39PM by Owen Lewis (2).
Re: high price false emeralds
August 10, 2012 12:00PM
lm only want a good looking crystal on matrix and i dont really car if it's oiled. the only thing i dont want if paid 300$ for big green spod place in picture to look like a emerald.i can recognize a hiddenite or green tourmaline polish to look like emerald from real one.and i can probably recognized the typical columbian matrix. i dont think i need an appraisal for that.i bought minerals since 30 years now and seen a lot scam .if i dont cared about treatment i think i can found a good looking specimens .bye
Re: high price false emeralds
August 15, 2012 12:16AM
    
this specimen was given too me and is believed from Columbia..s/a.. i seek only possible localities.291 grams
41/2 in X 2in
tu in advance..any and all help appeciated
best wishes
dermot



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/15/2012 12:22AM by Dermot Walsh.
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August 17, 2012 03:32AM
    
Hi Dermot.

Do you have or do you know someone that might have a chelsea filter? This can be used to check for the presence of chromium. Under the filter the chromium bearing emeralds will show red. Emeralds coloured with vanadium (Brazil) or iron (Zambia) will not be red. This is useful in determining location as Columbian emeralds are coloured mostly by chromium. You can also buy chelsea filters for about $30 on ebay but if you won't be using it more than once you might try to borrow one if possible. I'm not sure where you are located but you could also try to take it to a gem clinic at a local gem show if there are ever any in your area, they might have one, or the ROM if you are close, otherwise maybe a local university. Pyrite with emerald is not common, it is likely from Columbia. I suggest you check the gallery here for possible Columbian locations, there won't be that many.

regards,
stephanie smiling smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/17/2012 04:04AM by Stephanie Martin.
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August 17, 2012 10:49AM
The specimen appears to be out of focus so it is hard to see details. I think the odds are good that it is a real emerald specimen, if not a particularly valuable one.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: high price false emeralds
August 17, 2012 04:38PM
Pyrite associated is a pretty good indicator for Colombia, no?
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August 17, 2012 06:27PM
Might we settle for green Beryl rather than Emerald?

Chelsea filter. This was invented in London in those dear dead days, not yet quite passed beyond recall, where it was a gem trade maxim that 'no Chromium==no Emerald'. What a nice simple world that was..... Now that one may (indeed, one should) describe any cuttable and gemmy green Beryl crystal as 'Emerald', relying on the Chelsea filter test is about as safe (less safe actually) as relying on a cheap UV torch to detect a Ruby. Yes. it works (some of the time, under modern trade rules) but one may pass over a whole lot of high value stones if one trusts to it. Many, gemologists, me included, never bother to spend the 30 bucks needed to get one. It's not the money; it's that the test is now as much of a liability as it is a help.

Pyrite + Emerald == Columbia? I don'rt think so for two reasons:
1. Most Emeralds from Colombia are not Pyrite included.
2. Emeralds that are Pyrite included may come also from Kafubu, Zambia (a major source of good Emerald). One needs to examine for as many of the inclusions as one can positively identify before declaring a source.

The Colombian Emerald mine most associated with Pyrite inclusion is Chivor. FWIW, looking at the (bad) photo of the chunk in question I'd hazard a guess of Santa Terezinha as the source locality - but it's no more than a punt.
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Re: high price false emeralds
August 17, 2012 09:36PM
    
thank you all ..i`m rather sure it is from Columbia.. this is the second time, told Chivor as a possible location...thank you for the Santa Terezinha clue..this does seem most likely
regards
dermot
Re: high price false emeralds
August 18, 2012 12:00AM
    
might either of these pics help at all with locality.?..thanks in advance
dermot
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August 18, 2012 01:22AM
Here's a pic of of a Pyrite-included Emerald and also a couple more snaps culled from its large garden of inclusions. I think this one (1.46ct) is from Chivor.

Though by no means a fine specimen, this stone has that 'pizzazz' that warrants the name Emerald (IMHO).






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August 18, 2012 09:10AM
I would rather see pictures of the specimen when it is dry and not wet.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
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August 18, 2012 02:31PM
Drizabone Rocksmiling smiley

No immersion nor even painting with Monobromoethane. This untreated stone was loaned to me for the privilege of examining and photoing it. Consequently it was touched with no more than a microfibre cloth and the proverbial 'camel's hair brush'. Magnification is x10 in the first shot and about x60 in the second two (which are also well cropped).
Re: high price false emeralds
August 18, 2012 06:39PM
    
Owen, Rock was referring to Dermot's pics, not yours.....

Don
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