Mindat Logo
bannerbannerbannerbanner
Welcome!

Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location

Posted by Anonymous User  
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
August 02, 2007 04:10PM
no    
Sure, Craig, but if you know your rockhounding, geology and mineralogy you are less likely to be caught by impossible claims, stuff that clearly are fakes etc.

I havn't traded on ebay yet, but when I start, I will apply these rules:
- Only buy stuff I know something about, and then buy the best
- Demand scales and good pictures
- No claims about spiritual fluff, "very rare, good natural specimen" or stuff like that
- All costs clearly stated or told me by seller in advance
- Seller identity, behind pseudonyme, preferably known
- Check sellers other items - any suspicion on tricks and out he goes



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/02/2007 04:12PM by Karsten Eig.
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
August 02, 2007 05:39PM
I think its time for outing me as an Ebay buyer (and former Ebay seller).
Sure there are some things to be taken into account: Many Ebay sellers are not really experienced in minerals. But that has also chances for buyers.
When I get e.g. 40 items I can really collect 10. 10 are to good to throw away, I donate them to mineral collector friends. The Rest I throw away.

My problem is lack of time, and many of the items I got there I wouldn't get in an either way. All Furkabasistunnel items with Aeschynite, Kainosite, Synchisite are aquired with Ebay. Also my Milarites from Val Giuv. All shown here on mindat. The Synchisite-Killer for 1.99 €. So whats wrong with that?

Those for whom that is too unsafe in a single transaction point of view arent forced working with Ebay.

Cheers Stephan
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
August 11, 2007 06:14PM
Robert :) I always enjoy your posts. They are well thought out (even though you call them ranting) and usually look at every side of the issue. So, thank you :)

Alan, I love you and appreciate you so very much. Thank you :)

Craig--please go take some classes that will teach you respect for others. While everyone is entitled to their opinions, your posts carry not one iota of intelligence but instead it appears you work very hard at putting down others. I only hope that as you mature, you will see the error of your ways.

And....no, I do not sell on Ebay but I have met some amazing and integrity filled vendors there. I do not think it is right to judge the whole by a growing few bad apples.

I do have a metaphysical website and I do list properties. These are because my customers prefer it. However, I invite anyone to visit the site and if I am incorrect in an identification, I would love for you to share that knowledge. I try to stay true not only to my metaphysical clients, but to the geological ones as well :)

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts here. It is the best "university" that I have ever attended :)
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
November 10, 2007 11:22AM
no    
My adventure on ebay ended before it started...I found that bidding there is too time consuming. And part of the fun with minerals is finding them myself, or swapping - one get a much more close relationship to the specimens then, when they all have a story to tell....
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
January 17, 2008 11:25PM
ca    
Karsten

Those are good rules to follow. I have sold a few specimens and bought a few on Ebay and Ebay is not my first choice for either. As a seller,make a point of supplying ample information to the buyer and be honest. So buyers may ask or even demand the exact location that the specimen was found. I have no problem with that as long as the request isn`t a roadmap to the location that you dug out the specimen. Some locations I may not want others finding and cleaning it out. For the most part I will provide the county and township for the person.
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
January 18, 2008 12:37AM
us    
I do not buy minerals on E-bay. In the past I only purchased from known dealers (The Rocksmiths and other reputable dealers). My wife purchased a few specimens from unknown dealers (really just "sellers"), relying on the descriptions provided, and we were both very disappointed with the items when received.
avatar Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
January 18, 2008 09:41AM
Hey,

Just don't buy anything, eBay or otherwise. Who needs STUFF?
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
February 02, 2008 05:41PM
ca    
Justin

When purchasing a specimem on Ebay, or anywhere for that matter,CAUTION and KNOWLEDGE is paramount. Concerning Chinese dealers[sellers] of minerals or anything on Ebay,for my part the operative word is "DON`t". I have reported a few dealers to Ebay on the grounds of fraud and have had some results. Questionable selling practises are not limited to Chinese or Asian sellers however. One so-called emerald dealer in Miami Florida is another example. His Ebay site displayed some very good looking emeralds and at a very cheap price [first clue to stay away], so out of curiosity I purchased some. What I recieved way nothing short of worthless gravel of VERY low grade emerald. But that was expected.

Nothing can replace going into the field and collecting your own specimens whenever possible. Sometimes this cannot be done and you should only purchase from a reputable dealer. Experience and recommendations from others will guide you to them.
avatar Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
February 02, 2008 07:00PM
at    
Allen Steinburg Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> Nothing can replace going into the field and
> collecting your own specimens whenever possible.
> Sometimes this cannot be done and you should only
> purchase from a reputable dealer. Experience and
> recommendations from others will guide you to
> them.

Amen!

I have sold 1000s of micros through Ebay, got not even 1 negativ feedback (which is a real challenge sometimes) and bought not 10 specimen on Ebay. My name was wulfmaniac -think some will remember me. Had several customers who waited eagerly every sunday evening when my regular auctions started (20-30 auctions per week over 6 years).

I quit due to lacking of time and material. But it was interesting to meet so many ppl worldwide and to see the cultural habits. I learned to treat a German different to an US American or a Japanese. Could write a book about it smiling smiley

The reason I didn`t buy much myself was that I`m too specialised. You can`t get easily an Austrian rarity on Ebay.
David H. Garske
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
February 02, 2008 08:16PM
I am one of the dealers who is listing minerals without a given locality! Recently I acquired several hundred specimens from Dr. Sidney Williams which had been in storage for years. Rats had eaten part of the labels others had crumbled, some didn't have all the information, others would only have a partial locality, such as "Hunter Canyon". I listed a few specimens to find that there is a market for specimens without couplete information, so I continue to list them. Should I throw away specimens that have been lab verified, but don't have the locality data? Today I'm listing mendozavilite without locality data, not on the label.
If you are unhappy about lack of data, don't purchase the specimen! I usually include as much data as I can on my label, including variety, associated minerals, locality and prior owner's history.
I also sometimes screw up and lose the original label, or list the wrong locality on my listing, Everyone makes mistakes sometime.
Might mention that over the years I have received a lot of misidentified/mislabeled specimens from various sources, and try hard not to pass on the mistakes when I resell them.
Dave
avatar Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
February 02, 2008 08:32PM
I'm not entirely sure what problem the original poster had, but it's pretty simple - if you don't want to buy something you don't have to!

Jolyon
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
February 03, 2008 03:44AM
ca    
Jolyon is quite correct in what he says. If a person wishes to sell on Ebay and clearly states the problem with labeling as David Garske mentions, then it is up to the buyer to accept the conditions or to decline. No one is twisting the prospective buyers arm.

Enough said.
Möller Sebastian
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
February 21, 2008 07:18PM
Hello,

I sell (privately) and buy minerals on eBay. But I mostly collect local/regional in some German areas like the Black Forest or Kaiserstuhl and I've collected in Saxony. Most of the specimen's localities I know for sure, because I've visited them myself. But I have also some other minerals I've bought years ago at some mineral shows or swapped them with other collectors. When I don't know the locality I write that in the description given. If someone doesn't like to have such a specimen, he doesn't have to buy it!! Ebay is only a auction platform. Decisions have still to be made by the customer.
When I buy specimens, I look for the accurancy of the description. If you're collecting only in distinct regions, this won't be any problem.

Regards,

Sebastian Möller
avatar Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
March 27, 2008 11:53AM
Reading through this thread and the posts by people irritated and outraged at some of the fraudulent, foolish and misinformed descriptions of items for sale on Ebay reminded me a bit of my youth. I took great delight in exposing fraudulent and dishonest behavior. For some years I subscribed to a publication that was run by people centered at the California Institute of Technology. They had a little magazine they put out where they documented the bogus claims, mostly of people claiming paranormal abilities. These include the likes of firewalkers, well witchers and people that claimed to bend spoons with their minds. They had a group of people that would go out and confront these people and prove that they were charlatans. This was their equivalent of field collecting. This went on for years and one day I realized that it would never end because on one hand it was the nature of a small percentage of people to engage in this behavior and on the other hand there were other people who wanted to believe in it. At that point it seamed that life was too short to spend trying to protect others from their natural inclinations. If it gets too blatant, well, that is what we have laws, police, courts and jails for. Young people seem to get more excited about borderline unethical behavior than older people. Is exposing unethical behavior worthwhile? By all means! But each person must decide how much time they have to devote to it. But, it will generally not profit you unless you are a news reporter and get paid for doing it. If you are a whistle blower in a large organization you will generally need to find another job, no matter how justified you are in exposing unethical or unlawful behavior. In some countries, exposing government wrongdoing can get you killed. Most of us, I think all love to see bad guys get their just deserts and this instinct is used to good effect in Hollywood movies, TV programs and crime magazines.

Yes, people want to believe in things not amenable to scientific measurement, like the 'healing powers of crystals’. This is just another examples of what Paul Kurtz would call the transcendental temptation. I run a large wholesale warehouse for minerals and related items and for many years our customers have asked us what powers or energy our various crystals have. I patiently explain to them that I am not aware of any special energy or powers that any of our crystals have. I try to steer them to Mineralogy by John Sinkankas. We also offer a few 'Metaphysical' books. Most of our new age customers know next to nothing about minerals, but they already have their minds made up about the 'power' that crystals have and we sell the metaphysical books several hundred to one over Sinkankas. It is very depressing. The new age component of the mineral is quite large and I wonder what our business would be today without it.
Rock
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
March 27, 2008 04:20PM
at    
Wise words, Rock.
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
April 12, 2008 05:18PM
Sooner or later, with the open source today and onto the Internet -- I think many minerals will not only be sold just by name -- for those who care to put down the region of the mineral is from and maybe the coordinates -- and in today's Google earth environment -- all that can be done -- and this will keep most folks to be honest.

Some of the Brazilians may or may not have enough sophistication to do that -- but I think in the coming years -- much of these problem can be solved -- just the more of the information of the mineral and its location will enrich more collectors .

Ethics, ethics and ethics ------ It is still most troublesome in our business -- and on a daily basis .

no wonder young kids cannot learn .. or had no chance to learn -- :)
Scott Taylor
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
September 01, 2011 03:28PM
Anybody can make a label, does that make something more genuine or authentic? I've bought minerals direct at dig sites and mines and they didn't come with a label. I bet most individual mineral specimens aren't labeled until they pass through a few hands. All a label really tells you is at some point in time somebody made one.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/01/2011 04:53PM by Uwe Kolitsch.
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
September 12, 2011 11:25AM
Agree wirh Mira Bai,
Under so strict rules of ebay buyer protection , how can a buyer is not fully satisfied , I am also a seller , do my best to discribe the items in pics , never use adobe for photo retouch , so that it looks very close to the reality , its dimension , weight etc , and further buyer can rufund also !!!!
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
December 11, 2011 06:35PM
I agree that a label is not a certainty except the certainty of being a label. I have purchased many specimens with dubious labels. Its all part of the education and fun to use the resources of the internet like Mindat, to try and identify species and locations of misslabeled specimens. Real detective work.
Just started buying minerals on ebay a little while back and have had fun doing so. You win some and lose some with what you get but ultimately you put your self in for it like you would in any other buying situation if you don't ask enough questions.
Maybe one day a small pocket device will be invented like startrecks triquarter that can analize a specimens makeup precisely, and give its location. Untill then I shall use the knowledge and photos at hand and incresingly develope intuition, if thats not a new agey thing to say. By the way I thought all matter and energy vibrates to some frequency or other including the human. People have varying degrees of sensitivity in feeling the many different things one might choose to observe. I have experimented many times by laying out several hundred finger sized quartz crystals all pointing the same direction on the floor of a room and iviting different people into the room. So far most of them have comented after a short while that they felt a headache and a strongly anxious feeling while in the room that stopped after leaving the room. Curious stuff.
Its great to learn from so many different oppinions and experiences on this site.
Cheers!
Re: Ebay sellers listing minerals without mine or location
December 11, 2011 10:18PM
Except for those self collected, accepting the details of any specimen seems to be a leap of faith. Obviously the closer to the source, the closer to the truth. The web, being what it is, does not instill much trust in me. There are many ethical folks who love sharing, but once the profit motive was introduced all information found on-line needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Like any other collectable, buy a mineral specimen for one reason, because you love it. Look at it. Like it? Buy it. Not very scientific but hey, just the opinion of an artist. The label issue seems simple. What you see is what you get. Believe it or do not. Good luck to all.
Author:

Your Email:


Subject:


Attachments:
  • Valid attachments: jpg, gif, png, pdf
  • No file can be larger than 1000 KB
  • 3 more file(s) can be attached to this message

Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically. If the code is hard to read, then just try to guess it right. If you enter the wrong code, a new image is created and you get another chance to enter it right.
CAPTCHA
Message:

Mineral and/or Locality  
Search Google  
Copyright © Jolyon Ralph and Ida Chau 1993-2014. Site Map. Locality, mineral & photograph data are the copyright of the individuals who submitted them. Site hosted & developed by Jolyon Ralph. Mindat.org is an online information resource dedicated to providing free mineralogical information to all. Mindat relies on the contributions of thousands of members and supporters. Mindat does not offer minerals for sale. If you would like to add information to improve the quality of our database, then click here to register.
Current server date and time: July 24, 2014 08:29:40
Mineral and Locality Search
Mineral:
and/or Locality:
Options
Fade toolbar when not in focusFix toolbar to bottom of page
Hide Social Media Links
Slideshow frame delay seconds