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Posted by Harold Moritz (2)  
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July 15, 2011 03:16PM
As yet, I don't find the toolbar useful, but I am willing to take Jolyon's word that it will add many new functions.
I don't get involved with Face Book. Twitter, etc., but I do not have to click the buttons and perhaps there will be a way to customize the bar and remove them.
A couple of days ago, the mindat site was slower that the growth of grass. Today it is fine.
Already, I do not even notice the presence of the bar. I use a desktop computer.
Re: Mindat toolbar
July 15, 2011 04:43PM
I have also noticed that Mindat is extremely slow since the toolbar has been added. Especially when I am looking at the daily photos. Is this something that is going to be fixed? I think the answer may determine how often I use Mindat. I enjoy Mindat and use it constantly during the day. It would be a shame to have to cut back my usage just because a new application has made it inconveniant for me to view the other applications that I use so frequently.
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 15, 2011 11:51PM
The performance problems we have had are nothing to do with the toolbar.
Re: Mindat toolbar
July 16, 2011 04:24AM
I noticed the performance problem months ago. Since adding the toolbar it is even slower. I find myself avoiding Mindat lately because its actually faster to get the info from my mineral library! Others Ive spoken with are doing likewise. Is this really benefiting the realm of mineral knowledge?
Discoveries are being made that may not be posted here if it takes so long to upload info...sort of contradicts the purpose of the site.

The toolbar is a redundant annoyance...continually.
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July 16, 2011 11:36AM
Another layer of madness with this thing. From my IPad, the task bar "X" sits right over a link to the Mindat directory. So when I close out the task bar, I get directed to the directory. I then have to hit the back button and navigate away from the homepage. One good thing, I find myself gripping my iPad tighter while browsing, due to anger and resentment, that my wrists are getting an excellent workout.
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 16, 2011 12:53PM
The problem with the toolbar on iPad and iPhone is due to a bug in Safari on these browsers not correctly rendering the 'Position: Fixed' property.

I am told this will be fixed in the forthcoming IOS version 5 - which is due for release soon.

Jolyon
Re: Mindat toolbar
July 17, 2011 12:51AM
us    
Branko said:
"The content I dislike are the so-called “social networks”. Maybe I am too old for this kind of crap, but I consider them to be data collection endpoints where unsuspecting people are seduced to enter personal data which in turn is exploited by some mega-companies for monetary gain. "

I agree with Branko - I'm too old for this kind of crap. I have never and will never use Facebook or any of the other "anti-social" sites. Screen real estate, bandwidth, and time are too precious to have to deal with this kind of stuff. Why do you think I use the DVR for almost every TV program? So I can skip thru all the #$^*)^ commercials.

Easy Goin'
USA
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 18, 2011 11:13PM
de    
Hi,
I followed this thread because I'm neither especially fond of the toolbar. I first found it annoying due to its simple presence and the impossibility of deactivation. In the meantime I don't notice the toolbar anymore. It's just 1 cm less mindat on my monitor.
I don't quite understand the reason of connecting the toolbar with social networks but that shall not be purpose of my post.
It may be of browser nature (in my case Mozilla Firefox v 3.6) but I find it really annoying when looking for a locality and if there are multiple choices I use the strg+f function. Firefox highlights the text parts I type into the find field in green color at the bottom of the page. And due to the existence of the toolbar I cannot see what I am looking for. So I have to close the toolbar every time.

Regards
Philip
Re: Mindat toolbar
July 19, 2011 09:40AM
at    
I use Firefox 3.6.12 and the toolbar makes space for the search window so there is no problem anymore (I should upgrade to version 4 or 5 anyway).
Re: Mindat toolbar
July 19, 2011 09:47PM
Lose the tool bar. It's annoying. Just add a new tool bar on the top of the page that reads "Social Media". I'm interested in minerals not the latest software.
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 20, 2011 11:20PM
The reason for connecting to the social networks I would have thought was obvious - to increase the visibility of mindat.org and to encourage new people to discover the site.

If you don't use such services then of course you will find these features unnecessary (and I promise I WILL provide a way to permanently turn them off), but just because they are not useful for you does not mean they are not useful for mindat.

I am experimenting with some other ideas to make the toolbar less annoying for some of you.

One option is to fade the toolbar out, so it is translucent and not so distracting unless you move your mouse over it. This will not be the default behaviour, because it is not compatible with touch devices such as the iPad (and yes, David, I am very keen to make sure it works well with the iPad!) - This will also solve the problem where a text search identifies an item that is hidden below the toolbar.

Another option is to pin the toolbar to the bottom of the page rather than the bottom of the screen, so it will just act like a standard page footer and never overlay anything. Again, this will be an option, and will be permanent once you have set it.

There will also be an option (as mentioned above) to enable/disable certain items, such as the social media options and the minfind link.

There are some new tools coming soon to the toolbar. The most exciting will be the lightbox.

With the lightbox, when you are viewing a photo, you have the option to add it to your lightbox. This is a panel that allows you to store and compare photographs. You can reorder them, comment on them, create an article about them, or a slideshow presentation which can be stored in your profile in a similar way to an article. actually - as you've already seen, a slideshow and article can be the same thing.

This will be improved in the future so you can add text slides to slideshows, and play it in a presentation format (so you can move from one slide to another with a button press). Then you'll be able to build an article in mindat that can also be viewed as a slideshow presentation, complete with text, if you want to!

Perhaps at the next mindat conference, all presentations will be created and presented on mindat.org using this system. This has the great advantage that you can be able to view the presentations even if you're not at the conference!
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 21, 2011 12:10AM
I like the lightbox idea!! :)
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 21, 2011 04:07AM
us    
I can live with "pin the toolbar to the bottom of the page". When will this option be available?
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July 21, 2011 07:30AM
at    
Jolyon,

Thank you very much! This is really good news!

With all my rants against Facebook and others one thing may have gone unnoticed: I don’t think these items should go! Even if it is only for SEO, the times we are living in makes it necessary to have them. What I do hope however is that there is a way to disable the network traffic to these sites.

It is some kind of (good!) compromise between the necessities of Mindat and the privacy concerns of many users to include logic like that:

If the user has not disabled the social network connections (default behavior):
Load the plugins (FB “Like it”, Google Plusone,…) from the respective site and enable reoccurring traffic to these sites.

If the user has disabled it:
Load static resources (images, static links) from the Mindat site and disable reoccurring traffic.

The screen real estate should not be a concern for anyone because if you look at it without emotions it is actually really tiny (350 x 30 pixels) compared to the rest of the screen, even on a netbook like the one I am writing this from. If carefully placed it will never be in the way (and we cannot hold Jolyon responsible if it is in the way because of a bug in the respective implementation of certain browsers).

What all users should be aware of is the fact that these much criticized items generate income in the long run for Mindat and/or Jolyon (e.g.: Minfind.com) which in turn helps to keep our most favorite mineralogical site alive. For this reason alone we should be glad that they are there.

The idea to fade the toolbar out if not in use is pure genius and will make the experience painless for all.
Pinning it to the bottom of a page makes no sense to me (others might disagree here), but if it is an option, so be it.
I still believe that the best solution would be to merge the menu bar at the top (which really takes a lot of screen estate for what it does) and the toolbar at the bottom to a single “Command Center” that is pinned to the top of the page (and possibly with an option to pin it to the bottom).

I am looking forward to seeing the new functionality in action like the lightbox, which sounds exciting.

Thanks again, Jolyon, and please forgive me if I’ve come across to strong in my criticism.

Branko
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 21, 2011 08:19AM
gb    
Lightbox idea sounds excellent!
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 21, 2011 09:23AM
"With all my rants against Facebook and others one thing may have gone unnoticed: I don’t think these items should go! "

It went unnoticed to me (and a few more other people I talked to at the Mindat conference) when you were talking about them as 'crap'... :)
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 21, 2011 01:26PM
**Another option is to pin the toolbar to the bottom of the page rather than the bottom of the screen, so it will just act like a standard page footer and never overlay anything. Again, this will be an option, and will be permanent once you have set it. **


Fine by me. Again, my complaints have involved aesthetic and navigational issues and what you write seems to address them. So many thanks. Seems to be a better solution then waiting for the IOS 5 or whatever it is called which will not be released till fall.
Re: Mindat toolbar
July 21, 2011 05:20PM
ca    
In Safari on the iPhone (and iPad, I guess) the toolbar doesn't stay put at the bottom, which is hugely annoying (along with other minor compatibility issues with the site). Otherwise (when using my proper computer), I have no issue with it. In it's current state (and mine, I suppose) I don't have much use for it, but it certainly doesn't bother me.

What is Google +1?
avatar Re: Mindat toolbar
July 22, 2011 04:08AM
us    
Michael

Google+1 is their version of Facebook and is currently still in beta.
Jim Hall
Re: Mindat toolbar
July 28, 2011 12:49PM
I believe what is seen on an android tablet is similar. The toolbar is part of the way up the page, and as you enlarge the page, the toolbar gets bigger and moves more towards the center, obscuring any photos you are looking at. More than just annoying. On my regular windows computer I am fine with it as it stays on the bottom as it should.

Jolyon Ralph Wrote:
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> The problem with the toolbar on iPad and iPhone is
> due to a bug in Safari on these browsers not
> correctly rendering the 'Position: Fixed'
> property.
>
> I am told this will be fixed in the forthcoming
> IOS version 5 - which is due for release soon.
>
> Jolyon
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