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Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?

Posted by Roger Lang  
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November 11, 2011 07:41PM
    
edited crosspost from facebook:

hmmm ... this is strange, just got a mail from a mineral friend who sent me the first circular for the next Ste Marie show IN Ste Marie, not Colmar. Does anybody know what is happening there?
[www.euromineral.fr] (the Colmar/Schwab announcement)

and

[www.sainte-marie-mineral.com] (Ste Marie announcement)

.. see the latter ......
questions, questions....

cheers
Roger
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November 11, 2011 07:49PM
Two rival shows.

It will be interesting to see which gets the top dealers.



Jolyon
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November 11, 2011 07:54PM
    
personally, i am not inclined to go to Colmar winking smiley ... Ste Marie is unique
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November 11, 2011 07:57PM
I am rather pleased they've started their own show. A smaller, less intense, show in the same place will be a lot more interesting.
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November 11, 2011 08:21PM
    
fullack Jolyon
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 11, 2011 09:30PM
I thought that there were rumours about moving the Sainte Marie show to Colmar due to space constraints etc. for some time.
The info page of Euromineral mentions 1000 dealers in 480 tents to be expected, that is about as much as Sainte Marie (old version):

Euro Mineral - Euro Gem,
in Colmar as of 2012…

a welcoming business center with a place for everyone.

480 Tents across 20,000m² in open air and 14,000m² indoors, spread among 5 halls
With 1,000 exhibitors and 40,000 visitors expected


So I guess the same show, a few kilometers to the south.
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November 11, 2011 09:33PM
    
Oooh, imagine a tailgater show here in Europa, for all the tailgaters! We got all our local shows, with cheap table fares, but they are all local. An international low budget, swap and deal show would be quite atractive - in my eyes (:P)
And what a party it would be too! smileys with beer
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November 11, 2011 09:35PM
    
I will exhibit in Ste. Marie in 2012 again, because of the atmosphere and the chaos. Two different shows, same date, french Tuscon? I think this will never work!

Steffen
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 12, 2011 06:00AM
My opinion: The exhibition of minerals and fossils must remain in the context of Ste Marie aux Mines :)(historical mining town) to Colmar => jewelry and pseudo-mineralogy ( lithotherapy and other !...)>:D<

Mon avis : L'exposition de minéraux et fossiles doit rester dans le contexte de Ste Marie aux Mines :)( cité minière historique ) Pour Colmar => bijouterie et pseudo minéralogie ( lithothérapie et autres !...)>:D<
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 12, 2011 07:58AM
    
I noticed on the Ste Marie website (still under construction) there is no date for the Ste Marie Mineral Show yet........
So it's early to conclude: Two different shows, same date, French Tucson?
Let's wait a bit and see how things will work out.
I for one will always be a Ste Marie fan, I visited the show for the past 15 years and every time it was a unique happening!
I surely hope it will take place again ( and again, and again) in Ste Marie, smaller, yes, because it was becoming too big, too chaotic, too much jewellery and rubbish, but smaller could definitely be better.

Pierre
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November 12, 2011 09:05AM
    
Pierre,
i got the first circular mailing for exhibitors from Ste. Marie from a friend as a pdf, there the date is specified. The website is as you said still under construction.

>> I for one will always be a Ste Marie fan, I visited the show for the past 15 years and every time it was a unique happening!

Yes, that exactly hits the nail! And Jean-Marie: you couldn´t have it said better!

Cheers
Roger
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November 12, 2011 10:27AM
As far as I know it is not the same people organizing both shows. The point is that corridor rumors refer that it was moved to Colmar because the show grew up too much and some safety issues came up. I hope that the ones who organize the next show in Ste Marie have taken this into account and solved it. However, I wouldn't ignore the Colmar show. After all, I guess that many dealers will have the dilemma on where to go, as well.
Perhaps the best thing for visitors would be to stay longer and to split the stay in two, visiting both shows. Or at least, that's what I have in mind :)
Chris
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 12, 2011 10:59AM
Well it seems that there is some serious rivallery between two show promotors. I have spoken to some very agitated dealers in Munich last time and from hearsay i can tell that mr. Schwab is making effords to take the show from st. Marie in order to facilitate some 350 or more dealers. As every st.Marie visitor knows this is a bit of af a problem in the small town. But it brings also the charm of the show wich many visitors, including me, like so much. So mr. Schwab ha decided that he will take all his dealers (as he sees it) to a place with room for more. Many dealers will follow silently but others have maked it clear that they will stay in st. marie as they feel it belongs there. The problem is that mr. Schwab will take those dealers from his list with the risk of not being invited for the next show. On the other hand, St. marie will proceed with the the mineral show with a new promotor to make sure that the show will go on as ususal. After all, the show means some logistic trouble but is is also al large income for the surrounding area. As Joylon says, it wil be intersting to see who will follow and who will stay in st. Marie. To me it seems that mr. Schwab is playing a risky game of all or nothing in order to make his show as big and as profitable as possible. That is the reason why there were no showposters of st. marie to be fond in Munich. Mr. Schwab has removed them personally in order to make everybody believe that there will be no more st. Marie show. I guess the future will tell, and as many people above has mentioned, I will be visiting St. marie again as i have for the last 10 years. And if all the beats, neacklaces, en fellgood stones move to Colmar. There wil be some more room for the real minerals everbody on mindat enjoys so much. We will see what happens.

Peter
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November 12, 2011 11:00AM
    
Hi,
For me Sainte Marie is world best show, no doubts. I have also very big respect for Michel Schwab who has organized that for many, many years and made it so good. Michel was forced to move the show (the plan was to move it in 2 years), and now he will make it in Colmar. Show in Sainte Marie will be organized by people who have no idea about minerals, shows etc. Just the local politicians.
In my opinion Colmar is much more beautiful town than Sainte Marie. Only shame is that show can not be organized in the old part of Colmar...
Concluding, we trust Michel and try to be loyal for so many years of great cooperation, kindness etc we will exhibit in Colmar. What more we will put a lot of effort to promote that show in our "media". I am also sure that all good minerals will go there, all more important dealers. This will effect that visitors will spend time there and maybe go to Sainte Marie for short trip to see second show as a "curiosity". So, for commercial point of view I am sure that Colmar will be much better.
Of course we feel nostalgia to SMAM but we also organize big shows (not as big of course) in Poland and we know that some things are impossible. For me this is the end of "old show" and beginning of new one. We should give to this new one chance trusting Michel who made old SMAM so well for so many years.
BTW a lot of hotels in Colmar are already fully booked what means that most of people will go there.
So, see you in Colmar!

Tomek and Spirifer Team

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"Spirifer" Geological Society
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November 12, 2011 11:21AM
    
Peter,
I do not think that Michel is so greedy that he is playing "to be or not to be" of the show.... I'll give you an example - this year he invited on his cost 10 kids from Poland from our Spirifer group! This is first show promotor who proposed us something like that. This is one of many reasons why I respect Michel and do not trust people who say that this is just another greedy show promotor...
Tomek

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"Spirifer" Geological Society
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 12, 2011 01:54PM
Hi to all

For peoples with a lot of time, a splitted show is no problem, especially if SMM lacks space. SMM show is an important show that is always fixed in my agenda well in advance, a show with a lot of charm for the visitors, at a short driving time for many. However, the end of june is often a very buzzy time for me, and I always combine SMM with other activities, using one full day there. Probably many visitors share my situation. Trying to enjoy charm and being efficient

Diluting the event on several places is the worst case scenario, especially if mineral dealers are splited on several places. Waiting a long time before making the situation clear is also very bad. The separation between top dealers and unknown dealers should not be made, since there are exellent minerals to be found from both kind of dealers. But, like in Munchen, a separation between minerals and esoteric stuff/jewelry can be done since the public is not the same, that would not hurt the show at all.

Trying to imitate Munich will not work (huge show, big town, the state of the art communication and accomodation system of Munich does not exist in Alsace)
Trying to imitate Tucson will not work either (only retired or full time collectors/curators, and full time mineral dealers will be able to attend on a regularly basis because it will become too time consuming)

I am sure both organisators have good reasons to justify both choices! The essential is to make things clear, and quickly!

Val
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November 12, 2011 04:52PM
Tomek,
It is, and was, not my intention to blame anyone of anything. It was just what i received and thought it might be interesting to this story. I too have much respect for mr. Schwab trough the fact that he has for many years organised the st. Marie show that i enjoyed so much. And as you put it, he seems to be a very nice person. Sorry if anyone feels upset by my post. I just feel that there are many people around who fear that the St. Marie atmosphere will be lost. That includes me.

Peter
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November 12, 2011 09:13PM
    
Peter,
yes, that is what i think too. I in no way ever want to "blame" anybody for the upcoming situation, i heard some stuff from behind the scenes and there have been quite some problems of course.. This was related to the steadily growing number of dealers etc at Ste marie. IMO the capacity for Ste Marie was off limits and overstuffed at last. But my POV is that the "flair" of Ste Marie is unique. I do not need another big show like Munich and that is what Colmar seems to evolve to. I spent my yearly mineral "holiday" in Ste Marie and for the other things, i have Munich as an international show. It is about the special atmosphere there - nothing else. For the "big" dealers Colmar may be better as Michel Schwab is very experienced and knows how to set up a show like that but i see this from the a buyer/collector view. And for me there is no room for a Ste Marie surrogate. Maybe i will have a look at both, but i will definitely be visiting the "new" Ste marie attempt.

Cheers
Roger
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November 13, 2011 09:36AM
    
I am now in Barcelona show now, and it seems that majority of dealers (like Luis Burillo, Pyritas Navajun, Jose Ramon Garcia etc) they will be in Colmar. I also talked with several other dealers and they all go to Colmar.
Tomek

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"Spirifer" Geological Society
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November 13, 2011 05:31PM
    
Sitting on the stairs in front of the theatre and watching the mineral-"hustle and bustle" - priceless!
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