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Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?

Posted by Roger Lang  
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 22, 2011 09:13PM
Udo, you are a genius!
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 23, 2011 10:46AM
Well, that's just bloody typical, after 48 years of St Marie, the first year I am committed to going, it all falls apart!

Would you like to tell me the St Marie dates Roger?

Are you definitely going to be there?

And any accommodation recommendations?

And will you buy me a beer? ;))

avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 23, 2011 10:57AM
St Marie dates are the same like Colmar.
Great that you are comming, hope to see you in Mindat Party in Colmar!
Sainte Marie for hotels in nightmare, I always slept 1 hour drive from there....

"Spirifer" Geological Society
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 23, 2011 11:21AM
Hi Tomek

Hmmm, Mindat Party eh? Sounds good to me!

I just bought a Sperrylite specimen from you, so I reckon you owe me a beer as well! smileys with beer

avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 23, 2011 11:52AM
we give beer to all friends and mindaters - even if they didn't bought a speryllite smiling smiley
We also serve vodka and other delicious drinks smiling smiley
In fact according to Alfredo we should call beer and vodka a variety of water... Why? According to IMA if element have less then 50% than you can not talk about other mineral. So according to this idea only drin with alcohol content over 50% is an alcohol (or variety of alcohol), everything below is just variety of water.
Concluding we serve all kinds of varieties of water (beside of pure water) and some alcohol too smiling smiley


"Spirifer" Geological Society
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 23, 2011 01:57PM

That is a genius piece of thinking by Alfredo. But if everyone gets free drinks, I reckon my Sperrylite purchase must entitle me to a whole bottle of Polish 'water' (:P)

avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 23, 2011 02:31PM
Maybe even two?

"Spirifer" Geological Society
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 24, 2011 09:18AM
Hello everybody,

I saw all your post and I want to give you more details about the situation.

In order to verify the viability of EURO MINERAL & EURO GEM, we undertook two studies in 2010: the first regarding regulatory and administrative aspects and the second regarding safety and security. The verdict is clear; with 25 critical or outright insurmountable obstacles
I would like to ask you : If an event of this scale took place in your country would it be authorized in condtions like in SMAM?

Following our announcement, during the 48th edition in June 2011, of our planned move to Colmar in 2014, the Municipality of Sainte-Marie aux Mines requested major changes to our partnership agreement, most notably with respect to the use of public spaces.
We took into consideration the requests made by the Municipality and analyzed their impact, which called into question the very foundation of the long-running agreement, making it impossible to move forward.
After more than two months of negotiations in these conditions, it became clear that we could not be certain of a successful 2012 season at Sainte-Marie aux Mines. So we decided to move to Colmar in 2012.
It was with heavy hearts that we were compelled to make this decision. We understand your tearing and yours regrets to leave SMAM but we don’t have another choice.

The context made that we had to decide us quickly in order to insure the good progress of the 2012 show.

Today we are completely working for the success of Colmar 2012. We sent the registration forms two days ago and we worked a lot on the plans and on all the communication supports.
Keeping the same atmosphere as in SMAM is one of our priority. Villages of tents will be implanted on 20 000m ² and we will find the right balance between inside and outside spaces.

Moreover, we don’t go to Colmar in order to have more exhibitors but there, we will be able to satisfy the numerous requests of enlargement of stand. So, the exhibition grounds of Colmar allows us to put ourselves in agreement with the law but it also offer more facilities to our exhibitors, customers and visitors (access, logistic zones…)

Let us build the mineral show of a stable future in COLMAR.
Since many years, our company is in the same sector as yours. Between fascinated professionals, our interests can only be common.

We thank you for your continued loyalty, and we invite you to join us in with complete confidence at COLMAR… en route to a new success!

If you would more information about the reason for our move in 2012, please visit our website: euromineral websiteor contact us directly under


Michel Schwab
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 24, 2011 10:09AM
Thank you for explaning this Michel.

avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 27, 2011 06:22AM
St Marie or Colmar for me are the same: I not come in either :D

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Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
November 27, 2011 11:15AM
I am a former Ste Marie aux Mines (1976) and I will remain faithful to this great show of respect for Mr François Lehmann I liked a lot. The weather changes things but I also unforgettable memories of these 35 years to attend the scholarship I've seen evolve over time. I can with the back of his hand wipe out a past rich in images, related friendships, memories. Maybe I would go to Colmar on Sunday? , But Ste Marie "historic mining town" Iron my thoughts and all my joy to find this cozy little valley like every year.
cordially to all.
Enclosed Poster exhibition of Ste Marie aux Mines (organized by the municipality)

Je suis un ancien de Ste marie aux mines (1976) et je resterai fidèle à cette grande exposition par respect pour Mr François Lehmann que j’appréciais beaucoup. Les temps changes les choses aussi mais j’ai d inoubliables souvenirs de ces 35 années à fréquenter cette bourse que j’ai vu évoluer au fil du temps. Je ne peux d’un revers de main passer l’éponge sur un passé aussi riche en images , en amitiés liées , en souvenirs. Peut être irais je à Colmar le dimanche ? , mais c’est à Ste Marie « cité minière historique » qu’irons mes toutes mes pensées et la joie de retrouver cette petite vallée accueillante comme chaque année.
Ci joint l'affiche de l'exposition de Ste Marie aux Mines (organisée par la municipalité)
Cordialement à tous.
open | download - affiche bourse Ste Marie 2012.jpg (170.8 KB)
Uns Uwe
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
December 01, 2011 08:08PM
Our faforit is SMAM,alll my friends goes to SMAM and not to Colmar. Collmar is a 2.Munich. We don´t need a second lokation. We stand in SMAM- without Schwab!!!
Murphy Wang
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 !!!
December 04, 2011 11:36AM
DEARST Friends,

Info to shre:
I have been to Hamburg Show this weekend. The major of Sainte Marie and his team was there too. They visit received a big welcome from the dealers!!! A big number of dealers immidiately registerd their old places or tents with the major!!! They did want to wait till Feb, which is usually the registration dealline, in oder to demonstrate their support to the city of Sainte Marie!!!

Me, Iove Sainte Marie, a place of tradition and culture for mining and heart for the dealers and visitors.
A commercial hall somewhere else is just another faceless commercial only show.

The city of Sainte Marie will give its very best to keep the show in a good size and not over growing, they will provide services to the dealers and visitors that they always love to come back.

I have very good information source and will share it with every one soon!!!

Murphy - heart beading for a town which is called Sainte Marie !!!
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
December 04, 2011 02:43PM
We will be at the shows and are looking very forward to it! I guess I have a different outsider's viewpoint. Two shows same weekend - sounds like heaven!!! Ste Marie is a bit of a pain to get to - you have a 40 minute ride up a mountain on a beautiful road. But the parking was a nightmare. The atmosphere was unlike any other show I had been to and quite fun. What will Colmar be like? I don't know. But unless some kind of split occurs (litho-pharmocology at one and specimen minerals at the other for example) I hope to fully enjoy BOTH!

That said I will be watching carefully to see how dealers split up. Will it be high end/everyone else, lithopharmocology/specimens, facet rough & gem/specimen, or something completely random. A few strahlers I have spoken with have already signed up for Ste Marie.

So for me, the remaining question is how many days at each show.

avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
December 04, 2011 03:29PM
Jessica and Rob,
I am pretty sure that majority of visitors will visit in 2012 both shows.
Problem is for sellers - people do not know where to go. Shows are too far to be Tucson-like. Also in fact if visitors will visit both shows - question is where they will spend money? many dealers probably will split on 2 shows what is insane for me, you just pay twice for booth for the same visitors!
Also real problem is that for sure both shows will be so-so for sellers because of chaos. Question is where people will go in 2013 and 2014... This is big unknown.
My point is that I trust show promoter who build world third show, the best for us. i do not trust people who has no idea about minerals and just want to make businesses - like 'new team'.
Other people like charm of SMAM so much that they do not acre about not-experienced promoters etc.
As I told the most scary for me is that I hard from several people that they want to go to both shows... people afraid to loose place etc.
We will see how it works.
As I told i trust Michel because of his involvement in many non-profit projects, supporting Trepca museum, Geopolis, Spirifer etc. Definitively this is the guy who is not just care about earning more money.


"Spirifer" Geological Society
Murphy Wang
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 !!!
December 05, 2011 09:19AM
Bob, Jessica, Tomek, all

The team managing Sainte Marie Show is not a “new team”, rather an old and experienced team.
Over the last more than 10 years, THIS regional team has been working for the Marie show, including the Major of Ste. Marie. Of course, all people did not get to see this team, since the show-face was one single person only to the outside world.

My understanding is, the city of Ste. Marie is doing it now with strong support of the Region of Elsass, so non-commercial/or non-profit in front line. The focus is to maintain the regional mining culture and tradition by having a good international mineral show. While the other place is having private and commercial focused purposes in their mind.
So, as we all know, whenever a show is more commercial focused, the danger to the dealers and visitors will be rather, that costs will increase fast. This should be kept in our mind when we think about what we, as dealers and visitors, should or should not support.

By the way, to my knowledge the city is already now working on having good parking services/conditions in 2012, as well more services in various kind to the dealers and visitors, including stable and transparant prices, more important, the show shall be kept in a good size and not overgrowthing that dealer and visitors can really enjoy.

The website of the Marie show is under construction, people are working hard to get it done soonest, I'm looking forward to the new website…
Here is the link I received

I trust the city of Ste. Marie and its team as I have done it in the last more than 10 years by knowing who has done the real great job.

Looking forward to have good discussions and sharing thoughts with all of you too....

avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 !!!
December 05, 2011 09:36AM
Me as a dealer going for many years and being in contact with many people from the team never saw this people...

BTW Colmar show prepare some superb-awesome attractions! Watch their info, you will understand soon that you HAVE TO BE in Colmar!


"Spirifer" Geological Society
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 !!!
December 05, 2011 07:18PM

I am just back from an exhausting and awful Hamburg show and can just confirm what others wrote already that the SMAM team signed up quite a lot of dealers for the old place.
One dealers argument to stay with the old place was that the customers would know the place where he stays (they do not remember names aor go after a confusing map or dealers register). At they new place he was afraid to dissapear in the chaos (well its not a maze like in the old place).
I think dealers who think they had a "good" space in SMAM will stay others wo think their space in SMAM was "bad" or to small are more likely to move.
Also another idea which came up was to move Colmar into September.
SMAM would then be more oriented to minerals, fossils, retail, collectors and Colmar to big wholesalers, jewelry, gemstones, healy-feely stuff. I would do both shows then.
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 !!!
December 05, 2011 07:30PM
All seems a bit strange. Show has to move because of unacceptable conditions, but new show pops up quickly at same time and place. Sort of reminds me of Marty and the EI in Tucson.
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 !!!
December 05, 2011 07:38PM
David, I have the same feeling - and as always show will go with promoter.
Udo in my knowledge trend is opposite - all people with good minerals with who I talked go to Colmar. Wholesale people and low end go to both places - this is what I herd. Reality will show...

"Spirifer" Geological Society

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