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Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?

Posted by Roger Lang  
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 22, 2012 06:34AM
This is a Democratic victory! These are the exhibitors who made the choice. Nothing to add except: long life to exposure to SMAM

C'est une victoire democratique ! Ce sont les exposants qui ont fait le choix. Rien à ajouter sauf : longue vie à l'exposition à SMAM
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 22, 2012 01:59PM
It looks like a battle to appropriate a successful business from the old organizers of SMAM was fought and won.
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 22, 2012 02:26PM
There is nothing to be happy about here. Whether you support the attempt to move the show to Colmar or not, the people who have run the show for many years are no longer involved in it, and they will be missed.

Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 22, 2012 10:12PM
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 23, 2012 12:27PM
Colmar cancelled !

That´s what I have heard from various sources and I also got an email from the organizers around Michel Schwab.
Some claim this to be a victory but where there is a victory there are also loosers.
According to Michel Schwab four people will loose their jobs may be some of them will be hired by SMAM ?
I feel sorry for Michel Schwab which I knew for a long time as reliable and hard working show promoter.
There is a notorius German dealer who claims on his web site that "Napoleon" got defeated and he wishes also a revolution to take place in Munich.
Well you need to be some kind of a "Napoleon" to run a show with almost 1000 exhibitors from whom everybody seems to know better how to run the show in his/her way.
I do not need a "revolution" in Munich. I might wish a revolution in Tucson since greed and price gauging of hotel owners and show promoters are pushing the nerves of exhibitors there to a limit.
Yes in modification of an old saying "Never change a winnig location" the majority of dealers did not want to move to the new place ad hoc.
With the alternative now jump or die they preferred to stay with the old place.
Its true that SMAM has reached it limits there is no further growth possible. But why do you want to grow ? Do we need 50 or 100 more exhibitors from Morocco 50 or 100 more Chinese dealers ? Do we need carpets, wood carvings, artsy craftsy stuff ?
The future of SMAM is in improving quality of dealers and getting the problems of logistics and traffic eased a little bit.
The city of Sainte-Marie is listening to the dealers and proposals.
However it will not be as easy as during the last years. No leaning back and expecting "Napoleon" to take care for everything.
When we as the the majority of dealers "won" the "war" for SMAM we also have now a great responsibility to keep the show going which is in our best interest.
So your input is needed but not only talk and ideas but also real work.
To ease logistics and transport for customers/visitors I volunteered for example to borrow my 2 pallet jacks and a nice transport cart to the show where everybody may borrow them to bring home the treasures.
In the other years I kept my pallet jacks and my transport cart locked up and borrowed it only to special friends and customers.
With now the city running the show its a great chance that they do not look at the first place to maximize the profit but promote the benefits for exhibitors and visitors.
As it was said that in Sainte-Marie there is not enough capacity in the restaurants to feed all the exhibitors after the show
hours, they now think about opening the main restaurant on the show premises until evening hours.
The city already contracted with some private companies to use their parking lots during the weekend for visitors.
Parking lots which have been locked up during the past years.
So SMAM will stay mostly at is was but with changes to the better.
See you during the summer in Sainte-Marie-aux-mines !

Udo J.A. Behner alias "mr.bismuth"
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 23, 2012 12:48PM
Problem why Colmar failed is not number of exhibitors in SMAM. Battle wasn't "democratic". New SMAM show have governmental money and do to care to loose for a few years. Euromineral was a private company with private money. They didn't have big money "for loose" for few years.
Until January number of people who signed to both shows was bigger in Colmar than SMAM. But risk was too big for them - financial risk. if they would be supported by governmental money than there would be no problem.
This is important to understand why SMAM won.
Anyway this is a fact so we should wish them everything best now.

Best regards

"Spirifer" Geological Society
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 23, 2012 03:24PM
Indeed, They should be wished the fairest of winds. However, without knowing the extent of the social funding procured by the town authorities to subsidise this event, it's medium term future must remain unclear.

I'd guess that its future will depend on the town's ability and will to invest in in the infrastructure needed to support a 700-1,000 exhibitor 4-6 day event with up to (say) 50,000 visitors+ in that period, keeping all in safety, comfort and an enjoyable environment. History does not give reason for much optimism here. Wanting the revenue such a show brings to a small community is one thing; doing what is necessary to keep the show located in the town is something else.

From the point of view of exhibitor's (and vistors?) a two-venue event at SMAM and Colmar (at different pricing levels for the exhibitors at each) would seem to have much to recommend it. It could remove the constraints and difficulties that are likely to continue if the show remains in SMAM alone. But.... it would be at the cost of a high percentage of the possible revenue presently entering the town's coffers being paid into the Colmar community instead.

We shall see what happens. Nothing dramatic in 2012 I'd guess - but the future for (say) 2014-15 is very hard to see clearly. Mr Schwab's misfortune may be one of mistaken timing rather than of mistaken principle.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/23/2012 03:29PM by Owen Lewis (2).
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 23, 2012 04:24PM
To Owen :

Yes I think Michel Schwabs "shipwreck" may be due to bad timing, may be also due the possibility that the political establishment in the region was not all in favour for him but for shure its due to the lack of getting intelligence about the thoughts of the vendors regarding the move to Colmar.
Not until the end of the SMAM show in 2011 there has been nothing but rumours about the possible move of the show to Colmar.
Then more or less unofficialy (you had to been able to take a look in the local newspaper) it got clear that 2014 would be the year. There was no official information for the vendors so far.
(Again I have to remind the way of information was granted to the vendors of the Munich Show when it moved from the Theresienhöhe in the inner city to the outskirts at the new fairground at the former airport out in the middle of nowhere. The year before the move they organized a bus tour to the new fairground under construction !)
And of course there was never ever something like a questionaire like "would you like the show to move to Colmar or better stay in Sainte-Marie ?".
I guess however if there would have been a question like that without any further information, the vast majority would have voted for SMAM just because mankind is conservative and likes things to stay as they have been all the time before.
Then with a sudden twist just before the Munich show the move should take place already in 2012.
If the city expelled Michel Schwab or he run away and closed the door behind him for ever - I do not know - there are two different stories told.
So what did you expect, that all the dealers sing hallejulja and follow the prophet into the promised land ?
But as we say in Germany, thats snow from last year.
We need to look forward to make the best in the new situation.
The city did a lot to improve the infrastructure in the past, like the renovation of the old factory to get the "Val-Expo".
There is still a lot to do but looking forward to have the show now for many years to come and with taking in some more direct revenue from the show it can be done.
The mayor and the city council would be completely stupid not to improve the show and answering the needs of the vendors and visitors. As easy as the majority of the vendors was in favour of SMAM they may change their mind if the situation in SMAM gets unfortunate for them. The fairground in Colmar is still there.

Udo J.A. Behner alias "mr.bismuth"
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 23, 2012 05:01PM
The best thing SMAM could do to improve their show would be to have out-of-town parking with coach service into the town.
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 23, 2012 05:14PM
And build a few hotels smiling smiley

"Spirifer" Geological Society
avatar Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 23, 2012 05:19PM

Yes, yes and yes smiling smiley

We can imagine but do not know the undercurrents and pressures that have led to recent events, which include, crucially, the reluctance of sufficient exhibitors to commit early to a 2012 show in Colmar to secure its financing.

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