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Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?

Posted by Roger Lang  
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
December 16, 2011 11:37PM
I agree with David Von Bargen. As well in Europe, the traditional local mineral & fossil shows are mostly ran by mineral clubs or organizations which are non-commercial. So that the dealers and visitors benefit from the club arrangement.

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For some one can read German, here is a forum weblink regarding the topic of sainte-marie 2012:
[www.mineralienatlas.de]
It seems to be that most of the people there are supporting Sainte Marie.


By the way,
Why should we make that much headach around this topic here at all ???
Look, if in 2012 there had been only one show place in Sainte-Marie like we have it for ages,
no dealer would even be keen on or pushing for relocating to somewhere else.
Now, only becuase that there are two places offered by fact, lots of people seem to be stressed and confused!
To me, everyone shall simply make his own decision.
It's so simple: STAY or leave, just rock & support the show you like most!
Honestly, a number of dealers I know are very clear in their mind, they go to a show for business, friends and customers.
They ignore individuals trying to put pressure on them.




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/17/2011 09:49AM by Yue Tutt.
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
December 18, 2011 01:20AM
David, I am referring to the satellite shows at Tucson and Denver, where most of the specimens for normal collectors are traded; on both places the Main Show are run by the Tucson Gem and Mineral Society and the confederation of mineral clubs with great competence and success, but the minerals I need to purchase there to sell to my customers in Brazil I normally cannot obtain at the Main Shows, the prices are normally much higher than can be obtained from dealers at the satellite shows.

At Munich and Sainte Marie aux Mines who is looking for top quality specimens would find them easily at the International Mineral Pavillion and at the Theatre, but will have to pay premium prices for them; who wants to buy good minerals at affordable prices should better look at the normal booths or tents, and at Denver and Tucson the normal collectors and dealers would make their purchases mostly at the satellite shows, run by show promoters.
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
December 28, 2011 02:54PM
    
Good to read all your comments and opinion about Colmar versus SMM.

I wonder what will be the reaction of customer obliged to share there time between the two show..!!!!!!
I hope they will come with two time more money than what they plan.....
Unfortunatly, there is only one things to do before june; is to wait......
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
January 03, 2012 04:14PM
IMHO, if this 'split' in the show eventually leads to a situation where we have a Tucson-style distributed show here in mainland Europe, then I think that we will all benefit greatly. The overall event will continue to get bigger and more diverse, and that will create the same sort of benefits that Tucson has in terms of diversity. In the short term, the abrupt increase in available 'show space' will allow more dealers to participate, and if there is empty space this will cause the cost of a stand/table to fall, which will then attract back more of the smaller dealers - many of whom have dropped out in recent years due to spiralling costs. Additionally, the show centre in Colmar has facilities that would allow events such as talks and workshops to take place - something that was sadly lacking in the past.

Personally, I think that these changes will be no bad thing.

The one true danger is that people will start to pull out (us collectors and buyers as well as the dealers). That would be bad and we would risk sending the whole thing into terminal decline, so it's up to us to support both shows - irrespective of which dealer goes where in the immediate future. In the short term I have no doubt that there will be a lot of heat and light but we need to either ignore this or look past it. Change is always unsettling and so there will be lots of talk, some angry words, and probably some arm waving too. Just as there was in Tucson back in the 1990s when something similar happened there too. The overall result at Tucson was .... wait for it..... growth in the size of the show, and little more. The rest of the world went on just as it had done before, and hopefully that is what will happen here in France too.

Assuming that a collapse does not happen, then I can see the event ending up pretty quickly with Colmar as the 'core' location and Ste Marie as one of the major satellites. The intervening distance is not a problem - after all, it takes about the same amount of time to drive from the Innsuites in downtown Tucson to say the Westwood Resort in the northern suburbs, and nobody bats an eyelid at doing that trip (even though there are relatively few dealers at the Westwood).

Incidentally, I have always stayed in Colmar when going to Ste Marie in the past - better hotels, plenty of good restaurants, stores and other facilities, and no problems with parking and so forth. Nice town, and well worth a visit.

Happy New Year to all, and I hope that 2012 brings you all success and prosperity.

Rick Turner
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January 16, 2012 01:53PM
    
There are two full page interviews about next year's show in MineralienWelt. One with Michel Schwab, and one with Claude Abel (the mayor of SMAM).
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
January 24, 2012 04:20AM
As it often happens big dealers will tray to be at both venues to catch as many buyers as they can. Smaller dealers and those that specialize in certain type or locality minerals are probably going to stay in SMAM expecting more traditional clientele to visit there first. If the two organizers are smart they would co operate and make this in to a two locality Europe's super show.
Up to now only few more money oriented dealers are turning their back on SMAM and saying without any proof that every one will do the same. My guess is that SMAM will have a bumpy ride for a year or two and if they learn how to manage the show properly it will keep on as a main show. If they do not do it right they will be out in two to three years.
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 20, 2012 11:30PM
To update this discussion: The german magazine Mineralienwelt announced that the number of dealers deciding to move from Ste Marie aux Mines to Colmar was not sufficient to be viable and the move to Colmar has been cancelled. So the agony of indecision about whether to move or not is no longer necessary - perhaps good news for many dealers and visitors - and the show will remain in its traditional venue, the picturesque ex-mining town of Ste Marie. It remains to be seen how the new organizers (the mayor and his team) will deal with the problems of overcrowding and parking, but I'm sure we all wish them good luck in their endeavour.
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February 21, 2012 12:57PM
    
Here's a link to the original article (in german language): mineralienwelt
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 21, 2012 01:58PM
And a link to the site of Règne Minéral (in french language):
[www.minerauxetfossiles.com]
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 21, 2012 02:51PM
Great news ! SMAM is unique, history and atmosphere will prevail
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February 21, 2012 04:15PM
Well, I booked my room yesterday - in Colmar. Getting in on the TGV on the Thursday p.m. and leaving on the Sunday about midday. Depending on the vibes, that could give me a day and a bit at EuroMineral and over half a day wandering about in Ste Marie as well.

On the basis that the majority of the (much enlarged) number of stands will be in Colmar, those organising the Ste Marie show might do well to organize a shuttle bus service between the two sites (about a 30 mile drive through pretty wooded hills). and sell bus seats in advance though their (under construction) web site. Otherwise, only those with cars are likely to do both shows.
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February 21, 2012 04:16PM
Owen.

If you didn't read the earlier message, the Colmar show appears to have been cancelled. There will only be the show at Ste Marie-aux-mines now
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 21, 2012 05:38PM
The Colmar organizer himself has confirmed that the new show in Colmar is cancelled:

[www.minerauxetfossiles.com]

So we are back to the traditional scenario - A single show, in Sainte Marie aux Mines, but under new organisers. Everyone, I'm sure, is nervously waiting to see how it will work out, but the traditionalists are happy.

A little shrinkage would probably be good for the show, as it had grown so big that driving and parking were becoming a headache. I hope the new organisers come up with some creative solutions to the problems, like perhaps frequent shuttlebus service to Selestat station? I'm surprised that this was not done in the past, although there is a public bus between SMaM and Selestat, which runs mostly almost empty even during the peak of the show (thereby proving that Europeans are as much addicted to the convenience of their cars as Americans are, despite protestations to the contrary).
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February 21, 2012 05:44PM
    
Perhaps they could arrange much more parking on the outskirts of town, and then run frequent shuttle buses to and from the lot. It's been a while since we've gone, but even 5-6 years ago the parking was difficult unless you arrived quite early.
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February 21, 2012 05:57PM
    
Big shame for me. Michel made that show as a international even and made it really world-class.
Michel - thank you for all this years!

I have nothing against new organizers (I do not know them) - I just thought that we owe something to Michel...

Tomek

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"Spirifer" Geological Society
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 21, 2012 07:30PM
Tomek,

You should not be ashamed for defending something you believe in. And i think you are right about the fact that Mr. Schwab did put up a great show all those years and the mineral community should be grateful for that. We will see what the new organizers come up with to relieve the current problems. I'm looking foreward to see it for myself and enjoy minerals, people and great food as usual.

Peter
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February 21, 2012 07:42PM
    
I am not ashamed, I just think that this is a pity smiling smiley Sorry for my English....

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"Spirifer" Geological Society
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February 21, 2012 08:39PM
Jolyon wrote:
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Owen.

If you didn't read the earlier message, the Colmar show appears to have been cancelled. There will only be the show at Ste Marie-aux-mines now
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!!!
No, for whatever reason, that news was not screened to me when I read in and posted to the thread. Too late to change my booking though, which is pre-paid.. Bus rides, I guess..... Saves hassle with the parking anyway smiling smiley And as someone else said, Colmar is picturesque and the restaurants are good.

More to this story to come I think. How one cancels a hall like the Colmar Expo at just 4 months' notice might be 'Only with difficulty and expense'!
Ouch.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/21/2012 10:03PM by Owen Lewis (2).
Re: Ste Marie aux Mines 2012 ?
February 21, 2012 08:42PM
Owen, Since SMaM never did have enough hotel space for all its visitors, there were some participants sleeping in Colmar every year anyway. With any luck, you might be able to carpool with someone else staying in Colmar.
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February 21, 2012 10:00PM
Thanks for the good thought. In fact, I've a couple of friends who say they will be driving over though whether staying in Colmar or closer to SMM is not yet clear as they are also meeting up with chums from Luxembourg. So I may not be as bereft as I might have been.

Anyway it should be a happy couple of days with minerals, gems, beer and gossip MINDAT evening gatherings in la petite Venise?.

I just found this on the web-site [www.euromineral.fr]. It's always sad to see a business go down. ....Tammany Hall.... or, as the French have it, 'plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose'.
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