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Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?

avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 02, 2011 11:59AM
Jolyon may step in here with a few comments, but if not, I will comment that management does realize we have a problem with the approval of submitted images and we have been discussing various ways of handling the problem. Because we are all volunteers here on mindat we also have the privilege of working on what ever it is that we want, and often times that is not looking at the list of submitted images to improve them. Perhaps in the future, if mindat gets wealthy, we may be able to hire some employees that we can assign to various mindat tasks, but that is not likely to be for quite a while. Jolyon is having enough trouble getting himself paid enough so that he can work on the site, and that is absolutely critical, let alone hire full time let alone employees. Now that he is working full time on the site, we are seeing some cracks in the log jam of problems that need attention. Right now, In the managers forum, we periodically get a posting that will say something like, "hey guys, the images waiting for approval list is getting out of hand and you need to go there and help approve, disapprove or send complaint letters on the images in the list." and we all run over there and try and clean up some of the back log.

We have discussed various ways to improve the situation and Jolyon is now "on it" and working on ways to make the situation better. When it is obvious that at everything is OK with the species designation, the locality and the caption we can assign them quickly to the general gallery or the users gallery if the quality is not all that great and I must admit that as time passes, more and more are being assigned to the user only galleries. The problem comes when a manager looks at the image and says to himself "hell if I know" and skips over the image to go on to the next one that he may know something about. We have talked about creating a list of people that are specialists on various minerals or localities that we can refer those images to when we don't feel confident about saying yes or no on a particular image, or to have a check box by the image that says I don't know. We have talked about putting a time limit of two weeks on the images in the to be approved list and if no one knows by the time two weeks are up we will give the benefit of the doubt to the uploader and the images will be automatically moved to the general gallery. I think that by July we may have a system in place that will improve the situation. We now have in place a permissions system where we can permit others (mostly level 2 people) than managers to approve images of different kinds and to edit captions, send out letters with questions to the uploaders abut about the images they have uploaded and as this system gets used, and populated with helpers, images should be approved in a more timely manner.

What did you submit. Ill try and find it on the list and see where it stands.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2011 12:56PM by Rock Currier.
avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 02, 2011 12:55PM
HI Rock,
I understand the difficulties, and like I said, I am not moaning.
I just thought it might help if there were some kind of feedback to the poster so he could track 'progress' if that means anything.
It might cut down on the number of complaints.

The other problem was the missing child photos, which is not so much a matter of approval, but a bit of a 'bug' as I see it.
The little 'multi-pic' icon appears in one or two of my pics, but the child photo itself is missing.

I recently uploaded a couple pics of metazeunerite from Cligga, (Photo ID: 388764) The main pic is awaiting approval, but the child pic is not to be seen on the awaiting approval list.
I am happy to wait for approval, but what puzzles me is the child pic missing.
The same happened to Photo ID: 333998 which was approved ages ago, but the child pic uploaded at the same time did not appear, even though the Multi-pic icon is there.

As I say, this is not so much a personal gripe, more an attempt at pointing out a possible 'bug' in the system.


United Kingdom, Cornwall
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 02, 2011 07:16PM
I couldn't find the two child photos either (or do you know their numbers?). Must be a bug.
For the time being, just upload them again if you want.
avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 02, 2011 07:22PM
Thanks Uwe,
Will do that in due course.


United Kingdom, Cornwall
avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 03, 2011 12:12PM
Fixed metazeunerite. Reuploading the same photo won't work as we check for duplicate images.
avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 03, 2011 01:00PM
I searched through the images waiting approval and could not find your image but finally realized the Uwe had beat me to it. Anyway, I am feeling richous because I reviewed a bunch of images and helped clean up the backlog. I feel guilty about not doing more of this work.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 03, 2011 03:57PM
My thanks to all of you.

I fully realise that it must be a very time consuming job approving all those photographs, which brings me back to my original 'feedback' suggestion.
Would it not be possible for the software to include a counter, such that all the pictures on your 'awaiting approval' stack would have a list number?

The list number would change as the picture moves up your 'awaiting approval' stack, so if it was also to appear on the users 'waiting approval' the user could see how far down the list his picture was.

i.e. If the end user were to see a message on his 'Awaiting approval' picture saying "This picture is number 10,003 on the awaiting approval list" would inform the uploader that it will be a while to wait.
If the message said "This picture is number 3 on the awaiting approval list" the uploader would know it would not be long.

If this were done, it would cut down on the number of queries about 'where has my picture gone?' and would perhaps cut down on the managerial workload - you wouldn't have to answer all those queries.

It may not be possible of course, it is just a thought.

Again, thanks for all your work and efforts.

Eric B)

United Kingdom, Cornwall
avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 03, 2011 08:19PM
I think Jolyon or Dave must be the one to answer that question. They have a list of things to do and make better on the site a mile long and it is always the fires that must be put out first, and I don't begin to know enough about the programming of the site to know how much work what you suggest would take and how important the other things they are doing are compared to your request. Perhaps they will weigh in on the matter if they are not too busy doing other stuff.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 03, 2011 08:26PM
It was just a thought, - not important.

All the best

Eric smileys with beer

United Kingdom, Cornwall
avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 03, 2011 08:38PM

No, it probably is not all that important in the over all scheme of things, but mindat only grows and gets better by people like yourself seeing a problem and saying "hey, can we change this and make it better?" and that starts the rest of us thinking and it kind of goes on the pile of other suggestions and if enough other people chime in and say, "hey! you should really change this", in most cases it will eventually get done. So please don't think that you should not have brought this to our attention. All suggestions that are made can help the site improve, and I for one certainly don't think you should not make them or were the least out of line in making this suggestion.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 08, 2011 11:39AM
Hi Guys,

Just a quick one from my photo's; I uploaded a couple of images a week or two ago but they're still waiting approval. Now, usually, I'd just ignore it but I recently uploaded another image (two days ago) which was approved this morning so wasn't sure if the others were missed. Numbers are;

388234, 288235 and child photo, 388236.

I've not had a query/issue raised about them either, so I thought I'd ask.

avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 08, 2011 04:59PM
I try and stay away from the photo approval process as I have plenty of other work here on mindat. I suspect the garnet photo, if it has not been approved is because it would appear you labeled is only garnet and didn't bother to put down what species of garnet it was or even a locality in the photo upload page. I didn't even know it was possible to upload an image without a locality, but I guess it is. As for the other two specimens from Pavel, someone is probably waiting for him to approve them or is checking with him. I personally would believe those are what Pavel says they are. He knows his stuff.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
June 08, 2011 05:27PM
Ahhh, I put down 288235 and it should have been 388235... The Garnet isn't mine!

It should be an SEM image of Rucklidgeite, a Rucklidgeite crystal group shot (Child image) and the Nabokoite with Atlasovite.

As for the reasoning; that seems fair enough if Pavel needs to approve, though the Pb-Bi Tellurate sample has been approved and that was also from Pavel and was uploaded at the same time...
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
October 23, 2011 02:01PM
I submitted a few specimens that came to my collection from well-known dealers. Also, each specimen has his original label and the reference, I think so, to be accurate. I would be interested if their disapproval, until this moment could be generated by missing information and other misrepresent notes and photos.
The ID specimens are:
388380-added 25th May 2011-Hubeite, Quartz;
394531-added 29th Jun 2011-Hubnerite
415961-added 7th Oct 2011-Cylindrite
415963-added 7th Oct 2011-Hubeite, Inesite, Quartz

I'm very grateful for your kind support here.
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
October 23, 2011 03:27PM
I checked your photos. As far as I can see, they were all approved , and you can see them all in your gallery. Regarding the informations, reference etc given, there seems to be no problem with that.
But the reason, I would guess, is that when you uploaded your photos there were already many other photos of the same mineral from the same locality in the database.

Generally speaking, if there are already a large number of photos of the same mineral from the same locality in the database, and the ones already there are of a better quality or of a better educational value compared to the new ones to be approved, they will be approved for the users gallery only, and not for the mineral or locality gallery. Your photos is compared to other photographs of specimens from this location

EDITED away the word "not" in the last sentence. A typo from my side, sorry,

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/23/2011 06:46PM by Knut Edvard Larsen.
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
October 23, 2011 04:03PM

As to your earlier suggestion that locality 'experts' may be called upon to help with certain images, I'd like to volunteer to help out with photos of Canadian minerals. I'll admit, I'd be relatively useless with rare micros from Mount-Saint Hilaire, or massive sulphides from the Cobalt area (so an "I don't know" button would be good), but I could certainly help clear a lot of the more 'common' stuff, especially the high volume of field-collected Grenville Province material.

At your service,
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
October 23, 2011 06:20PM
Knut Edvard,

The only purpose of my request was for a correct information and I appreciate this prompt explanation.

avatar Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
October 24, 2011 12:58PM
Why don't you start by looking at some of the Canadian mineral photos from localities that you are familiar with and see if there are some really wrong ones. Tell us what the image number is and what is wrong with the locality, species and or caption.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
October 25, 2011 04:12AM
Will do.
Re: Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
October 31, 2011 08:31PM
I added several photos a while ago for my Bancroft show report - mostly "others", but a few minerals as well. All have been approved, and all are showing up except the Child photos of mineral cases (not even in my gallery). I don't really care if the only way to see the closeups of the cases is through the parent, but the following mineral photos where also uploaded as children of one of the "other - mineral display" photos, and are not showing up at the locality, or in either the public, or my private gallery. Check out the parent and you'll understand why I did it that way and not showing up.

This is probably just a lack of understanding on my part about the role and use of child photos, could someone please explain? And/or suggest a different way to link these photos so that the "mineral photos" show up in the right places?



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