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avatar Fluorite, Germany
March 16, 2009 09:04PM
First edition, Rock Currier July 2012


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Fluorite
CaF
Germany

Fluorite, Germany, Black Forest, Wolfach, Clara Mine 4.5 cm wide.© Chinellato Matteo

Here will go some general comments about German Fluorites.


Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Schwarzwald, Waldshut, Witznau, Schlüchttal

Fluorite 6cm wide© PMB
Fluorite 11cm wide© Van Heghe Photo


Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest, Haslach, Schnellingen, Segen Gottes Mine (Gottes Segen Mine; Gottessegen Mine)

Fluorite ?cm© TOPMIN
Fluorite 11cm wide© Dr. Holger Klapproth


Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest, Haslach, Steinach, Artenberg quarry

Fluorite & Calcite 12cm wide© Dr. Holger Klapproth
Fluorite & Calcite 10cm wide© Dr. Holger Klapproth

Quartz-Calcite veins in gneiss rock. This was the best location for large fluorite octahedrons in the whole black forest. Green crystals of up to 10 cm have been found there, sitting on white calcite and looking very very attractive. Smaller crystals in blue and grey were also found, but green was the predominant color. These fluorites also have another nice feature - they fluoresce quite well. Most other black forest fluorites exhibit a rather dull fluorescence. Also a lot of the crystals have a rather "etched" looking surface composed of little fluorite cubes. Other associated minerals were quartz, pyrite, chalcopyrite and other sulfides. Though the quarry is still active there has been no fluorite find for quite some time as the part of the quarry with the fluorite mineralization is currently not in use. When the fluorites were found some local collectors used to claim the best spots and tried to keep other people away - even by threat of violence. Good calcite crystals and some of the associated ore mineralization can still be found. Permission of access is required. Since the "Naturkundemuseum Freiburg" was changed to the "Naturmuseum" and the mineral collection display there was sacrificed almost completely (shame on them) the only place I know to display Artenberg Fluorites is the Minerlienmuseum in Wolfach, near the famous Clara mine.
[Holger Klapproth 2011]

Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest, Münstertal, Belchen Mt., Teufelsgrund Mine

Fluorite 5.2cm tall© Rosenzweig
Fluorite 9cm wide© Dr. Holger Klapproth

Fluorite & Baryte 7cm wide© Dr. Holger Klapproth

Teufelsgrund ("Devils Ground" ) is an abandoned Silver/Fluorite Mine in the southern Black Forest. The mine exploited several mineralized veins, with Schindler vein and Teufelsgrund vein maybe being the most important ones. The oldest record of mining on these veins is from 1512 ! - but carbon dating of a peace of charcoal fould in one of the workings reveled that mining started a lot earlier - the piece was dated to around the year 950. The mine closed in 1958 due to low Fluorite prices. It was reopened as a visitors mine some years ago and is well worth visiting. The Fluorites from this mine are really amazing. Starting with cubes and extra faces on the edges the crystals "transform" to rhombic dodecahedrons, hexoctahedrons to almost spherical structures with 282 faces (see Extra Lapis 4, Fluorite p. 72ff.). Whereas cubic crystals could reach the size of 5 cm and more the more complex crystals are rather small (mms) but make out he special magic of these pieces. Especially water clear hexakis octahedrons growing on marcasite are very famous and can be found in several museum collections. Though these crystals are tiny they can still be found on the old dumps - and is worth digging for them. The larger crystals are quite often pinkish to purple but other colors were also reported. The smaller, water clear crystals mostly have no color at all.
After its closure the mine was the used by mineral collectors to collect very beautiful specimens. This even included the use of explosives - and a really nasty accident happened. Now this is the story how I was told it: Two guys had themselves locked in underground and put some charges in place. As they did not explode as expected one of these guys went to have a look and got hit by the blast. He barely survived and was seriously wounded. Now as they were locked in the only way out was use the rest of the explosives to blast the entrance door open. They made it and the wounded person survived though he lost some fingers and had his eyes damaged. As dealing with explosives and damaging other peoples property is a serious offense these guys also faced criminal charges - but the court showed mercy and the verdict was rather mild.
[Holger Klapproth 2011]


Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest, Schenkenzell, Kaltbrunn, Ilse Mine

Fluorite 6.5cm wide© Peter Haas
Fluorite ?cm© TOPMIN


Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest, Schenkenzell, Wittichen, Heubach Valley, Anton Mine (St. Anton Mine)

Fluorite & Pyrite 10cm wide© Dr. Holger Klapproth


Grube Anton is a rather rare locality. There is a lot of Tannenboden Mine stuff on the market but very little good material from Anton. This one I bought a few years ago from a local mineral dealer who specialices in buying old collection and selling the better pieces on mineral shows. I now live in Black Forest since 1997, but this is the first good specimen from that mine I was able to get my hands on. The coating with pyrite is a bit unusual for Wieden, but could be confirmed by comparison with similar specimens. A pity these mines are closed now. Imagine all the wonderful specimens that came out there in the 1950s and 60s.
[Holger Klapproth 2012]


Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest, Schenkenzell, Wittichen, Burgfelsen, Johann Mine

Fluorite 5cm wide© Volker Betz



Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest, Todtnau, Brandenberg Mine

Fluorite 4.6cm tall© Rob Lavinsky



Fluorite
Germany
Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest, Wolfach, Oberwolfach, Rankach valley, Clara Mine

Fluorite 9cm wide© Peter Haas
Fluorite 15.3cm wide© Rob Lavinsky

Fluorite 9.5cm wide© Peter Haas
Fluorite 10.3cm wide© Rob Lavinsky

Fluorite 13cm wide© Leon Hupperichs
Fluorite 11cm wide© PMB

1.4mm Fluorite on matrix© D.Preite
Fluorite FOV 2mm© Stephan Wolfsried


Fluorite
Germany
Bavaria, Franconia, Fichtelgebirge, Tröstau, Zufurt Quarry (Zufuhrt Quarry)

Fluorite ~12cm wide© K. Gerl
Fluorite 20cm wide© Stefan Meier


Fluorite
Germany
Bavaria, Franconia, Fichtelgebirge, Weißenstadt, Kirchenlamitz, Epprechtstein Mt.

Fluorite ~5.5cm wide© K.Gerl
Fluorite Fluorite 2.4cm wide© Rob Lavinsky


Fluorite
Germany
Bavaria, Upper Palatinate, Schwandorf, Wölsendorf Fluorite mining District

Fluorite 13cm wide© Peter Haas



Fluorite
Germany
Bavaria, Upper Palatinate, Schwandorf, Wölsendorf Fluorite mining District, Wölsendorf East District (Wölsendorf - Nabburg District), Marienschacht Mine

Fluorite 11cm wide© Van Heghe Photo
Fluorite 11.5cm wide© Fernando Metelli

Fluorite 7.8cm wide© Joseph A. Freilich, LLC
Fluorite © Joseph A. Freilich, LLC


Fluorite
Germany
Bavaria, Upper Palatinate, Schwandorf, Wölsendorf Fluorite mining District, Wölsendorf West District (Wölsendorf - Schmidgaden District)

Fluorite 12cm wide© Paul Bongaerts



Fluorite
Germany
Lower Saxony, Harz Mts, St Andreasberg District, St Andreasberg, Samson Mine

Fluorite 6cm wide© Aksel Österlöf



Fluorite
Germany
Rhineland-Palatinate, Eifel Mts, Laach lake volcanic complex

Fluorite FOV 4mm© Stephan Wolfsried
Fluorite FOV 3mm© Stephan Wolfsried

Fluorite FOV 3mm© Stephan Wolfsried
Fluorite ball with Sanidine FOV 2mm© Stephan Wolfsried

Fluorite with dendrite FOV3mm © Stephan Wolfsried
Fluorite FOV 6mm© Stephan Wolfsried

Fluorite Fluorite FOV 4mm© Stephan Wolfsried



Fluorite
Germany
Rhineland-Palatinate, Eifel Mts, Mayen, Ettringen, Ettringer Bellerberg Mt.

Fluorite FOV 1.5mm© Stephan Wolfsried



Fluorite
Germany
Rhineland-Palatinate, Hunsrück Mts, Idar-Oberstein, Niederwörresbach, Juchem Quarry

Fluorite Fluorite FOV 7cm© MNHM/LS 2009



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony-Anhalt, Harz Mts, Stolberg

Fluorite 6cm wide© Rob Lavinsky



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony-Anhalt, Harz Mts, Stolberg, Rottleberode

Fluorite 12cm wide© Jacques Malassé
Fluorite 9.1cm wide© Christian Bracke


Fluorite
Germany
Saxony-Anhalt, Harz Mts, Stolberg, Rottleberode, Flußschacht Mine

Fluorite 4.5cm wide© PMB
Fluorite 11cm wide© Leon Hupperichs


Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Chemnitz, Frankenberg, Euba

Fluorite & Quartz FOV 5cm wide© RK



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Chemnitz, Hilbersdorf

Fluorite & petrified wood 6cm wide© Peter Haas



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Annaberg-Buchholz

Fluorite 12.7cm wide© Rob Lavinsky



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Annaberg-Buchholz, Dörfel, Dörfel Quarry (Bögl Quarry)

Fluorite 2.5cm wide© RK
1cm Fluorite on Quartz© RK


Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Annaberg-Buchholz, Frohnau

Fluorite & Quartz 2cm wide© RK
Fluorite & Quartz FOV 2cm wide© RK

Fluorite 3.8cm wide© abc-minerals.com




Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Annaberg-Buchholz, Frohnau, Bergmännisch Glück Flacher vein

Fluorite 7cm wide© Thomas Uhlig


Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Annaberg District, Annaberg-Buchholz, Frohnau, Schreckenberg hill, Malwine Shaft (Shaft 29)

Fluorite & Barite 6cm wide© Leon Hupperichs



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Annaberg-Buchholz, Frohnau, Shaft 78

Fluorite 4.5cm tall© Thomas Uhlig



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Annaberg-Buchholz, Frohnau, Zehntausend Ritter Mine

Fluorite ~4.5cm wide© R. Lang 2008
Fluorite ?cm© RK

Fluorite 7.5cm tall© Peter Haas
Fluorite ~6cm wide© Joseph A. Freilich

Fluorite 4.2cm wide© Antonio Borrelli
Fluorite & Barite 4cm wide© Tony Peterson

Fluorite 5.8cm wide© R. Lang 2008
Fluorite 4.5cm wide© Antonio Borrelli

Fluorite 8cm wide© RGC
Fluorite 7cm wide© PMB

Fluorite 10cm tall© Hupperichs/Welting
Fluorite 6cm wide© R. Lang 2008



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Breitenbrunn District, Antonsthal, Tannenbaum Mine

Fluorite 6.9cm tall© Collectors Edge



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Saxony, Breitenbrunn District, Rittersgrün

Fluorite 7.9cm tall© Rob Lavinsky



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Breitenbrunn District, Rittersgrün, Kaffenberg

Fluorite & Marcasite 6cm tall© Jorge M. Alves



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Ehrenfriedersdorf, Sauberg Mine

Fluorite, Siderite & Chalcopyrite 4.2cm wide© Peter Haas



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Freiberg District

Fluorite 6cm wide© Karl Volkman 10/07
Fluorite 11cm wide© J.Ralph

Fluorite 12.6cm wide© Rob Lavinsky
Fluorite 8.4cm wide© Rob Lavinsky

Fluorite 10.7cm wide© fabreminerals.com




Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Freiberg District, Halsbrücke

Fluorite 3.4cm wide© Joseph A. Freilich, LLC



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Freiberg District, Halsbrücke, Beihilfe Mine

Fluorite 11cm wide© 2002, Jesse Fisher
Fluorite & Chalcopyrite 15cm wide© 2004, Jesse Fisher

Fluorite 8cm tall© 2004, Jesse Fisher
Fluorite & Quartz 12 cm tall© fabreminerals.com

Fluorite 12.7cm wide© Paul De Bondt 2012


Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Freiberg District, Roßwein, Gersdorf

Fluorite 8cm wide© Rob Lavinsky



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Glashütte, Johnsbach

Fluorite, Barite & Quartz 19cm wide© RK



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Marienberg District

Fluorite & Barite 8.9cm wide© fabreminerals.com
Fluorite & Quartz 5.7cm wide© abc-minerals.com


Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Schwarzenberg District, Beierfeld, Gelbe Birke Mine

Fluorite 9.5cm wide© fabreminerals.com



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Erzgebirge, Schwarzenberg District, Pöhla

Fluorite 3.5cm wide© Kristalle and Crys



Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Vogtland, Oelsnitz, Bösenbrunn

Fluorite 3.7cm tall© fabreminerals.com
Fluorite & Calcite FOV 4.5cm© M. Adelt

Fluorite 6.5cm wide© M. Adelt
Fluorite 6.3cm wide© www.mineralienkluft.at

Fluorite 6.9cm wide© Edward Rosenzweig
Fluorite 4.1cm wide© PMB


The mineralization is similar to that of the Fluorites from Schönbrunn Glockenpöhl quarry a vein with light blue cubes up to several cm.
[Sebastian Möller 2011]


Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Vogtland, Zobes-Bergen District

.7cm Fluorite xl on matrix© www.e-rocks.com


Good honey-brown cubes, often covered with pyrite.
[Sebastian Möller 2011]


Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Vogtland, Oelsnitz, Schönbrunn, Ludwig-Vereinigt-Feld Mine

Fluorite on Siderite 11cm wide© Rob Lavinsky
Fluorite & Siderite UV image of left© Rob Lavinsky

Fluorite & Quartz 12cm wide© M. Adelt




Fluorite
Germany
Saxony, Vogtland, Schönbrunn, Patriot Mine

This mine produces specimens of Fluorite with several generations: violet octahedrons up to several cm with quartz and orthoclase (var. Paradoxite); white to yellow octahedral xls with carved edges (so-called Ochsenaugen (bull's eyes)); cubes with calcite).
[Sebastian Möller 2009]


Fluorite
Germany & Czech Republic
Saxony & Ústí Region (Bohemia; Böhmen; Boehmen), Krusné Hory Mts, Erzgebirge; Cínovec / Zinnwald (Cinvald)

Fluorite & Quartz 7.3cm tall© fabreminerals.com




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First edition, Rock Currier July 2012

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.



Edited 29 time(s). Last edit at 11/04/2012 09:06PM by Rock Currier.
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 25, 2009 11:43AM
de    
Hello,

Here a list of good and interesting German Fluorite localities (there are several hundred mines and outcrops,
this is only a very short list of exceptional localities):

Germany, Saxony-Anhalt, Harz Mts., Rottleberode (good green octahedral fluorite up to 10 cm)

Germany, Saxony, Vogtland, Schönbrunn, Patriot Mine (several generations: violet octahedrons up to several cm with quartz and orthoclase (var. Paradoxite); white to yellow octahedral xls with carved edges (so-called Ochsenaugen (bull's eyes)); cubes with calcite).

Germany, Saxony, Vogtland, Bösenbrunn (mineralizations similiar to the last location and in the Glockenpöhl quarry a vein with light blue cubes up to several cm).

Germany, Saxony, Vogtland, Zobes (good honey-brown cubes, often covered with pyrite)

Germany, Saxony, Erzgebirge Mts., Annaberg mining district [10.000 Ritter mine, Markus Röhling mine, Malwine (or Krönung) mine, Schreckenberg Mt., Dörfel quarry, Himmlisch Heer vein and others] lots of very nice and different fluorite xls, ranging from yellow, honey yellow, honey-brown, purple to almost black, also blue and green (the last especially in Dörfel quarry). Lots of the xls are zoned with yellow cores and purple to violet rims.

Germany, Saxony, Erzgebirge Mts., Freiberg mining district, Halsbrücke, Beihilfe mine very nice cubes up to 20 cm(!), usually slightly violet, but smaller ones also yellow, the biggest ones are from the 1960'ies, when galena has been mined in the former German Democratic Republic. There ist the famous "Blaue Druse" (blue cavity) with big violet fluorites and baryte blades up to 10 cm +. Very nice plates can be seen at the mineralogical collection at Freiberg University.

Germany, Saxony, Erzgebirge Mts., Zschopau, Heilige Dreifaltigkeit mine: besides the typical pyromorphite xls (green ones, often floaters or loose pieces up to several cm) the mine has produced yellow fluorite cubes and the greenish yellow (like white wine) scalenohedral (!) xls

Germany, Bavaria, Upper Palatinate, Wölsendorf-Naabburg fluorite mining district: has produced very good display specimens with cubes up to several cm. Mostly yellow or violet (up to nearly black due to radiation).

Germany, Baden-Württemberg, Black Forest localities (my main subject):

*Käfersteige Mine, Tiefenbronn: Very big, abandoned (1996) fluorite mine, has produced some fluorite specimen, mostly xls up to 1 cm, mostly white, but also yellow to pale green. Typically colorless fluorite is associated with nice emplectite needles.

*Hesselbach and Ödsbach veins: Abandoned fluorite mines, often green to blue cubes up to 40 cm(!) with good colour saturation. New findings are often violet with yellow zones.

*Clara Mine, Rankach Valley, Oberwolfach (just tell me how many text you need on this one, I will write you a nice text on it): still producing fluorite and baryte mine, xls up to several cm (the biggest ones have been up to 40 cm!). Fluorite can be found there today. Mostly colourless to white cubes, but violet ones are common, as well as massive black florite with uranium minerals.
Then there ar colourless micromount xls with lots of faces present, the last years root-like aggregates have been found.

*Wittichen mining district: While fluorite is rarely been found in xls (mostly pale yellow) in the inner part, where cobalt-silver ores have bben mined, it is more common in the outer rim of the district, where white to pale blue, rarely yellow xls up to several cm have been found. Typical locations are Johann mine (Burgfelsen(Castle Rock)) near Wittichen and Ilse mine near Kaltbrunn

*Segen Gottes mine, Haslach
Typically pale violet combination of (100) and (110), the veins have been really druzy, leading to druzes up to several dm, some can be seen, as it's open to visitors today. Smaller xls (thumbnail to MM-size) are pure (110)

*Artenberg quarry, Steinach: pale green, very nice fluorite octahedrons (up to 10 cm(!)) with calcite xls

*Münstertal mining district, Southern Black Forest: Especially the fluorite veins in the Mulden valley (Schindler, Teufelsgrund and Herrenwald veins), which have been mined up to the 1960'is, have produced lots of nice specimens. They are typically pale violet, but pale blue, white to colourless (especially the younger ones) are common. The biggest ones up to 50 cm! have bben found in the Herrenwald vein. Most of the big ones of the first generation are cubes. Aggregates of hexakisoctahedral xls up to 2 cm are common, too. Druzes have been up to 1 m. Now parts of the Schindler mine are open to visitors. Of special mineralogical interest are the small xls of the third generation, showing nearly ball-shaped combinations of different forms, often with 50 or more facets. Baryte is often associated with fluorite, as well as galena. More rarely native arsenic and pyrargyrite as well as sphalerite.

*Wieden mining district, Wieden, Southern Black Forest: (Tannenboden and Anton veins, Finstergrund vein) Bigger cavities, specimen up to 1 m or even bigger. Usually slightly violet to pale blue, smaller xls are often white to colourless. The xls can be up to 10 cm. Usually it is associated with white to brown (limonite covering) baryte roses. On specimens from Anton vein Hemimorphite roses are common.

* Todtnau mining district: Has been mined since the middle ages on galena, in 20th century on fluorite. Fluorite localities: Silberberg area (Maus, Dr. Tholus-Brunnen, Anna, Silberberg vein) near Fahl, Brandenberg and Rotwiesenbach veins near Brandenberg, Brandbach vein near Todtnau, Lisbühl vein near Schlechtnau. Good cubes up to 10 cm often pale green to blue, but also white, purple, even rose-coloured ones have been reported (but I've never seen one of such colour). Typically Baryte is associated with. Replacement of Fluorite by quartz is predominant in that area, leading to cabinet size specimen of quartz with cavities of former fluorites, such pieces have been found the last years at the Lisbühl vein.

*Gottesehre mining district: Fluorite xls have been not too frequent, but decent pieces with predominantly yellow cubes have been found in brecciated areas of the vein. Fluorite mining up to 1988. The mined Ruprecht vein reaches 7 km to the north (old Neue Hoffnung mine), where nice quartz with fluorite negatives have been found, covered by pyromorphite. There also thermoluminescent blue cubes occur.

Best regards,
Sebastian Möller
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 25, 2009 03:58PM
Sebastian,
Have you gone through the German fluorite images on mindat to see what might be usable to illustrate the article? I find that actually looking at the images of real specimens is a good way to focus my attention on what needs to be included, what might not and what localities I may have forgotten. When I see a likely looking candidate image in a mindat gallery, I copy its locality and URL into notepad or word. I then bring them over here and insert them into a thread posting where they will be handy to work with. I have about ten pictures of good German fluorites that I can scan and up load to Mindat, some of which might be candidates for the article. If you would like to try writing the article on German fluorites, Ill scan and up load them for you.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 25, 2009 05:49PM
de    
Hello,

So far I haven't looked at the mindat fluorite photos, but I will take a look these days.

You can see a very good article (in German) here: Fluorite1 and here Fluorite2.

I have several specimen from the Black Forest I can take photos of and include them. These are from Wieden, Münstertal, Artenberg, Clara mine, Käfersteige.

I would be very kind of you to upload your pictures but could you give me the localities first, so that I can include them? The list in my letter above is only a short list of some very famous lacalities that came to my mind first when I thought about German Fluorites. Most of the Black Forest and Erzgebirge Mts. locations I have visited myself.

Regards,
Sebastian Möller
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 25, 2009 07:35PM
Sebastian,
My old college German is not up to the task of translating your articles, but the specimens and images you used are mostly much better than those on the Mindat German Fluorite gallery. You even had some locality photos which we like to link to the articles when we can. Here is picture of a fluorite and Calcite specimen I got many hears ago from the Gordon Vaux collection. The locality given is the Churtring Mine, near Gross Schrima, near Freiberg, Saxony, Germany. I can't find any such mine in Mindat. What do you think? Very strange crystal shape. The other two are good specimens but the only localities I have are Germany. Perhaps the locality will be obvious to you. I have three more labeled only Gersdorf, one from Todtenau and another on siderite from Stolberg.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.



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avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 26, 2009 11:07AM
de    
Hello,

Thanks for the pictures. The third could be from Freiberg, Saxony, too. Looks like it's either Gersdorf or Halsbrücke.

The article isn't mine, but from Peter Seroka, a German collector and dealer. You could try to contact him, he is one of the people best knowing how to make an article on best fluorites worldwide. Most of the fluorite photos used there are from private collectors, of whom I know some. I could ask there if they would give me the permission to use their photos. It's a pity that the article is only in German language, as it would be of interest worldwide.

The localities are:

Churprinz mine, Halsbrücker Spatgang (Halsbrücke spar vein), Großschirma, 7 km NW of Freiberg, Saxony (have been there one time in the 1990'ies)

Gersdorf is: Segen Gottes mine,Gersdorf near Roßwein, Freiberg mining district, Saxony (this has produced very nice pale yellowish to greenish yellow cubes with baryte nuts).

Todtenau is actually Todtnau, Black Forest (one of my favorite collecting spots now)

Stolberg is in the Harz Mts., could be Stolberg itself or Rottleberode, both localities have produced fluorite, although Rottleberode is far more known for its Fluorite.

Regards,
Sebastian Möller



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avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 26, 2009 09:29PM
Sebastian,
Do you know Peter Seroka personally? If so why don't you approach him and see if he might be interested in helping with the project. I have sen't bill Dammeron (Barite Bill) an email asking him to check out what we are doing and to see if he might be interested in helping with the project.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 26, 2009 09:42PM
de    
Hello,

Rock: I have had limited contact (e-mails, messages) with both Peter Seroka and Barite Bill and I will send them both a message the next days.

I have tried to take some photos of my Fluorite specimens, but I have still to improve the quality. Most of the photos aren't still ready for a Best Minerals page.

Regards,
Sebastian Möller
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 27, 2009 02:00AM
Sebastian,
If you want you can send one or two of your pictures here as attachments these thread entries for comments on them. I may be able to help or not. I used to take a lot of pictures of minerals and think I learned a few things. I would like to get back into it, and have a good camera, but need to spend some money and get a good lighting system. Most of the guys who do it well spend more on their lighting systems than they do on their cameras.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 27, 2009 08:29AM
de    
Hi there,

some of the fluorite pictures in the article linked above were taken by me. I have put a lot more photographs of German, especially Saxon fluorites on mineralienatlas.de. My nickname there is "Schluchti", so the copyright is often stated this way. If you want to, you could use my pictures you like on mindat.org. Indeed a lot of my older pictures are of low quality. Some of the pictured specimens are not in my own collection, so please refer the owner of the specimens in the picture description, if they are not in my collection (you can see this in the row "Sammlung:" ).

You could check out especially the following pages, that give a preview to the newest pictures from fluorites from these localities on the subordinated pages (you could go to the subordinated pages by clicking e.g. "Bilder (max. 3) aus "Deutschland/Sachsen/Erzgebirge/Revier Annaberg/Frohnau" ). On the picture tables you could browse forward ( to the older pictures) by clicking the red highlighted "weiter >>". By clicking on a thumbnail you get a first preview of the picture. Full resolution you could get by clicking on "Originalbild in voller Größe und Qualität ansehen (eigenes Fenster)" above the picture.

Annaberg district

Poehla district

Freiberg district

Especially: Beihilfe mine

If I can help you in some way, let me know.

best regards
Thomas



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2009 12:44PM by Thomas Uhlig.
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 27, 2009 08:36AM
de    
Hello,

Rock: I will upload some this evening.

Thomas: Thanks for your help. I do really appreciate it. I send you a PN.

Regards,
Sebastian Möller
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 27, 2009 08:46AM
Thomas,
Some of your fluorites are pretty good specimens and I am sure would find a home in the German best minerals article. How much do you know about the localities that they come from? Pictures are an important part of what we are trying to do here, but equally or more important is to try and impart to the person looking at the articles is to put them in the picture on how good the specimens from a particular locality get, how abundant are the specimens from that locality, what the largest crystals are (I know that the specimens with the largest crystals are usually far from the best ones), when they were found etc. All the things that we as collectors learn about building our collections but is rarely recorded. Then of course after that we would like to have something of the geology associated with the specimens and the history of the locality. This need not be extensive, but the more detailed the better. Do you think you might be able to help with that?

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 27, 2009 09:00AM
de    
Hi Rock,

that would be no problem. I think, I could contribute some of the desired informations about these localities. I put them in here, as soon as I find some time for.

best regards
Thomas



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2009 09:01AM by Thomas Uhlig.
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
March 27, 2009 09:13AM
Thomas,
Thanks for your offer. Ill look forward to seeing what you can contribute. It is also important for us to know who has detailed knowledge of certain localities so we can to back to them and ask more questions.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: Fluorite, Germany
September 26, 2011 06:18PM
It looks like this thread is dormant.

Maybe some people would like to join and revive it....


Grube Gottesehre (Urberg) had some really lovely yellow fluorites

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Fluorite Gottesehre Mine, Urberg, 8x5 cm© Dr. Holger Klapproth


and Grube Tannenboden (Wieden) had some really big fluorites. The smaller ones were usally a lot less corroded...

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If this thread gets revived... I have plenty of black forest material I can photograph and now I also have a much better camera...

It would be a shame if the lovely German fluorites stay as neglected...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/22/2012 02:32PM by Holger Klapproth.
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
September 26, 2011 07:42PM
de    
Holger,
i would gladly join in but i have to finish german pyromorphites first and also pseudomalachite (which i will try to do so during long winter nights). Some people who wanted to contribute to the german pyros also went quite quiet winking smiley .. i am still waiting for the Schauinsland texts and for the Saxony pyro entries. The remaining Rhineland-Palatinate pyros are dealt with quite quickly. If i find time i´ll help with the german fluos of course

Juchem Quarry© MNHM/LS 2009

Cheers
Roger

P.S. just noticed Rock already had that fluo ...
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
September 26, 2011 07:47PM
nl    
Holger, your help would be very much appreciated!! It is indeed, like you say, about time that the German Fluorite article takes off again.
What you can do is to make photos of your Fluorites, add them to Mindat, and post the links to the photographs, together with information you have concerning the specimens and their localities, here in this topic.
When you or someone else would like to step up and take the lead in the further development of the German Fluorites, please let us know, so we can explain the ins and outs of composing an article.
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
September 27, 2011 01:03PM
I have done a little work on the German Fluorite article and have some more to to. In the next session I will finish tweaking the images and add in many of the suggestions made about it above. Pictures are nice and we can use better ones if you can provide them, but what we really need is commentary about the localities and the fluorite specimens they produce.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Re: Fluorite, Germany
September 27, 2011 09:56PM
Just saw the updates - great job !

Taking your hint, I will focus on some information on Germany fluorite locations in the next weeks. As I live in Freiburg (that is Freiburg in Breisgau) most of my literature is focused on Black Forest minerals. There is little I can little contribute to fluorites from Saxony.
avatar Re: Fluorite, Germany
September 27, 2011 10:14PM
Sebastian Möller

I have been working a little bit on the German Fluorite article, but it really needs someone like you to take it in hand. Would you be inclined to do that? I have started to work on the additions you have suggested, but it is going to take a lot of careful work and selecting of additional images. More important than that, you have much more knowledge than I do about the individual mines and could write the descriptions and comments that go beneath the images.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
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