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Mineralogical ClassificationPd4Sb3 name

12th May 2005 20:40 UTCFrank

If a new IMA approved mineral has not been published itself yet but has been mentioned in other official publications is it alright to now use that name?

This is the case e.g. for Catamarcaite, which is mentioned in the Putzite description paper. In that case the IMA # is mentioned.

Here the case is more complicated: The paper on Naldrettite (MINERALOGICAL MAGAZINE 69 (1): 89-97 FEB 2005) mentions “Other rarer associated minerals include a second new mineral (ungavaite, Pd4Sb3)” but I believe not the IMA #. However from the same mine there is 2004-020 with the same formula.

I am just wondering as there is much contention about at what point a name can be used

Frank

12th May 2005 20:57 UTCMarco E. Ciriotti

Yes Frank,IMA 2004-020 is likely ungavaite.

12th May 2005 22:52 UTCFrank

Marco,

may question was more whether one should still refrain from using the name Ungavaite or whether it is OK...

Frank

13th May 2005 01:42 UTCJim Ferraiolo

The author of the new mineral can release, or give permission to use, any of the data of the approved mineral, including the name. Even though the name has not had its description published formally, it has been used in print. Therefore, there is no reason not to use the name. It's probably better to wait for the formal description, but if the author wants to release the name prior to publication (or sell specimens to a dealer), that's allowable.

13th May 2005 08:49 UTCMarco E. Ciriotti

Frank,

Jim preceded my reply. Jim preceded my reply. Authors cited her new approved unpublished mineral: this is undoubtedly correct; but with permission can cited also new approved unpublished minerals worked by others.

Ciao.

13th May 2005 18:34 UTCJolyon

If the mineral has been named publically (if referenced in another paper), then yes we use the name on mindat.

Otherwise the format is something like:

Unnamed (Pd Sb Sulfide)

if there is no IMA number

and

IMA2003-004

if there is.

Jolyon

13th May 2005 22:38 UTCFrank

Can someone add either Pd4Sb3 either as 2004-020 (preferable) or Ungavaite (personally I would wait until a publication shows both name and IMA #)?

Also, how can I change IMA 2001-005 to synonym for Verbeekite, or does this need to be done by someone else?

I would be happy to add new IMA approved minerals and all available information of the mineral groups I am interested in again (IMA 2003-056, 2004-032, 2004-047, 2004-048) but I certainly understand that you restrict who can add or delete minerals!

Frank

14th May 2005 04:16 UTCMarcelo Machado Brum

Hello,friends!

The use of unpublished names of minerals without permission of authors is not problem for me.For example I cited whelanite because it name are cited many times in more of one publication.But the complete publication of the mineral whelanite no found at light now.Other example is wadalite who is not published in all complete terms but are used in many publications.The real problem is the non publication of the complete description in the time.In my opinion only the chancel of IMA number and aprovation by CNNMN is necessary for the acepted use in my archives.I don't expected TEN years for the inclusion of a mineral in my archives!

Thanks for your atention

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