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DeBeers blue ground with diamond
Posted by Ken Ceglady
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DeBeers blue ground with diamond December 25, 2011 11:52PM |
Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 466 |
Hello and happy holidays.
I'm seeking information on an item I just obtained. It is a table cigarette lighter with a body consisting of a block of clear acrylic. Inside the block is a 3cm piece of kimberlite with a rough diamond crystal. It is labeled:
DB De Beers
Industrial Diamond Division
A Rough Diamond in Blue Ground
See photos.
The kimberlite is green and appears quite fresh, and will undoubtedly remain so. Does anyone know when this was made, or to whom it was distributed? Likely from a South African pipe?
Thanks.
Ken
I'm seeking information on an item I just obtained. It is a table cigarette lighter with a body consisting of a block of clear acrylic. Inside the block is a 3cm piece of kimberlite with a rough diamond crystal. It is labeled:
DB De Beers
Industrial Diamond Division
A Rough Diamond in Blue Ground
See photos.
The kimberlite is green and appears quite fresh, and will undoubtedly remain so. Does anyone know when this was made, or to whom it was distributed? Likely from a South African pipe?
Thanks.
Ken
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond December 26, 2011 07:34AM |
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Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 39 |
Ken,
It's not much, but here's a little info on what may be a similar (or same) item as yours.....
Jan
Rare De Beers Industrial Diamond Div Cigarette Lighter
It's not much, but here's a little info on what may be a similar (or same) item as yours.....
Jan
Rare De Beers Industrial Diamond Div Cigarette Lighter
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond December 26, 2011 08:35PM |
Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 466 |
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond December 27, 2011 05:02PM |
Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 166 |
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond December 27, 2011 06:38PM |
Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 466 |
John:
Good question. It appears that the diamond is slightly in the matrix. Can't rule out falsification, but can't prove it either. The diamond is about a quarter or third of a carat, octahedral with modified edges, white, and transparent with flaws.
I don't smoke, so I found a great use for it as a display for other gem quality diamonds. A gem cup fits nicely in the hole with the lighter popped out.
Good question. It appears that the diamond is slightly in the matrix. Can't rule out falsification, but can't prove it either. The diamond is about a quarter or third of a carat, octahedral with modified edges, white, and transparent with flaws.
I don't smoke, so I found a great use for it as a display for other gem quality diamonds. A gem cup fits nicely in the hole with the lighter popped out.
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond December 27, 2011 06:56PM |
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond December 27, 2011 07:16PM |
Registered: 5 years ago Posts: 157 |
The diamond appears to be in lucite, acrylic or another resin material. These types of things (usually not kimberlites) are typically given to employees as tokens of appreciation or milestones. My guess would be it was a gift to an employee, an award or a prominent buyer of their product.
I have been to a place that makes these types of things. They can put all sorts of material in the resin (golfballs, watches, etc).
With the lighter attached, this one seems to be a little more functional than your typical acrylic plaque/award.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/27/2011 07:23PM by Bryan Manke.
I have been to a place that makes these types of things. They can put all sorts of material in the resin (golfballs, watches, etc).
With the lighter attached, this one seems to be a little more functional than your typical acrylic plaque/award.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/27/2011 07:23PM by Bryan Manke.
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond December 27, 2011 07:38PM |
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond April 01, 2012 08:03AM |
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond April 03, 2012 02:18PM |
Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 466 |
Carly:
The diamond in the acrylic in this case appears white or off-white in person. It may appear greenish in the pictures because the matrix below it (the kimberlite) is green.
Green diamonds do occur; this color is usually the result of residing next to a natural radiation source for a long period of time (in a secondary source like a stream). Radiation causes damage to the crystal lattice resulting in a green color.
The diamond in the acrylic in this case appears white or off-white in person. It may appear greenish in the pictures because the matrix below it (the kimberlite) is green.
Green diamonds do occur; this color is usually the result of residing next to a natural radiation source for a long period of time (in a secondary source like a stream). Radiation causes damage to the crystal lattice resulting in a green color.
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond April 03, 2012 03:09PM |
Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 533 |
I am sure that the diamond crystal was stuck onto the matrix, and I have seen a similar type of your specimen but it wasn't with a lighter, it was only in a cube of clear acrylic plastic, I saw it in Idar-Oberstein, Germany, and I was told that it came from a dealer of industrial diamonds in Germany!
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond April 03, 2012 07:34PM |
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond April 03, 2012 09:04PM |
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond April 04, 2012 12:04AM |
Registered: 4 years ago Posts: 216 |
I found this topic interesting and thought I'd help out by searching for that particular De Beers logo (I have a graphic design degree and have always found historic logos interesting). I found this page, which may be of interest to you: [www.vintageadbrowser.com]
They have dozens of De Beers ads on that website going back to 1940, and I clicked through them until I saw the logo used on your lighter. The first ad that it appears on is from 1966, and then it appears to have been used in advertising until around 1969 when it disappears again. It may have been used earlier/later than these years, but I can't find any other ads where they used it beyond these dates. Maybe you can use this info to narrow your searches a little bit.
And, just to toss in my two cents, it does look like the diamond was added to the matrix by hand.
They have dozens of De Beers ads on that website going back to 1940, and I clicked through them until I saw the logo used on your lighter. The first ad that it appears on is from 1966, and then it appears to have been used in advertising until around 1969 when it disappears again. It may have been used earlier/later than these years, but I can't find any other ads where they used it beyond these dates. Maybe you can use this info to narrow your searches a little bit.
And, just to toss in my two cents, it does look like the diamond was added to the matrix by hand.
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Re: DeBeers blue ground with diamond April 04, 2012 07:35PM |
Registered: 3 years ago Posts: 466 |
Dan, that's exactly the information I was looking for! Thanks a bunch! I searched for the logo, but not knowing about the vintage ad site, I was unable to find it.
As I said, I don't know if it is authentic or not, and am making no claims or assumptions. I'm treating it as a mining industry relic. And now I have a rather narrow time frame!
Kelly: I may resort to contacting DeBeers, if I can figure out how best to do so.
As I said, I don't know if it is authentic or not, and am making no claims or assumptions. I'm treating it as a mining industry relic. And now I have a rather narrow time frame!
Kelly: I may resort to contacting DeBeers, if I can figure out how best to do so.
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