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Posted by Kristi Hugs
Kristi Hugs August 11, 2007 05:12PMYes, I know its a hooey name, what I want to know is what it is...really.
It looks like snow quartz or milky quartz but does anyone know why it is being called Metamorphosis Quartz?
here is a website that carries it, just want your opinions. thanks!!
Pete Nancarrow August 11, 2007 10:32PMMetamorphosis means "Change", and they are probably hoping people will part with some of their change to buy these very ordinary bits of quartz of the sort that anyone could find on thousands of mine dumps, or even simply as stream pebbles in the right terrain. (And some obviously are buying it, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time polishing and advertising it.)
It's just another marketing hype, a way of selling some rather turbid common quartz. Polish it up a bit, call it an exotic-sounding name people will not recognise, and they'll think it's something rare and pay more for it. It probably occurs as massive vein material, without good crystal terminations, and wouldn't sell if pitched alongside limpid rock crystal, amethyst etc. if it was correctly described simply as lumps of polished quartz. And if they can create a market for it, the supply of cheap source material is almost limitless.
Karsten Eig August 13, 2007 01:38PMPretty polished stuff, would be nice to have one as decoration. But the "metamorphosis" here is just the usual metaphysical fluff.
Since quartz is the second most common mineral in earth's crust, it would probably noty make the same marketing smash to say that it has been geologically metamorhosed!
Kristi June 03, 2008 07:40PMI grabbed a piece today and you know what it looks like? Girasol!! or what some call titanium in quartz. it has almost a non-fiery opalized look to it. Doesn't get me any closer to what it really is, but I had to share!
Amir Akhavan June 03, 2008 09:08PMHi Kristi,
please forgive me, but what the h..k is "girasol"?
Is there any consistent definition, like something that more than one person agrees on?
I googled one definition saying it's some kind of hyalite, another one says it's an orange opal, another one says "opalized quartz" (however this is supposed to work - this is a worse term than "petrified rock"), and so on.
What you got looks like a fragment of hyalite (in the wider sense of the term, cololess opal) to me, could also be very pale rose quartz or translucent vein quartz.
To distinguish opal from quartz without relying on the nasty scratch tests or optical methods, you could simply measure its specific weight, but you need to work very exactly.
Opal: 1.9-2.5 (usually below 2.3), Quartz: 2.65
Jim Bean June 04, 2008 02:40AMThe (latest) pic looks like gemmy Madagascan rose quartz to me. Titanium used to be attributed to the rose coloring in rose quartz, but dumortierite is now believed to be the cause of the color.
Maybe that's how they worked titanium into what they called this stuff.
Ted Kepling June 19, 2008 01:07PMNot to be confused with Metaquartzite , a metamorphic rock of many colors . Sold as raspberry , strawberry Quartz . The metamorphic part almost never added to the quote . I`m not sure most people even know this . This metmorphosis quartz is not metaquartzite , I dont know what it is though .
Harjo Neutkens July 02, 2008 07:28AMHm, strange, girasol.......I know girasole is the Italian name for sunflower (tournesol in French; gira or tourne for turning, sole or sol for sun), didn't know that some nutcases somehow somewhere decided to name ordinary pieces of quartz or opal like that.
The real metamorphosis here is that the person who believes all this rubbish and buys it will enter a higher state of ignorance and the one selling this garbage a higher state of conmanship.
Believe me, people will buy anything, a famous Italian "Fluxus" artist in the sixties (Pietro Manzoni) once made a piece of art about this phenomenon.....he putt his own shit (literaly!!!) in a tincan, labled it saying "merda d'artista" and believe me or not, they went to famous collections and leading art galleries and musea all over the world and if you want to by a cann with his crap nowadays you'll have to pay a lot of money, go figure......
Here's a pic of the artist's shit, Sothebys sold one last year for 124.000 Euros!!
Harjo (who is about to make a metamorphic cup of coffee to counter the effects imposed by the highly metamorphic wine from last night......)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/02/2008 07:33AM by Harjo Neutkens.
AwenDawn October 21, 2008 08:39AMThought you might enjoy this. Awen :)
TEXTURAL FEATURES OF METAMORPHIC QUARTZ AS REVEALED BY SCANNED CATHODOLUMINESCENCE (SEM-CL): POTENTIAL USE IN PROVENANCE STUDIES
TENNISON, Evelyn1, SCHIEBER, Juergen1, and KRINSLEY, David2, (1) Geology, The Univ of Texas at Arlington, Arlington, TX 76019, email@example.com, (2) Geological Sciences, 1272 Univ of Oregon, Eugene, OR 97403-1272
Monotonous under the petrographic microscope, quartz grains show a range of textural features when examined by SEM-CL. Preliminary studies have shown that quartz grains from different sources (volcanic, plutonic, metamorphic) differ in appearance when examined by SEM-CL. In this study, metamorphic source rocks, soils, and stream sediments from the Llano Uplift in Texas were surveyed for SEM-CL features, with the objective to ultimately use the results for provenance studies. The textures observed in the metamorphic rocks under study (schist and gneiss) include: (1) low to moderate intensity mottled/patchy CL with smooth gradients between areas of different intensity; (2) semi parallel bands/lineations of differing CL intensity; (3) cataclasic texture reflecting fragmentation and subsequent cementation/healing, and (4) low intensity (dark) lineations. Texture (1) is interpreted as a result of metamorphic annealing that obliterated pre-existing CL features; texture (2) is considered a reflection of slip/gliding during deformation at high pressures and temperatures; and deformation at somewhat lower P/T conditions deformation may have produced the fracturing seen in texture (3). Field relationships suggest that the dark lineations of texture (4) originated as fractures related to stress caused by granitic intrusions, and were healed with quartz deposited by hydrothermal fluids. These features survive without alteration into soils and stream sediments, but their recognition is grain-size dependent. Sand size or larger quartz grains typically allow identification of the metamorphic source, whereas at coarse silt size approximately 50% of the quartz grains can still be identified as metamorphic. At finer grain sizes the proportion of identifiable grains drops sharply. Because quartz is chemically and mechanically very resistant, as well as ubiquitous in most sediments, understanding SEM-CL features from different source rock types has the potential to greatly aid provenance determination.
GSA Annual Meeting, November 5-8, 2001
General Information for this Meeting
Session No. 30--Booth# 16
Stratigraphy (Posters) I: Silisiclastic
Hynes Convention Center: Hall D
1:30 PM-5:30 PM, Monday, November 5, 2001
Ray Ladbury October 21, 2008 04:59PMP. T. Barnum said it best: "There's a sucker born every minute." However, this is now out of date. Assuming that the proportion of suckers has stayed the same as global population has increased, we can now conclude that there is a sucker born every 15 seconds or so.
Mirabai October 25, 2008 11:32PMAfter doing some research, I agree with Debbie on the Girasol. Since I began buying stones several years ago, this material was introduced to me as Girasol and it is what I have always called it. I noticed several years later the same vendor was calling it Titanium Quartz and then last year he called it metamorphosis quartz. I suppose old material with a brand new name sells better :)
Donald Vaughn October 26, 2008 06:37PMreading that web sounds like something out of a dungeons and dragons game "used to immediately increase ones aura"
now I can defeat that level fifty mage who's got that azeztulite I need to defeat the level 60 dragon master who's powered by the melody stone. The only thing that is going to immediately increase is the size of the sellers pocket book .
David Kobliha November 05, 2008 03:09PMI have over 400kgs of this material in rough format in Brazil. It is natural and not that common to find. There were some nice cabochons made from it and selling at the Teofilo Otoni Stone fair this year in Brazil. I have may the rough into spheres, points, and skulls. Very nice material and very little inclusions in some pcs. Some of the rough material also came in shades and light smokey and light rose quartz (all natural).
Marjorie February 22, 2009 03:05PMhaha! You guys are funny...very funny conversation :)
In metaphysical circles (the sincere ones, not the idiots who are just renaming stuff and hyping it/marketing it) true metamorphosis quartz (which was highligted by Melody for its nice energy) comes only from Brazil. I am not a gemologist or a geologist yet (would love to get those degrees someday). The stones that I have, which are the real stuff from Brazil do have that same inner glow to them as the Madagascar Star Rose quartz. I am not familiar enough with Girasol to comment on that, but from your informed conversation above, it doesn't sound like girasol is a true mineral name but more of a slang catch all term for a few different stones.
As far as laughing at all people who believe that crystals carry energy and metaphysical properties...well, laughter is good for the heart and I don't think this hurts anyone. But I do offer you something to think about--I am an MD who loves crystals AND science. I also love the latest material we are learning in quantum physics that helps us understand how everything is connected (entanglement), everything is energy, and we are actually creating things as we go along (google the Copenhagen Experiment or read the book "The Field" by Lynn Mctaggert or watch What the Bleep do We Know if you want to understand more).
They laughed at Columbus as he sailed off telling him that he would fall off the earth guys. You just may be that same laughing crowd ;) Some of us understand a little more of what's up than others...but we all are exactly where we are supposed to be I guess.
"There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy..." --Shakespeare
Marjorie February 22, 2009 03:11PMOh, a quick PS : At the Tucson Gem and Mineral Show this year, there was a guy selling trademarked "2012 Quartz"...too funny! That is the kind of guy you are talking about, I know. These people even make those of us who understand that crystals have energy fall over laughing. If there is a trademark involved, I usually run the other way. How can you trademark what the earth gives us? People are silly!
Peter Nancarrow February 22, 2009 07:15PMUwe, I know where you are going with that thought, and I know comments such as "everything is energy" and references to "sincere metaphysics" are about as meaningful as pseudo-philosophical statements such as "infinity is all around you!", but before you do close this thread, I would just like to add that I have to agree with Marjorie on at least a couple of points:
1) I can highly recommend "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart, that Marjorie refers to above, and I think that anyone who is interested in one or more of quantum mechanics, psychology, or science fiction would enjoy it.
It is a very interesting example of a well-written dissertation that subtly wraps up ideas from the outer realms of real science with distorted perception and metaphysics in such a convoluted manner that the boundaries become very indistinct, and its cryptic irrationality could almost convince a true sceptic like myself, so it's not surprising that those who tend to believe in the paranormal would find it utterly convincing. I was about halfway through it before I began to wonder whether I was in fact reading a scientific masterpiece in the "Spinal Tap" mould. It does for quantum mechanics what Graham Hancock's writings do for Egyptology, and is on my bookshelves amongst the works of the Richards Dawkins & Feynman, Isaac Asimov, Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams and Immanuel Velikovsky (but closer to the latter end of the shelf).
And point 2) ? Oh yes - people are indeed silly.
PS Apologies to the OP; I know this is way off-topic, and nothing to do with "Metamorphosis Quartz", but some things need to be countered.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/22/2009 07:16PM by Peter Nancarrow.
Owl Woman October 28, 2009 09:37PMIt is sad to see folks who have no natural curiosity about the possibilty that these stories might be true. I am a member of the Society for Scientific Exploration. This is a group of Phd's who formed this organization so that they could study unexplained phenomena without "the world is flat" bunch ridiculing them. I have taken the time to search and question and to sort through the rubble for the fine grains of alchemical gold. I have only begun to fathom the mysteries that are there to be found. I am so excited to have found that my rock friends can awaken in my hands and radiate an amazing energy. Bet you didn't know that they are living beings. But be assured they will not reveal themselves to rock heads.
Kyle Beucke October 28, 2009 10:51PMThere are also Ph.D.'s who are creationists, but that doesn't mean that I believe in that too. When you "want" to believe in something, that doesn't give one iota of support for it. And the thing about sorting through all of the "bad data" to find that one little piece of evidence (or hearsay, or "lore"), while disregarding the rest, is what really bothers scientists.
I actually wonder if some of this crystal healing stuff may be related to OCD, as I have dealt with that in the past, and I think that it lends itself to "magical thinking."
Anonymous User October 28, 2009 11:21PM"There are also Ph.D.'s who are creationists, but that doesn't mean that I believe in that too. When you "want" to believe in something, that doesn't give one iota of support for it. And the thing about sorting through all of the "bad data" to find that one little piece of evidence (or hearsay, or "lore"winking smiley, while disregarding the rest, is what really bothers scientists. "
Well said :)
Just because someone has a PhD doesn't mean they have common sense or know how science works.
Common sense and proper use of the scientific method must be used in all regions of scientific inquiry, sadly some people just don't get it and squint until they see some "evidence" that they think corroborates their hypotheses. Science is based on skepticism, not belief.
As for crystals being magical, that's just cosmik debris (if you don't know what that means; Frank Zappa 1974).
Bri Dragonne October 30, 2009 05:22PMWhile I do not begrudge someone for having beliefs that contradict mine, I do get quite sick of these marketing ploys from New Age profiteers.
If someone wants to say 'My rock friend awakens my third chakra and speaks to me in my dreams'...well, enjoy.
I like holding rocks and rockhunting.
I have a mid-level knowledge of minerals (Primarily gem minerals) and I appreciate minerals on many levels.
What I cannot stomach is that section (Amazingly large) of the New Age movement that links spirituality with how much money you spend.
Please, do NOT insult my intelligence.
This is not a debate about what stodgy science-types believe and what the enlightened New Ager's believe.
It's about people scamming other people out of money by selling low-grade material that they buy for $1 a kilo, saying that feeling it gives them an inner light of angelic visions and then selling it for $144 a pound, or about 290x what they paid for it.
Why not sell it for $2 a kilo and double their money?
Instead of being greedy and selling it for $144 a pound?
Is this enlightenment?
So, don't try to make this a disagreement about believers and non believers Owl Woman and Marjorie.
Most people on this board are not likely appalled by the fact that someone has New Age beliefs.
Where the real indignation comes from is seeing this kind of scam go on year after year after year.
How do you equate our supposed ignorance with our annoyance at this kind of scam?
It's a scam, not because of the ideas behind this kind of item, but because it's someone ripping off someone else by selling them $1 a kilo material for $144 a pound.
Pure and simple.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2009 05:30PM by Bri Dragonne.
Jamey Swisher November 01, 2009 02:48AMGirasol quartz comes from Madagascar or Brazil, I can not remember anymore sorry, it is so named after the Girasol Opal which it looks quite a bit like. It has an internal glow like rose quartz or girasol opal does. Some of it even exhibits an asterism(star). The stuff referred to as Girasol Quartz is the stuff with a sort of blusih glow to it like the opal. There is another type I have seen that exhibits more of a golden glow as well. I believe that technically it is just a white/milky quartz that is transparent and not opaque or translucent. The stuff that exhibits the asterism is really beautiful!! Truthfully it all is, the regualr stuff with just the bluish glow looks amazingly beautiful when it is faceted!! It is often sold on Ebay by unscrupulous dealers as Girasol Opal. The confusion is to me, I was always taught that the clear opal with the bluish glow was jelly or water opal, and that Girasol opal was yellow or orange opal where the play of color followed the light source as it was turned.
But either way, that is what they are referring to as Girasol Quartz. It is merely a transparent to semi-transparent form of milky quartz that has some sort of microscopic silk/schiller that causes a bluish glow and/or asterism.
In the gemstone trade, it is called Girasol Quartz, named after the opal of similar appearance.
Bri Dragonne November 01, 2009 09:36AMHi Jamey.
I tend to think of 'Girasol Quartz' as extremely pale Rose Quartz.
I would guess that the 'Girasol' effect is due to the interference of light by microscopic crystals of something, probably Dumortierite. That is, breaking up the light into a sort of soft, colourless glowy effect.
Which is exactly the same as you get from the translucent Rose Quartz from Madagascar, only paler.
That being said, I think a great deal of the so-called 'Girasol Quartz' is actually just slightly milky Quartz.
And almost all of the 'Girasol Opal' that I've seen is actually either glass (Also called 'Opalite' :S) or Rose Quartz (Usually the paler kind.)
Jamey Swisher November 02, 2009 06:46AMNot quite sure, the material I have seen is completely clear, transparent to semi-transparent, has a blue glow/sheen to it, reminds one a lot of the blue sheen moonstone only much more translucent. It looks just like Girasol or Water Opal. I have never seen any that doesn't exhibit a strong blue glow, so it couldn't just be milky quartz, there has to be something else going on. It reminds me of a clear/white version of the Rose Quartz from the Hog Mine in GA except the glow is blue. If someone is calling lighter milky quartz with no blue sheen/glow and no asterism, Girasol Quartz then they are taking people for even more of a ride, lol. I believe at one time the TV shows were even calling this Girasol Quartz stuff blue moon quartz or something like that, lol. Seems whatever it takes to make a buck. I stuck with the Girasol Quartz name simply because of the Opal it looks like, perfect trade name for faceted/jewelry products IMHO.
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