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moldavite pricing

Posted by Derek Pyle  
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Derek Pyle January 29, 2010 07:58PM
What is reasonable price for Moldavite by the gram (and what price for various sizes/grades)?
thanks
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Adam Kelly January 30, 2010 12:27AM
$3-$10 per gram.
Depending on quality, quantity, and if it is wholesale or retail.
I tyr to pay 3 or 4 bucks wholesale.
Granted, I cherry pick the best pieces and beat them up on price.
AK
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Craig Mercer January 30, 2010 01:25AM
Yeah Adam's basically correct, althought the heavily sculptured specimens such as the one of mine attached can sell for much much more.





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Adam Kelly January 30, 2010 01:59AM
Craig,
Thats the best besednice I seen in a while.
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John Stolz January 30, 2010 03:15AM
::o gosh
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Craig Mercer January 30, 2010 03:43AM
Thanks Adam. I have a couple of others I would like to show you, I'll phootograph them this evening and attach to this thread.

Kindest regards,
Craig.
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Adam Kelly January 30, 2010 04:38AM
Sweet!
I look forward to it.
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Craig Mercer January 30, 2010 05:33AM
Sorry about the photo quality, the lighting wasn't so good today, but you can get the general idea of how heavily sculptured they are.

Anyway hope you enjoy them.

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Craig Mercer January 30, 2010 05:34AM
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Tomasz Praszkier January 30, 2010 09:06AM
Prices of moldaivites are very variable - depend on locality, sculpture and weight. Poor quality can cost 3-5$. Normal quality cost about 5-6 $/g. Good quality cost about 20 $/g (wholesale price). Big specimens are more expensive, especially if more than 20 grams.

Tom

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"Spirifer" Geological Society
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Derek Pyle February 02, 2010 11:27PM
thanks for all the responses - haven't had a chance to check in for a minute. what about meteorites? specifically, i met somebody this weekend with meteorites from four corners / Southwest areas.
thanks so much
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Adam Kelly February 04, 2010 03:19AM
Meteorite can vary in price so widely it would be impossible to start pricing without detailed descreption of the piece.
A 1 gram piece of rare meteorite could sell for more than a ten pound Canyon Diablo. AKA "Meteor Crater Arizona"
AK
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Rusty James March 08, 2010 10:05PM
The Czechs (as the Brazilians do with a lot of quartzes) tend to increase the price for larger pieces. Small pieces are less per gram, while larger pieces command more. In some instances, it doesn't make sense to me, but that's how they evaluate it. So it really depends on what you are looking for. There are a lot of different qualities, sizes, localities, shapes, color, etc, that affect price. If you want "ordinary" or common moldavite, undamaged, less than 10 gram pieces should cost no more than $5 a gram, possibly less depending on where and from whom you buy them. "Collector" pieces are either high by the gram, or by the piece. Besednice pieces (the most popular "collector" pieces) have sold for $25 a gram in the past, and I have recently seen the prices go up to $40 a gram. That doesn't mean you can't find it for less, but it is not as common. It is a very small deposit that has been mined out for some time. There is currently a significant shortage of 20-30 gram pieces for cutting and carving at the "old" prices.
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Vítězslav Snášel April 15, 2010 05:20AM
Moldavites price grows exponentially with the size and weight of the stone and its price is also
influenced by whether it's a complete piece (a complete drop, disk, etc.) or to damage, etc. The most expensive pieces are from the site Besednice - Moldavite they have a rich surface sculpture. It is very difficult to say exactly what the price is based moldavites because of her decision, many factors - size, shape, surface sculpture, location, color, etc.
Moldavite can be two of the same size and shape, and from two localities, and among them is a big difference in price.
For unique pieces, the price really high and it is due to the fact that these pieces is really just a few http://www.mindat.org/photo-279233.html .



When I have free time, and for complementing a Mindat database I will be send more photos moldavites.
Until now I have more details of the surfaces, but did start to gradually add photo units.
I think the best way to present a photo Moldavit is done so that you'll hold in my hand to avoid any doubt about the size and color;) . I have yet to devise a suitable background.

Vita



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Vítězslav Snášel April 15, 2010 05:35AM
Hi Craig,
taken from me, congratulations!
You have a really wonderful piece with absolutely fantastic sculpture!

Vita



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David Hermanson May 21, 2013 02:20AM
Hi all...

I'm new to this site, I found it tonight and love collecting rough gemstones and crystals. I was wondering if anyone could please direct me to a great place to buy a moldivite? I would love to learn how to get things wholesale or,
at least, at prices better than what I find at gem and rock shows around St. Louis.

This is a cool site, thanks!

Dave
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Rock Currier May 21, 2013 11:02AM
Usually buying a single or few specimens will not allow you to buy them at wholesale. Wholesale means that you buy a whole lot of them. Your best bet it to attend the Tucson Gem and Mineral show where many dealers from all parts of the world show up and you negotiate with them to get the best price you can. Some are open to negotiation and some not. Some will want to know how much you want to buy, but if you just tell them you want one of their best specimens at a cheap price you will likely not get much of a price reduction.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
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Owen Lewis (2) May 21, 2013 11:54AM
Hi Dave,

Welcome!

To buy at real wholesale as opposed to 'claimed' wholesale prices, you need to be in the trade and, if asked, able to produce evidence that you are. More often that not, it also means that ou need to buy in quantity rather than as singleton pieces. That said, one can often find sellers who who sell at one keen price to all comers, discounting that price according to the quantity sold. 'Cash and carry' warehouses are one example of the latter, That's OK so long as you know what you are doing. Be careful. There is at least one net auction site that advertises that its trade is wholesale but a quick look at seller's start/buy seems to show that many are pitching for the less savvy retail buyer.

Price is subject to a load of variables, such as different markets, market demand, perceptions of rarity and of quality. My personal experience of rock 'n gem shows is 'mixed'. I've found large 'international' shows open to the public a disappointment; too many tons of dreck to wade through before coming across something interesting - and then single crystal prices are not cheap. However, if I was a lapidarist I might well have a different opinion. OTOH, the much smaller local rock 'n gem shows quite often present real bargains to the 'one off' retail buyer - and a reasonable discount can often be negotiated on top of that for multiple purchases from the same stand. I have a thumbnail slice specimen of textbook amazonite showing exsolved albite that cost me exactly GBP 1.00/USD 1.50. That's a price that covers the costs of mining, wholesaling, preparation and transportation for many thousand miles? Bought at a mineral net auction a similar piece might be USD 5.00 or so - and add up to another USD 1.00 - 11.00(!!!) per TN for routine shipping (no insurance), depending on the seller. Yes, some net sellers see their shipping charges as a 'profit centre'. So don't give up on going to local shows yet awhile...

Good luck!
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David Hermanson May 21, 2013 02:59PM
Thanks all for the advice. I was in New Mexico and found some good prices last summer. I would have bought
more if I knew they were better prices than here in St. Louis and cooler quality but live and learn. Last night I
purchased a fairly nice piece of moldivite from a vendor in Poland, It's twelve point eight grams
for around a hundred bucks and pretty nice shape and quality...etc...is that about average? a little less than
eight bucks a gram?? How did I do? Thanks again,

Dave
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Owen Lewis (2) May 21, 2013 10:42PM
Your picture is too small to be able to tell, but - if it is moldavite - at 8 bucks a gram retail, you surely have not been robbed smiling smiley

I think I paid USD 27 for mine which is 14 ct (just under 3g), but the colour is less vivid than that seen in your pic and the form is much closer to that some moldavites (like Craig's) have of air-cooled liquid glass projectiles. Where was yours collected?
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David Hermanson May 22, 2013 12:13AM
Thanks, that makes me feel better. In fact here is a large pic of the moldivite. What do you think:
* dimensions: ~ 36 x 25 x 12 mm ! (over 1-3/8'' inches wide ! - 3.6 cm !)
* weight: 64 ct ! (12.8 grams !)
101.00$
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David Hermanson May 22, 2013 12:20AM
Let me try that again, I just posted on here but it didn't show up. Maybe there's a lag time??
Anyway, I said thanks that makes me feel better about buying the moldivite and here is a bigger
pic I found: * dimensions: ~ 36 x 25 x 12 mm ! (~1-3/8'' inches wide - 3.6 cm ) and * weight: 64 ct (12.8 grams )
open | download - 12.8 Gram Moldivite.JPG (48.4 KB)
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Owen Lewis (2) May 22, 2013 01:27AM
Not the common form but there are some similar in form found in South Bohemia. The colour looks over-bright to me but that may result from a combination of the back-lighting and the small pixel count of pic ( compression of too much data onto a relatively few data points). Also, a high nickel content in some pieces from South Bohemia can produce a stronger green than is commonly seen.The size is largeish (bigger than mine!) but not exceptional.

The only way to thoroughly examine a piece is under a microscope and preferably in an immersion bath of benzene or else distilled water with a drop or two of surfactant added. This is best way to examine the interior of a specimen for its inclusions, some being strong indicators of Moldavite. Though no certain indicator in itself, the known range for the SG of moldavite is reasonably tight (and if a piece lies in this range, it's good supporting evidence of ID) The SG of my piece (collected in South Bohemia) is 2.36 which is the average (mode) for specimens collected in that region.

The best guide I know to the variations on moldavite form and colour is http://www.geology.cz/bulletin/fulltext/04trnkafinal.pdf .
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David Hermanson May 22, 2013 01:41AM
Wow! I never realized there was so much to them. In English, did I do OK? smiling smiley
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Stephanie Martin May 22, 2013 04:13AM
Hi David,

You did ok, but I would caution you that the backlit photo makes it look much more vivid green than it will be in your hand when you receive it. But you should know this as you have seen them in the flesh.

To answer Owen's question, David's piece is from Chlum.

regards,
stephanie smiling smiley
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David Hermanson May 22, 2013 04:17AM
Thanks,

I've been spending way too much money on crystals lately,

D.
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David Hermanson May 22, 2013 12:05PM
So how do you become a dealer? Do you need a tax resale number or...?
Any recommendations on other good places you can get "wholesale" or decent prices??
I"d really appreciate it. I just picked up a pallasite and a few other items
from e-bay and don't see myself stopping anytime soon. It's quite addictive for me :)

thanks!
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Owen Lewis May 22, 2013 02:36PM
Like the lady says, you done good!smiling smiley

Dealing (in anything) is a business. It's about making a profit from buying and selling. Spending money buying is easy; buying at a price that will let you sell at a sensible profit and in a reasonable timeframe is not so easy, and needs very good knowledge of the merchandise and of a whole range of market values. Best not to love the merchandise too much as that makes for weak purchasing decisions and, like the alcoholic bar owner, it's only too easy to end up drinking all the profits.

Some states require you to have a business licence but not all do (the UK does not). Most states require you to register to administer their sales tax regime before your annual sales pass above some arbritrary threshold. It's also best from the outset to have some trading name and to operate a bank account in that name; it helps keep business and personal finances - and tax affairs! - strictly separate.

How much is a 'sensible' profit? The answer is more than you'd probably think. In low volume businesses, a 100% markup on the buying price is a sensible rule of thumb. So, in deciding to buy at 50, you should only do so if you think you can expect to sell for 100. The extra 50 then needs to be divided, 25 for the running costs of the business; time, travel, accommodation, preparation/improvement of purchases, photography, documentation, insurances, marketing and direct sales costs. 25 is then left as your profit before business taxes. This will leave you with a net profit of something like 15 on a total outlay (capital investment) of 75 (20%). Profit of course is never guaranteed and any of many different chances can turn a likely profit into a loss. That's business risk and profit is the reward for risk successfully borne. The businessman has no protection from losses other than his own skills. He stands to lose his whole investment in the business and even any assets he may have outside of the business. In short, If you can't see a good chance of a decent profit then don't start!

Many small businesses never make any true profit but are kept solvent only because the business owners do not charge for their labour or use of their domestic premises etc. These are truly not businesses but hobby interests, a living being made, wholly or in some part, from other employment. Where that 'outside income' is not available, either from self or spouse's other income, such businesses are bound to fail. Something like 80% of all new start-ups fail within their first three years. The two main causes for start-up business failure are linked. They are that the business is insufficiently capitalised to get it through those most critical first three years whilst it establishes itself and becomes able to trade profitably - and that the business planning was insufficiently thorough (or else that fatal level of under-capitalisation would have been clearly seen).

Say on the beach for a while, David, enjoy the hobby, trading a few rocks for interest and to improve your collection. Maybe you'll know when is the right time to commit to a business or - more like than not - that time will never come.



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B.DAWIT February 18, 2014 12:20AM
16 gram Modavite.. love this piece!! monetary value?
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Dennis McCoy February 18, 2014 12:23PM
David, Owen is right about the business conditions. You won't need a tax number to sell on eBay (yet), but will probably need one to sell in your local state. Instead of a dedicated store, set up shop at home if local ordinances will allow.
An option also might be to rent a case or shelf at your local antiques mall or flea market. They will often handle the tax number for you. This will get some visibility for you at a low cost. Don't plan on making much profit. Look at it as a way to move unwanted specimens or finance wanted ones.
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Rock Noobie March 10, 2014 02:56AM
I was going to buy this lot of moldavite from a vendor for $40 (10 grams pictured) and wanted to know if this was real/a good deal. This is my first time purchasing moldavite so I don't really know what to look for.
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Owen Lewis March 10, 2014 09:47PM
Working off no more than your pic... - I'd keep my money in my pocket.
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Maite July 20, 2015 05:38PM
What would an 89 gram cigar piece roughly cost these days?
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Rock Currier July 20, 2015 09:45PM
If it were real it would be rather expensive. Can you please supply a photo?

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
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