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Taylor Pit (Concession XIV; Lot 13), Huntingdon Township, Madoc Area, Hastings Co., Ontario, Canada
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Formula:
Pb
 
2
(Sb,As)
 
2
S
 
5
System:OrthorhombicColour:Steel-gray
Hardness:3½ - 4
Member of:Sartorite Group
Name:Named after Rudolf Willem van der Veen (1883-1925), metallographer.


Dufrenoysite-Veenite Series.

Classification of Veenite

IMA status:Approved 1966
Strunz 8th edition ID:2/E.18-20
Nickel-Strunz 10th (pending) edition ID:2.HC.05d

2 : SULFIDES and SULFOSALTS (sulfides, selenides, tellurides; arsenides, antimonides, bismuthides; sulfarsenites, sulfantimonites, sulfbismuthites, etc.)
H : Sulfosalts of SnS archetype
C : With only Pb
Dana 8th edition ID:3.5.9.2

3 : SULFOSALTS
5 : 2.5 < ø < 3
Hey's CIM Ref.:5.6.20

5 : Sulphosalts - Sulpharsenites and Sulphobismuthites (those containing Sn, Ge,or V are in Section 6)
6 : Sulpharsenites etc. of Pb alone
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Type Occurrence of Veenite

Type Locality:Taylor Pit (Concession XIV; Lot 13), Huntingdon Township, Madoc Area, Hastings Co., Ontario, Canada
Year of Discovery:1966

Physical Properties of Veenite

Lustre:Metallic
Diaphaneity (Transparency):Opaque
Colour:Steel-gray
Streak:Black with weak brown tint
Hardness (Mohs):3½ - 4

Crystallography of Veenite

Crystal System:Orthorhombic
Cell Parameters:a = 4.22Å, b = 26.2Å, c = 7.9Å
Ratio:a:b:c = 0.161 : 1 : 0.302
Unit Cell Volume:V 873.46 ų (Calculated from Unit Cell)

Chemical Properties of Veenite

Formula:
Pb
 
2
(Sb,As)
 
2
S
 
5
Essential elements:Pb, S, Sb
All elements listed in formula:As, Pb, S, Sb

Relationship of Veenite to other Species

Series:Forms a series with Dufrénoysite (see here)
Member of:Sartorite Group
Other Members of Group:

- +
Baumhauerite
Pb
 
12
As
 
16
S
 
36
Sartorite
PbAs
 
2
S
 
4
Twinnite
Pb(Sb,As)
 
2
S
 
4
Related Minerals - Nickel-Strunz Grouping):

- +
2.HC.05bBaumhauerite-2a
Pb
 
11
Ag(As,Sb)
 
18
S
 
36
2.HC.05bBaumhauerite
Pb
 
12
As
 
16
S
 
36
2.HC.05eChabournéite
Tl
 
21-x
Pb
 
2x
(Sb,As)
 
91-x
S
 
147
 (x = 0-17.5)
2.HC.05dDufrénoysite
Pb
 
2
As
 
2
S
 
5
2.HC.05aGuettardite
Pb(Sb,As)
 
2
S
 
4
2.HC.05cLiveingite
Pb
 
9
As
 
13
S
 
28
2.HC.05fParapierrotite
Tl(Sb,As)
 
5
S
 
8
2.HC.05fPierrotite
Tl
 
2
Sb
 
6
As
 
4
S
 
16
2.HC.05dRathite
Pb
 
8
Pb
 
4-x
(Tl
 
2
As
 
2
)
 
x
(Ag
 
2
As
 
2
)As
 
16
S
 
40
2.HC.05aSartorite
PbAs
 
2
S
 
4
2.HC.05aTwinnite
Pb(Sb,As)
 
2
S
 
4
2.HC.05gMarumoite
Pb
 
32
As
 
40
S
 
92
2.HC.05eDalnegroite
(Tl
 
4
Pb
 
2
)(As
 
12
Sb
 
8
)S
 
34
2.HC.10aFülöppite
Pb
 
3
Sb
 
8
S
 
15
2.HC.10cHeteromorphite
Pb
 
7
Sb
 
8
S
 
19
2.HC.10bPlagionite
Pb
 
5
Sb
 
8
S
 
17
2.HC.10dRayite
Pb
 
8
(Ag,Tl)
 
2
Sb
 
8
S
 
21
2.HC.10dSemseyite
Pb
 
9
Sb
 
8
S
 
21
2.HC.15Boulangerite
Pb
 
5
Sb
 
4
S
 
11
2.HC.15Falkmanite
Pb
 
5.4
Sb
 
3.6
S
 
11
2.HC.15Plumosite
2.HC.20Robinsonite
Pb
 
4
Sb
 
6
S
 
13
2.HC.25Moëloite
Pb
 
6
Sb
 
6
S
 
14
(S
 
3
)
2.HC.30Dadsonite
Pb
 
23
Sb
 
25
S
 
60
Cl
2.HC.35Owyheeite
Ag
 
3+x
Pb
 
10-2x
Sb
 
11+x
S
 
28
, -0.13 < x > +0.20
2.HC.35Zoubekite
AgPb
 
4
Sb
 
4
S
 
10
2.HC.40Parasterryite
Ag
 
4
Pb
 
20
Sb
 
14
As
 
10
S
 
58
Related Minerals - Hey's Index Grouping:

- +
5.6.1Sartorite
PbAs
 
2
S
 
4
5.6.2Dufrénoysite
Pb
 
2
As
 
2
S
 
5
5.6.3Liveingite
Pb
 
9
As
 
13
S
 
28
5.6.4Baumhauerite
Pb
 
12
As
 
16
S
 
36
5.6.5Gratonite
Pb
 
9
As
 
4
S
 
15
5.6.6Jordanite
Pb
 
14
(As,Sb)
 
6
S
 
23
5.6.7Fülöppite
Pb
 
3
Sb
 
8
S
 
15
5.6.8Zinkenite
Pb
 
9
Sb
 
22
S
 
42
5.6.9Plagionite
Pb
 
5
Sb
 
8
S
 
17
5.6.10Heteromorphite
Pb
 
7
Sb
 
8
S
 
19
5.6.11Launayite
Pb
 
22
Sb
 
26
S
 
61
5.6.12Playfairite
Pb
 
16
Sb
 
18
S
 
43
5.6.13Semseyite
Pb
 
9
Sb
 
8
S
 
21
5.6.14Madocite
Pb
 
17
Sb
 
16
S
 
41
5.6.15Boulangerite
Pb
 
5
Sb
 
4
S
 
11
5.6.17Robinsonite
Pb
 
4
Sb
 
6
S
 
13
5.6.18Guettardite
Pb(Sb,As)
 
2
S
 
4
5.6.19Twinnite
Pb(Sb,As)
 
2
S
 
4
5.6.21Sorbyite
CuPb
 
9
(Sb,As)
 
11
S
 
26
5.6.22Geocronite
Pb
 
14
(Sb,As)
 
6
S
 
23
5.6.23Galenobismutite
PbBi
 
2
S
 
4
5.6.24Cosalite
Pb
 
2
Bi
 
2
S
 
5
5.6.25Cannizzarite
Pb
 
4
Bi
 
6
S
 
13
5.6.26Lillianite
Pb
 
3-2x
Ag
 
x
Bi
 
2+x
S
 
6
5.6.27Giessenite
Pb
 
27
Cu
 
2
(Bi,Sb)
 
19
S
 
57
5.6.28Platynite
5.6.29Xilingolite
Pb
 
3
Bi
 
2
S
 
6
5.6.30Weibullite
Pb
 
5
Bi
 
8
Se
 
7
S
 
11
5.6.31Wittite
Pb
 
9
Bi
 
12
(S,Se)
 
27
5.6.32Kirkiite
Pb
 
10
Bi
 
3
As
 
3
S
 
19
5.6.33Ustarasite
Pb(Bi,Sb)
 
6
S
 
10
 (?)

Other Names for Veenite

Synonyms:
IMA1966-016Stibiodufrenoysite
Other Languages:
German:Stibiodufrenoysit
Veenit
Spanish:Stibiodufrenoysita
Veenita

Other Information

Health Warning:No information on health risks for this material has been entered into the database. You should always treat mineral specimens with care.

References for Veenite

Reference List:

- +
JAMBOR, J.L. (1967): New lead sulfantimonides from Madoc, Ontario. 1. Canadian Mineralogist 9, 7-24.

JAMBOR, J.L. (1967): New lead sulfantimonides from Madoc, Ontario. 2. Mineral descriptions. Canadian Mineralogist 9, 191-213.

JAMBOR, J.L. (1968): New lead sulfantimonides from Madoc, Ontario. 3. Syntheses, paragenesis, origin. Canadian Mineralogist 10, 507-521.

Walia, D. S. & Chang, L. L. Y. (1973): Investigations in the systems PbS-Sb2S3-As2S3 and PbS-Bi2S3-As2S3. Can. Mineral., 12, 113-119.

JAMBOR, J.L., LAFLAMME, J.H.G. & WALKER, D.A. (1982): A re-examination of the Madoc sulfosalts. Mineralogical Record 13, 93-100.

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    (TL) indicates type locality. ? indicates mineral may be doubtful at this locality. All other localities listed without reference should be considered as uncertain and unproven until references can be found.
    Bolivia
     
    • Potosí Department
      • Antonio Quijarro Province
    		Econ Geol (1997) 92:623-632
    Canada
     
    • Ontario
      • Hastings Co.
        • Madoc Area
          • Huntingdon Township
    		JAMBOR, J.L. (1967): New lead sulfantimonides from Madoc, Ontario. 1. Canadian Mineralogist 9, 7-24. JAMBOR, J.L. (1967): New lead sulfantimonides from Madoc, Ontario. 2. Mineral descriptions. Canadian Mineralogist 9, 191-213. JAMBOR, J.L. (1968): New lead sulfantimonides from Madoc, Ontario. 3. Syntheses, paragenesis, origin. Canadian Mineralogist 10, 507-521. JAMBOR, J.L., LAFLAMME, J.H.G. & WALKER, D.A. (1982): A re-examination of the Madoc sulfosalts. Mineralogical Record 13, 93-100.
      • Kenora District
    		Anthony, Bideaux, Bladh, Nichols: "Handbook of Mineralogy", Vol. 1, 1990; Geoffrey Khalil Abdallah (1990) Ore Mineralogy of Mattabi Mine, Northwestern Ontario, Canada. MSC Thesis, Lakehead University
    Chile
     
    • Atacama Region
      • Copiapó Province
        • Tierra Amarilla
          • Pampa Larga district
            • Alacrán
    		sample analysed by Dr. Frank Keutsch, Wisconsin University
    Germany
     
    • Rhineland-Palatinate
      • Eifel
        • Bad Neuenahr-Ahrweiler
          • Ahrbrück
            • Martinsknipp
    		Beyer, H. (1978): Über Haldenfunde aus den Antimonitgängen von Ahrbrück (Eifel)..., Der Aufschluß, 29, 401-408
    Greece
     
    • Attikí (Attica; Attika) Prefecture
      • Lavrion (Laurion; Laurium) District
        • Lavrion District Mines
          • Plaka
            • Plaka Mines
    		Voudouris, P., Melfos, V., Spry, P. G., Bonsall, T., Tarkian, M. & Economou-Eliopoulos, M. (2008): Mineralogical and fluid inclusion constraints on the evolution of the Plaka intrusion-related ore system, Lavrion, Greece. Mineralogy and Petrology 93, 79-110
    Mexico
     
    • Mexico
      • Mun. de Temascaltepec
        • Temascaltepec de González (Temascaltepec)
    		Camprubi, A., Canals, A., Cardellach, E., Prol-Ledesma, R.M., Rivera, R., 2001, The La Guitarra Ag-Au low-sulfidation epithermal deposit, Temascaltepec district, Mexico: vein structure, mineralogy, and sulfide-sulfosalt chemistry. Society of Economic Geologists Special Publication, v. 8, p. 133-158.
    Peru
     
    • Huancavelica Department
      • Huancavelica Province
    		Anthony, Bideaux, Bladh, Nichols: "Handbook of Mineralogy", Vol. 1, 1990
    Romania
     
    • Maramureș Co.
      • Baia Mare (Nagybánya)
        • Chiuzbaia (Kisbánya)
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