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Neltnerite

A valid IMA mineral species

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About NeltneriteHide

Louis Neltner (1903-1985)

Formula:

CaMn³⁺₆(SiO₄)O₈

Colour:

Black

Lustre:

Adamantine, Sub-Adamantine

Hardness:

Specific Gravity:

4.63

Crystal System:

Tetragonal

Member of:

Braunite Group

Name:

Named in honor of Louis Neltner [9 July 1903, Toulouse, France - 23 January 1985, Lyon, France], Director of the Ecole nationale supérieure des mines de Saint-Étienne, pioneer student of mineral deposits of the High Atlas Mountains, Morocco.

Type Locality:

ⓘ Tachgagalt Mine, Tansifte Caïdat, Agdz Cercle, Zagora Province, Drâa-Tafilalet Region, Morocco

Isostructural with:

Braunite

Black pyramidal crystals, also complex elongated crystals.

Unique IdentifiersHide

Mindat ID:

2875

Long-form identifier:

mindat:1:1:2875:8

GUID
(UUID V4):

a28f6bcc-374b-495e-a910-05963d1fbafc

IMA Classification of NeltneriteHide

IMA status:

Approved

IMA Formula:

CaMn³⁺₆O₈(SiO₄)

Approval year:

1979

First published:

1982

Type description reference:

Baudracco-Gritti, Célestine, Caye, René, Permingeat, François, Protas, Jean (1982) La neltnérite CaMn6SiO12, une nouvelle espèce minérale du groupe de la braunite. Bulletin de Minéralogie, 105 (2) 161-165 doi:10.3406/bulmi.1982.7598

Classification of NeltneriteHide

Strunz-mindat (2024):

9.AG.05

9 : SILICATES (Germanates)
A : Nesosilicates
G : Nesosilicates with additional anions; cations in > [6] +- [6] coordination

Dana 8th ed.:

7.5.1.2

7 : MULTIPLE OXIDES
5 : (AB)₂X₃

Hey's CIM Ref.:

14.18.19

14 : Silicates not Containing Aluminum
18 : Silicates of Mn and Na, K, Mg, Ca or Fe

Mineral SymbolsHide

As of 2021 there are now IMA–CNMNC approved mineral symbols (abbreviations) for each mineral species, useful for tables and diagrams.

Symbol	Source	Reference
Nel	IMA–CNMNC	Warr, L.N. (2021). IMA–CNMNC approved mineral symbols. Mineralogical Magazine, 85(3), 291-320. doi:10.1180/mgm.2021.43

Physical Properties of NeltneriteHide

Lustre:

Adamantine, Sub-Adamantine

Transparency:

Opaque

Colour:

Black

Streak:

Black

Hardness:

6 on Mohs scale

Hardness:

VHN₁₀₀=1200 - 1220 kg/mm² - Vickers

Tenacity:

Brittle

Cleavage:

Poor/Indistinct

Fracture:

Sub-Conchoidal

Density:

4.63 g/cm³ (Measured) 4.65 g/cm³ (Calculated)

Optical Data of NeltneriteHide

Anisotropism:

Weak

Reflectivity:

Wavelength	R₁	R₂
470nm	21.3%	22.3%
546nm	19.2%	20.2%
589nm	18.5%	19.5%
650nm	17.65%	18.65%

Graph shows reflectance levels at different wavelengths (in nm). Top of box is 100%. Peak reflectance is 22.3%.
R₁ shown in black, R₂ shown in red

Colour in reflected light:

Gray to brownish gray

Chemistry of NeltneriteHide

Mindat Formula:

CaMn³⁺₆(SiO₄)O₈

Elements listed:

Ca, Mn, O, Si - search for minerals with similar chemistry

Common Impurities:

Crystallography of NeltneriteHide

Crystal System:

Tetragonal

Class (H-M):

4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) - Ditetragonal Dipyramidal

Space Group:

I4₁/acd

Setting:

I4₁/acd

Cell Parameters:

a = 9.464 Å, c = 18.854(1) Å

Ratio:

a:c = 1 : 1.992

Unit Cell V:

1,688.70 Å³ (Calculated from Unit Cell)

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ID	Species	Reference	Link	Year	Locality	Pressure (GPa)	Temp (K)
0006420	Neltnerite	de Villiers J P R, Dobson S M, Buseck P R (1991) Refinement of the crystal structure of neltnerite, a member of the bixbyite-braunite group of minerals European Journal of Mineralogy 3 567-573		1991		0	293

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 Refinement of the crystal structure of neltnerite,
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CaM1   0.00000   0.25000   0.12500   0.95000   0.00530
MnM1   0.00000   0.25000   0.12500   0.05000   0.00530
MnM2   0.00000   0.00000   0.00000   1.00000   0.00450
MnM3   0.02830   0.00000   0.25000   1.00000   0.00480
MnM4   0.23750   0.48750   0.12500   1.00000   0.00450
Si   0.00000   0.25000   0.37500   1.00000   0.00440
O1   0.15660   0.36420   0.05310   1.00000   0.00640
O2   0.14220   0.07910   0.05640   1.00000   0.00520
O3   0.42120   0.13550   0.07480   1.00000   0.00690
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CaM1 0.00500 0.00500 0.00590 -0.00090 0.00000 0.00000
MnM1 0.00500 0.00500 0.00590 -0.00090 0.00000 0.00000
MnM2 0.00440 0.00470 0.00430 -0.00150 -0.00100 -0.00010
MnM3 0.00370 0.00520 0.00550 0.00000 0.00000 0.00140
MnM4 0.00450 0.00450 0.00440 -0.00110 0.00030 -0.00030
Si 0.00370 0.00370 0.00580 0.00000 0.00000 0.00000
O1 0.00710 0.00480 0.00740 -0.00120 0.00140 -0.00080
O2 0.00540 0.00540 0.00480 -0.00140 -0.00120 -0.00010
O3 0.00700 0.00740 0.00640 -0.00090 -0.00120 -0.00180

X-Ray Powder DiffractionHide

Powder Diffraction Data:

d-spacing	Intensity
4.73 Å	(20)
3.506 Å	(20)
3.382 Å	(10)
3.341 Å	(10)
2.852 Å	(10)
2.728 Å	(100)
2.604 Å	(10)
2.516 Å	(10)
2.423 Å	(10)
2.364 Å	(30)
2.170 Å	(30)
2.157 Å	(30)
1.930 Å	(10)
1.886 Å	(10)
1.822 Å	(10)
1.750 Å	(10)
1.672 Å	(85)
1.547 Å	(20)
1.512 Å	(15)
1.476 Å	(15)
1.427 Å	(60)
1.379 Å	(10)
1.365 Å	(25)
1.324 Å	(10)
1.275 Å	(10)
1.231 Å	(10)
1.184 Å	(15)
1.182 Å	(15)
1.174 Å	(10)
1.156 Å	(10)
1.107 Å	(10)
1.085 Å	(50)
1.079 Å	(10)
1.0595 Å	(45)
1.056 Å	(4.5)
2.364 Å	(3)

Comments:

ICDD-366.

Geological EnvironmentHide

Paragenetic Mode(s):

Paragenetic Mode	Earliest Age (Ga)
Stage 7: Great Oxidation Event	<2.4
47e : [Vanadates, chromates, manganates]
47h : [Near-surface oxidized, dehydrated minerals]

Type Occurrence of NeltneriteHide

Type Locality:

ⓘ Tachgagalt Mine, Tansifte Caïdat, Agdz Cercle, Zagora Province, Drâa-Tafilalet Region, Morocco

General Appearance of Type Material:

Dipyramidal crystals, to 1 mm

Place of Conservation of Type Material:

National School of Mines, Paris, France

Associated Minerals at Type Locality:

Marokite

Crednerite

Braunite

Reference:

Baudracco-Gritti, C., Caye, R., Permingeat, F., Protas, J. (1982) La neltnérite CaMn6SiO12, une nouvelle espèce minérale du groupe de la braunite. Bulletin de Minéralogie: 105: 161-165.

Download:

https://www.persee.fr/doc/bulmi_0180-9210_1982_num_105_2_7598

Synonyms of NeltneriteHide

IMA1979-059

Other Language Names for NeltneriteHide

German:Neltnerit

Russian:Нелтнерит

Spanish:Neltnerita

Relationship of Neltnerite to other SpeciesHide

Member of:

Braunite Group

Other Members of this group:

Abswurmbachite	CuMn³⁺₆(SiO₄)O₈	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : I4₁/acd
Braunite	Mn²⁺Mn³⁺₆(SiO₄)O₈	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : I4₁/acd
Braunite-II	CaMn³⁺₁₄(SiO₄)O₂₀	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : I4₁/acd
Gatedalite	ZrMn²⁺₂Mn³⁺₄SiO₁₂	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : I4₁/acd

Common AssociatesHide

Associated Minerals Based on Photo Data:

1 photo of Neltnerite associated with Tangeite	CaCu(VO₄)(OH)
1 photo of Neltnerite associated with Orientite	Ca₈Mn³⁺₁₀(SiO₄)₃(Si₃O₁₀)₃(OH)₁₀ · 4H₂O

Related Minerals - Strunz-mindat Grouping Hide

9.AG.	Ivanyukite-Na-T	Na₂Ti₄(SiO₄)₃(OH)O₃ · 7H₂O	Trig. 3m : R3m
9.AG.	Ivanyukite-Na-C	Na₂Ti₄(SiO₄)₃(OH)₂O₂ · 6H₂O	Iso. 4 3m : P4 3m
9.AG.	Edgrewite	Ca₉(SiO₄)₄F₂	Mon. 2/m : P2₁/b
9.AG.	Aluminotaipingite-(CeCa)	(Ce₆Ca₃)◻Al(SiO₄)₃[SiO₃(OH)]₄F₃	Trig. 3m : R3c
9.AG.02	Gatedalite	ZrMn²⁺₂Mn³⁺₄SiO₁₂	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : I4₁/acd
9.AG.05	Abswurmbachite	CuMn³⁺₆(SiO₄)O₈	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : I4₁/acd
9.AG.05	Braunite	Mn²⁺Mn³⁺₆(SiO₄)O₈	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : I4₁/acd
9.AG.05	Braunite-II	CaMn³⁺₁₄(SiO₄)O₂₀	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : I4₁/acd
9.AG.10	Långbanite	Mn²⁺₄Mn³⁺₉Sb⁵⁺O₁₆(SiO₄)₂	Trig. 3m : P3m1
9.AG.12	Taipingite-(CeCa)	(Ce₇Ca₂)◻Mg(SiO₄)₃[SiO₃(OH)]₄F₃	Trig. 3m : R3c
9.AG.15	Malayaite	CaSn(SiO₄)O	Mon. 2/m
9.AG.15	Titanite	CaTi(SiO₄)O	Mon. 2/m : P2₁/b
9.AG.15	Vanadomalayaite	CaV⁴⁺(SiO₄)O	Mon. 2/m : B2/b
9.AG.15	Natrotitanite	(Na_0.5Y_0.5)Ti(SiO₄)O	Mon. 2/m : B2/b
9.AG.15	Żabińskiite	Ca[Al_0.5(Ta,Nb)_0.5)](SiO₄)O	Tric. 1
9.AG.20	Cerite-(CeCa)	(Ce₇Ca₂)◻Mg(SiO₄)₃(SiO₃OH)₄(OH)₃	Trig. 3m : R3c
9.AG.20	Ferricerite-(LaCa)	(La₆Ca₃)◻Fe³⁺(SiO₄)₃(SiO₃OH)₄(OH)₃	Trig. 3m : R3c
9.AG.20	Aluminocerite-(CeCa)	(Ce₆Ca₃)◻Al(SiO₄)₃[SiO₃(OH)]₄(OH)₃	Trig. 3m : R3c
9.AG.25	Trimounsite-(Y)	Y₂Ti₂(SiO₄)O₅	Mon. 2/m : P2₁/b
9.AG.25	Yftisite-(Y)	(Y,Dy,Er)₄(Ti,Sn)(SiO₄)₂O(F,OH)₆
9.AG.25	Mieite-(Y)	Y₄Ti(SiO₄)₂O[F,(OH)]₆	Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Cmcm
9.AG.30	Sitinakite	KNa₂Ti₄(SiO₄)₂O₅(OH) · 4H₂O	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m) : P4₂/mcm
9.AG.35	Kittatinnyite	Ca₂Mn₂Mn(SiO₄)₂(OH)₄ · 9H₂O	Hex.
9.AG.40a	Natisite	Na₂Ti(SiO₄)O	Tet. 4/mmm (4/m 2/m 2/m)
9.AG.40b	Paranatisite	Na₂Ti(SiO₄)O	Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pmma
9.AG.45	Törnebohmite-(Ce)	Ce₂Al(SiO₄)₂(OH)	Mon. 2/m : P2₁/b
9.AG.45	Törnebohmite-(La)	La₂Al(SiO₄)₂(OH)
9.AG.50	Kuliokite-(Y)	Y₄Al(SiO₄)₂(OH)₂F₅	Tric. 1 : P1
9.AG.50	Ivanyukite-Na	Na₂Ti₄(SiO₄)₃(OH)₂O₂ · 6H₂O	Trig. 3m : R3m
9.AG.50	Ivanyukite-K	K₂Ti₄(SiO₄)₃(OH)₂O₂ · 9H₂O	Iso. 4 3m : P4 3m
9.AG.50	Ivanyukite-Cu	CuTi₄(SiO₄)₃(OH)₂O₂ · 7H₂O	Iso. 4 3m : P4 3m
9.AG.50	Hydroxyledgrewite	Ca₉(SiO₄)₄(OH)₂	Mon. 2/m : P2₁/b
9.AG.52	Ulfanderssonite-(Ce)	(Ce₁₅Ca)_Σ16Mg₂(SiO₄)₁₀(SiO₃OH)(OH,F)₅Cl₃	Mon. m : Bm
9.AG.55	Chantalite	CaAl₂(SiO₄)(OH)₄	Tet. 4/m : I4₁/a
9.AG.60	Mozartite	CaMn³⁺(SiO₄)(OH)	Orth. 2 2 2 : P2₁ 2₁ 2₁
9.AG.60	Vuagnatite	CaAl(SiO₄)(OH)	Orth. 2 2 2 : P2₁ 2₁ 2₁
9.AG.65	Hatrurite	Ca₃(SiO₄)O	Trig.
9.AG.70	Jasmundite	Ca₁₁(SiO₄)₄O₂S	Tet. 4 2m : I4m2
9.AG.75	Afwillite	Ca₃(HSiO₄)₂ · 2H₂O	Mon. m : Bb
9.AG.80	Bultfonteinite	Ca₂(HSiO₄)F · H₂O	Tric. 1 : P1
9.AG.85	Zoltaiite	BaV⁴⁺₂V³⁺₁₂(SiO₄)₂O₁₉	Trig. 3 : P3
9.AG.90	Tranquillityite	(Fe²⁺,Ca)₈(Zr,Y)₂Ti₃(SiO₄)₃O₁₂	Hex.

Fluorescence of NeltneriteHide

In UV light:

Not fluorescent in UV

Other InformationHide

Health Risks:

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References for NeltneriteHide

Reference List:

Fleischer, M., Pabst, A. (1983) New mineral names. American Mineralogist 68: 282.

Baudracco-Gritti, C. (1985) Substitution du manganèse bivalent par du calcium dans les minéraux du groupe: braunite, neltnerite, braunite II. Bull. Soc. franç. Minér. Crist.: 108: 437-445.

de Villiers, Johan P. R., Dobson, Susan M., Buseck, Peter R. (1991) Refinement of the crystal structure of neltnerite, a member of the bixbyite-braunite group of minerals. European Journal of Mineralogy, 3 (3) 567-574 doi:10.1127/ejm/3/3/0567

Favreau, G., Dietrich, J.E. (2006) Tachgagalt (Maroc). Le Cahier des Micromonteurs: 93: 37-71. (in French).

(2023) Neltnerite. Handbook of Mineralogy. Mineralogical Society of America

Localities for NeltneriteHide

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Bulgaria
Pazardzhik Province Panagyurishte Municipality ⓘ Dalgi Rid ore occurrence	Chavdarova, S., Stavrev, M., Hikov, A., & Peytcheva, I. (2022). New data on the geochemical and mineralogical features of the main manganese-and iron-bearing ore occurrences in the Central Srednogorie Zone, Bulgaria.

Morocco (TL)
Drâa-Tafilalet Region Zagora Province Agdz Cercle Tansifte Caïdat ⓘ Tachgagalt Mine (TL)	Bull.Min.(1982) 105, 161-165

Poland
Lower Silesian Voivodeship Wrocław County Gmina Kobierzyce ⓘ Pustków Wilczkowski ?	Ł. Kruszewski PXRD & pXRF data (paper in preparation)

Romania
Caraş-Severin County Brebu ⓘ Delineşti deposit	Hirtopanu, P. (2006). One hundred minerals for one hundred years (dedicated to the Centennial of the Geological Institute of Romania). In 3rd Conference on Mineral Sciences in the Carpathians, Miskolc Hungary. Acta Mineralogica–Petrographica, Abstract series (Vol. 5, p. 86).
Suceava County Iacobeni ⓘ Arșița mine	minerals-of-the-carpathians.eu (2008) http://minerals-of-the-carpathians.eu

South Africa
Northern Cape John Taolo Gaetsewe District Municipality Joe Morolong Local Municipality Hotazel ⓘ Wessels Mine	*Cairncross, B., Dixon, R. (1995) Minerals of South Africa. Geological Society of South Africa, Linden .*

Turkey
Yozgat Province Sorgun District ⓘ Eymir manganese deposit	Oksuz, N. (2018). Mineralogical findings from manganese deposits in the Artova Ophiolite Complex, Derbent-Eymir area. Bulletin of the Mineral Research and Exploration, 156(156), 137-150.

USA
Arizona Cochise County ⓘ Bisbee	Graeme, R. (1993) Bisbee revisited. The Mineralogical Record: 24: 421-436.
ⓘ White Tail Deer Mine (Whitetail Mine)	Anthony, J.W., et al (1995), Mineralogy of Arizona, 3rd.ed.: 312.
ⓘ White Tail Deer Mine area	Graeme, R. (1993), Bisbee revisited, Min.Rec.: 24: 421-436. Anthony, J.W., et al (1995), Mineralogy of Arizona, 3rd.ed.: 145, 188
Michigan Keweenaw County Grant Township Copper Harbor ⓘ Manganese Creek	*Heinrich, E. W., Robinson, George Willard (2004) Mineralogy of Michigan* (2nd ed.) A.E. Seaman Mineral Museum and Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI. 252pp.**
ⓘ Manganese Mine	*Heinrich, E. W., Robinson, George Willard (2004) Mineralogy of Michigan* (2nd ed.) A.E. Seaman Mineral Museum and Michigan Technological University, Houghton, MI. 252pp.**

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