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Munich Mineral Show 2019

Last Updated: 28th Oct 2019

By Jolyon Ralph

This is a LIVE report, keep this page loaded for live updates - new images will appear as they are added.



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And for the fifteenth year in a row I'm here at the Munich Show!



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As usual Crystal Classics have the largest area. This is just half of it.



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Ok, it's hard to report when everyone is trying to talk! But I'm back at it here with Russian Minerals and a new find of Stichtite from the Kaznakhtinskii massif, Altai, Russia.



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Fantastic Feklichevite from Kola. Mineralogist.ru specimen



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Huge shcherbakovite crystal



Redledgeite from Saranovskoe mine. With uvarovite



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Two new (German language) titles from Lapis



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New bournonite from Bolivia. Crystal Classics.



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New fluorite from the Why Aye Pocket, Diana Maria mine, Co. Durham, UK. Crystal Classics specimen



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Bruce Cairncross with his new book on the Minerals and Gemstones of East Africa. Review coming on mindat soon.



Live music courtesy of Jesse and Joan.



Proustite. Alberoda, Saxony.



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Back in the show today for the first public day. Here is mineral Magazine corner.



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The latest issue of Mineralogical Almanac



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Now let's look at the special exhibits.



Goethite, Norbert Stötzel collection



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Lepidocrocite from Eisenzecher Zug b.Eiserfeld, Germany. Stötzel collection



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Goethite on orthoclase from Volodarsk, Ukraine. Christian Weiss specimen



Paul Stahl collection



More of Paul's specimens



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Kovdorskite!



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Chalcophyllite



Hopeite from Kabwe mine



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Cafarsite



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Crednerite



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Some of Thomas Weiland's copper minerals



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Mottramite from Ojuela mine, Mexico. Weiland collection



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Chrysocolla



Some of Federico Pezzotta's Elbaite specimens from Elba, Italy



Amazing Elbaite



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Elbaite!



And my favourite



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Gold from Harvard Museum



More gold



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Ural malachite



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Type locality cyanotrichite



Polybasite and Fluorite



Green Andradite, Mineralogical Almanac



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New find of aragonite from Pantjoa, Spain. Kugler Mineralien



Pyromorphite miniatures



Ilvaite on hedenbergite from Dalnegorsk, Russia. Petr Szacho specimen



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Incredible chalcedony after calcite fro. Dalnegorsk, the 'two mushrooms'. Petr Szacho



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Back with the special exhibits. Mario Pauwels' malachite from Etoile, DR Congo



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Goethite and smoky quartz from Lakeview Lode II mine, Colorado. Mario Pauwels' specimen



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From the Eugene Meieren collection



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Kunzite



Goshenite from Brazil



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Apatite and diopside from Mpwampa, Tanzania. Kristalli specimens



The big one



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More minatures from Crystal Classics



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The Leuchtenberg collection of Russian minerals at the Museum Reich Der Kristalle, Munich.



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Leuchtenbergite from Schischimsker Verge, Slatoust, Ural, Russia.



More of the pieces.



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Some pieces from the Spann collection



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More



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More



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And more!



Alpine minerals, Marcus Budil



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Fine single crocoite crystal from the Red Lead mine, Tasmania. Jordi Fabre specimen



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Dolomite and Calcite, Stan Terg mine, Kosovo. Jordi Fabre specimen



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Lots of dioptase from the Congo. Multiaxes specimens



Chalcopyrite etc from Erzgebirge. I've reduced the video resolution to see if this helps people who were having problems viewing.



Phosgenite and anglesite from Morocco.



Victor Tuzlukov's fabulous cut citrine. 187.7 carats.



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One of the new Romanian vivianite specimens. Anton Watzl specimen



Pink fluorite from Cristalli



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Nice bismuth from Tazmut mine, Bolivia. Jordi Fabre specimen



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New book on fluorite by Christophe Lucas



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Bryce McMurdo Wright minature cabinet



And a video



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Crystal models from Johann Gottfried Schmidt



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Romanian gold



Clever way to display a meteorite using a projected display overlaid on the actual specimen.



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Gunnar Farber has the best crystals of Tongxinite in the world. From Brumbach Creek, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany.



Big yoderite crystal from Tanzania



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Edenite crystals from Mautia Hill, Tanzania.



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Fantastic old Altyn Tube dioptase. Denis Rusin specimen



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Also this incredible ilmenite specimen.



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Crocoite from Pervomaysko-Zverevskoe, Russia





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Discuss this Article

24th Oct 2019 15:17 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Is the brown area the shcherbakovite?
 

25th Oct 2019 08:35 UTCKeith Compton Manager

That's a none too shabby Proustite.
Very Nice.

Now I've got to try and get Bruce's new book.


25th Oct 2019 10:03 UTCDana Slaughter

Love the Chino copper, Bolivian bournonite and especially the killer cafarsite!

25th Oct 2019 13:32 UTCChristian Klein

Hello, I appreciate these show reports very much. I also believe that the show reports are very valuable for the reputation of Mindat. However, this movie feature is a pain the xxx. My experience: Firefox non-responding and at 8 GB mem usage on a six-month old PC running windows 10. Plus, I do not see any added value whatsoever in these movies. It makes much more sense to me to be able to browse a variety of specimens in "quick browsing" mode. And to find good quality pictures - if possible, with meaningful and visible labels - of species that are interesting to me. Actually, I have recently made some purchases of specimens that you presented here. Such experiences certainly give a boost to mindat's reputation in the specimen dealer world, which, I believe, pays part of the bills here. But no interest on my side to spend time watching movies, basically waiting for some interesting stuff, and then on top of that with a frozen PC. Have a good time in Munich and best wishes: Chris

25th Oct 2019 14:29 UTCJeff Weissman Expert

Agreed, this report crashed my year old, software updated to latest version, Android phone using Google web browser. For these reports really need to consider reducing image size and total content size, rather than 'large images and MB-size content because we can'

25th Oct 2019 14:44 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

This is the first time I've tried adding video to a report. Video allows me to show things in a different way to simple photos and it's likely it will continue to be done this way. However as it's working on my cellphone without issues I am surprised that a modern PC is struggling. I will investigate later. For now i will continue!

25th Oct 2019 15:31 UTCJeff Weissman Expert

The issue is loading of the page, once the page is fully loaded and images cached, then I have no further issues. Seems that all of the images and videos are trying to load simultaneously, which then causes memory problems.

25th Oct 2019 15:35 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Are you keeping this page open? Additional videos/photos are not much of a problem, but if you try to upload the entire report in one go, it does seem create some major problems. Right now am viewing in chrome, but starting without a cache in Edge created some real problems. Even here still a problem with buffering.

Are these being cached in the SSD or are they getting accessed from the hard drive?

26th Oct 2019 20:35 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Videos are cached on SSD

25th Oct 2019 15:25 UTCChristian Klein

Hello, I will not comment further, because it is a pain in the xxx to view this page. Anyhow, you can certainly continue to show any kind of content you like here, but even if the technical issues are solved, the consequence will remain that less content is accessible to readers who do NOT want to spend their time sitting in movies. And who will consequently not make purchases (as in my case, but I can imagine that there will be others). As for the musicians, fine, but I have no idea what the added value would be for mineral specimens. For those, what counts for me, is resolution, crispness, color and information such as labels. All these contents are inferior in movies. Ok, you may want to use 4K movies, but then have fun with the mobile viewers. best wishes, Christian

25th Oct 2019 16:05 UTCTama Higuchi

The videos do take a few seconds to load, but besides that, I am having no issues on my end!  

The way I see these reports is as a documentation of the show experience, and I think the videos (including the musicians!) are a nice way to show that, along with good photos of specimens. 

25th Oct 2019 18:05 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

No problem with videos here as well.

26th Oct 2019 00:31 UTCPaul Brandes Manager

Same situation as Tama. Takes a few seconds to load in, but otherwise no issues viewing the content.

26th Oct 2019 09:23 UTCRoy Starkey Expert

Hi Jolyon - great to have the show report but I agree the videos are a real pain. I would stick with hi-res zoomable still shots. The page is pretty unusable viewed on my phone on a mobile/wifi connection.
Have a great show.
Best wishes
Roy

26th Oct 2019 00:24 UTCGareth Evans

Absolutely beautiful minerals!! I wish I had the money to acquire what others have found. I suppose I must just be content with building world class displays of the chemical elements.

26th Oct 2019 09:07 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

The problem seems to be that even though I have set my phone to record in 1080p it still uploads as 4K. I will try recording and uploading as separate operations, annoying but should fix this. 

26th Oct 2019 12:41 UTCDavid Carter

The videos are a nice addition to complement the beautiful photos and they enable a 3D view of specimens and better demonstrate different colours and flashes the items produce, but I can only see videos from the Phosgenite & Anglesite from Morocco onwards. All photos download fine, but previous videos can’t be viewed (all I see is a tilted triangle with a line through it). I’m using Safari on an iPod with good memory and have an excellent home internet connection! Great report otherwise.

26th Oct 2019 12:43 UTCDavid Carter

iPad, not iPod (which would be impossible)

26th Oct 2019 12:49 UTCDavid Carter

I think that many people scroll through these ongoing large reports from time to time as they are being produced and stop at items that catch their eye (for me that lovely Crocoite crystal from the Red Lead Mine), but then have a much more in-depth browse of everything in more detail once the report is over, at least that’s what I do!

26th Oct 2019 13:54 UTCKevin Hean

Then Again, Victor Tuzlukov's  Citrine would be useless without  a video

26th Oct 2019 14:11 UTCTimothy Greenland

Hello all English speakers who are not happy reading French - I would like to emphasize that Christophe Lucas' book on fluorite is completely translated. All sections have an English version translated as exactly as I was able. There are some superb pictures in it...

Best wishes

Tim

27th Oct 2019 03:44 UTCPaul Melville

Having no problem at all with the Show Report on my 8 year old MacBook Pro running Windows 7 and using Google Chrome. Keep up the good work Jolyon.

Paul

27th Oct 2019 05:24 UTCFrank K. Mazdab Manager

Only a few of the earlier videos in the article even load for me; the rest are just blank white fields with a play button in the middle.  If I click one of those play buttons, the video opens but won't play (and further clicking on the play or fast-forward buttons has no effect). Although I see significant value in videos for some purposes, I'm not sure having videos here adds a lot of extra value, especially given the challenges some people are having viewing them.

27th Oct 2019 11:45 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

Ditto what Frank wrote. I would rather see still photos like previous show reports. Most of the videos above won‘t open for me (at least here in the show using the Messehalle wifi), and they just slow down opening the whole thread at all. 

27th Oct 2019 17:48 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

Tongxinite (https://www.mindat.org/min-7340.html) from a creek?

This totally looks like anthropogenic brass. I am waiting to see any convincing proof of a natural origin.

27th Oct 2019 19:43 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Almost certainly anthropogenic

27th Oct 2019 19:01 UTCAchille Sorlini

Thanks Jolyon.
I think videos are a "plus".  
After you changed the set up,  I've been able to see them on my iphone.

27th Oct 2019 19:56 UTCKevin Conroy Expert

Note that many/most of the goethite on smoky quartz like the one shown from Colorado have been repaired.   Typically the goethite is loose in the pocket or is intentionally removed.   After the smoky quartz crystals are cleaned then the goethite is placed back on the (hopefully original) crystal.

27th Oct 2019 21:13 UTCGareth Evans

Specimens being altered (prep'd) or repaired - what next !!! :)

28th Oct 2019 16:04 UTCBob Harman

GARETH et al,      I might remind you that specimens in museum and private collector display cases at shows (or in the museums) need not disclose any type of repairs or other alterations.

It is only necessary to disclose these repair facts if and when the specimens are offered for sale.       CHEERS.....BOB 

28th Oct 2019 18:13 UTCGareth Evans

Bob:

Glad to hear from you again!! I think we exchanged PM's on another site!!!!!

So true about altering specimens to create an effect that nature did not create. I see nothing wrong - everyone must dance to their own tune. :);):) Even Museums.

28th Oct 2019 19:30 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

From the moment the specimen is removed from its natural setting it has been altered. How much alteration is then acceptable is a matter of taste.

28th Oct 2019 15:51 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

The report is now fixed to work more efficiently, and it now should be playable on most if not all devices. Video isn't automatically loaded, you need to click to start loading.

Future live reports will work this way automatically.

28th Oct 2019 17:22 UTCFrank K. Mazdab Manager

Thanks Jolyon,

At least for me, this now works much better.  The overall page loads much faster and I also like that the videos play in-line.

28th Oct 2019 22:37 UTCRoy Starkey Expert

Thanks Jolyon - I can confirm that the report page now works much better on Motorola G5 smartphone. The video 'windows' are presented correctly without loading the clip which is a major improvement on the original situation. 

However, I remain unconvinced about the benefit of having videos of inanimate objects. I agree with Alfredo (above) that from a viewing and (I would say from an archival standpoint - for viewing in the future) - zoom-able hi-res still shots would be preferable, but that is of course personal preference. 

However, whatever the outcome, it is still great to be able to take a virtual tour of international mineral shows, so please keep 'em coming!

Cheers
Roy

28th Oct 2019 23:31 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Videos have several benefits.

1. Being able to view multiple angles of the piece at the same time
2. Being able to capture movement or audio.
3. Being able to move the specimen in the light (see the proustite example above).

None of these things can be done with a simple photo. 

Also, when dealing with a whole cabinet of specimens I simply don't have time to take photos of each piece - so this is sometimes the only way to capture it all without everything being tiny.

29th Oct 2019 02:01 UTCKevin Conroy Expert

I also enjoyed the videos.   I agree that the original format did load a little (or sometimes quite a bit more) slowly, but I think that it was worth the wait.

Also, speaking from personal experience as someone who has done some programming, there's something that we all may want to consider.   When a programmer is creating new and/or custom coding, that person is very likely only working on one computer with one operating system.   They get the code to work on that computer, and may test it on just a few other platforms to see if it still works.   There is absolutely no way for them to test it on all of the computer/phone brands and the corresponding systems.   Usually it's only after the software is rolled out to the public for use that bugs are discovered.   Yes it can be frustrating, but that's a part of the process that we sometimes need to endure.   Our feedback helps Jolyon refine the software.   In programming, as in driving to a destination, there are usually a few different ways to get where you want to go.

28th Oct 2019 21:38 UTCJeff Krueger

Thank you so much for posting the video of the Williams Caerhays miniature cabinet.  What a delicious group of historic specimens.  And its great to read about the recent discoveries related to the unearthing of the collection.

29th Oct 2019 18:48 UTCJeff Weissman Expert

Seems to be loading and displaying much better now; and other very long messages are better behaved also.

29th Oct 2019 22:30 UTCDavid Carter

Everything loads correctly now and much, much quicker too on my little iPad. The videos are a very good idea and enable the viewing of more items in one hit and also demonstrating any special features they may exhibit. 

5th Nov 2019 01:28 UTCMartin Rich Expert

Thanks Jolyon for the report!
You nailed me down in the mineral magazine corner. I'm able to recognize my backpack.
 
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