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Identity HelpChinese siderite and chalcopyrite location

14th Mar 2012 06:03 UTCAnthony Gleckler

I picked up a nice siderite and chalcopyrite specimen in Tucson this year (see photo), but the location on the specimen card doesn't seem to exist. When I looked around online, I found three other potential locations for what is obviously identical material. Does anyone know where this actually comes out of the ground?


Locations:

1) Huanggang Mine, Hexigten Banner, Ulanhad League (Chifeng Prefecture), Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, China

2) Chi Feng Mine, Keshiketeng Qi, ChiFeng city, Inner Mongolia, China

3) DaGuishan mine, Hezhou city, Guangxi province, China

4) GanZiZhou, ShiChuang, China (the location on the specimen card)


Thanks,

Tony

14th Mar 2012 07:49 UTCGreg Dainty

Tony

My specimens are labeled,

GANG ZHI ZHOU Mine, SICHUAN, CHINA, this was the local given when they were purchased in China........Greg

16th Mar 2012 06:13 UTCAnthony Gleckler

Thanks, Greg, I found the following location here on Mindat:


Ganzhizhou Mine, Meigu Co., Liangshan Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan Province, China


No siderite or chalcopyrite noted for that location, though. Do you know if the guy you bought yours from got it from the mine?


Cheers,

Tony

16th Mar 2012 07:52 UTCTrevor Dart

There is a superb piece on ebay labelled as the Chi Feng Mine, Keshiketeng Qi, ChiFeng city, Inner Mongolia, China, your second choice...
chinese siderite specimen

16th Mar 2012 10:58 UTCIbrahim Jameel Expert

I spoke to a dealer in Tucson who had been buying in Inner Mongolia, he said that they are definitely not from Inner Mongolia, though was unsure from where exactly.


Even if locality information is obtained in China, it could still be wrong unless the specimen was purchased at the mine. It's the same problem in any country that has mineral markets-- specimens get taken to the market and change hands many times in the process... the locality information often gets left behind/ invented/ or distorted to protect sources. In other words, the info may be right but you cant really be sure, yet.


Also, I think your locations #1 and #2 refer to the same location. The "Hexingten Banner" is the old name for Keshiketeng Qi, and I think early on the Huanggang Mines were referred to as the Chifeng Mine... I could be wrong, but I think they are the same place...


ibrahim

16th Mar 2012 11:35 UTCGreg Dainty

Tony

I think I have made a mistake, in my last post. I saw that the location that your specimen was labeled with, and realized that it was very similar to my siderite chalco ,specimen labels. I must admit that I only very briefly looked at your attached pic.

After having a good look at the ebay pic Trevor posted, I had a good look at your specimen picture. I decided that they are not the same as my specimens, and most likely dont come from the same deposit.

I have attached a couple of pics, and you will see what I mean, the crystal are all sharp chisel shaped, and there is no rounding. Color isn't completely accurate in my pics, they not quiet as green as shown, the crystals are translucent, and the only other mineral on the specimens is chalcopyrite. ....Greg

27th Jun 2012 15:52 UTCAndrea Sansoni

I submitted a few photos http://www.mindat.org/photo-472980.html of a chinese chalcopyrite/siderite specimen I picked up in S. Marie last week. It is the new material that appeared in Tucson this year and then propagated to other shows. The locality given by the dealer is Ganzizhou, Shichuan, in agreement with previous posts here.

19th Jul 2012 17:09 UTCPeter Haas

A general note on Chinese localities:

If a "new" locality shows up, you never can be sure about the spelling !!!


For further information, read this:

http://www.mindat.org/mesg-105-246465.html

5th Oct 2012 17:35 UTCAndrea Sansoni

I see that my chalcopyrite photos have been accepted for the locality Ganzhizhou Mine, Meigu Co., Liangshan Autonomous Prefecture, Sichuan Province. On the other hand I have just seen some apparently identical specimen offered online apparently from a completely different locality: DaGuishan mine, Hezhou city, Guangxi prov.

http://www.chenxiaojun.com/CrystalMinerals/SideriteSCXJ1209China.html

15th Jan 2013 11:33 UTCAndrea Sansoni

The locality for the chinese chalcopyrite on siderite has been confirmed by B. Ottens to be Hezhang Co., Bijie prefecture, Guizhou province, the name of the mine will be disclosed in a few months. I have changed the locality for my photos http://www.mindat.org/photo-472980.html accordingly.

4th Apr 2013 15:49 UTCAndrea Sansoni

The final locality for the chinese chalcopyrite on siderite has been disclosed by B. Ottens, it is: Kaiwu Mine, Hezhang County, Bijie Prefecture, Guizhou, China

27th Feb 2014 19:33 UTCPeter Haas

Can somebody provide the Chinese name (not the transliteration) of this locality ?


One possibility to write "Kaiwu Mine" is "开无矿". This is not an actual mine name though. While it transliterates to "Kaiwukuang" and thus may be intepreted as meaning "Kaiwu Mine" (矿 = "Kuang" means "mine", "deposit", "ore" or "mineral"), it really translates to "abandoned mine" ("开无" meaning "not open").


Considering that the references on base metal deposits in the Bijie area date back to at least 1979, and many deposits are of a small to medium size, some of them may be mined out already.
 
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