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Meteorite identification flowchart.

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Jolyon & Katya Ralph December 20, 2012 11:56AM
I often get asked "Is this a meteorite?". After talking with other experts, and looking at the data from amateur meteorite enquirites at our local museum, etc, I have put together a flowchart I think you may find useful in trying to determine whether you have found a meteorite or not.

If you follow the flowchart through correctly it will help identify whether you have a meteorite or not with about 99.98% accuracy.

Enjoy!

Jolyon
open | download - flowchart.gif (9.9 KB)
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Johan Kjellman December 20, 2012 01:37PM
Great Jolyon,
You could expand it to a multi-test.
As a tool for the amateur community it seems to be working equally well for gold/platinum/diamond.

cheers
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Scott Sadlocha December 20, 2012 01:51PM
Based on the history of this question, I shouldn't have been drinking my morning coffee when opening up the flowchart, but since it was early morning I wasn't paying attention too well. I laughed so hard I sprayed little drops of coffee all over my laptop screen. :-)

That accuracy level sounds about right.
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MIchael Sharpe December 20, 2012 02:23PM
Thanks for sharing
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Branko Rieck December 20, 2012 02:51PM
:-D

I guess a "Diamond identification flowchart" would fit in here nicely!
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Adam Berluti December 20, 2012 03:04PM
That's hilarious Jolyon! :)-D

I guess that means I didn't find a meteorite then :-D
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Lefteris Rantos December 20, 2012 03:33PM
Adam,

There is still this 0,02% margin of error!!
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Stephen Rose December 20, 2012 05:17PM
Jolyon,

Had a good chuckle and then realized how inappropriate humor is today. Just a few short hours before Doomsday!

Cheers (muted)

Steve
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Beth Schaefer December 20, 2012 06:24PM
Ha you got me at first! I at first thought something was wrong with my connection because the whole flowchart wasn't showing, I was trying to scroll everywhere to get the rest of the chart! I agree with Johan and Branko and also think a flowchart should be made not only for diamond, but for platinum as well!
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David Baldwin December 20, 2012 06:46PM
Very funny Jolyon :-D
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Jim Sullivan December 20, 2012 07:32PM
hahahahahahahahaha!! I want that framed and hanging on the wall in my office! Great Job, Jolyon!
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Rock Currier December 20, 2012 08:35PM
And here I thought I was the most cynical guy here on Mindat. How old does a child/person need to be before we are permitted to deny the existence of Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/20/2012 08:38PM by Rock Currier.
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Maggie Wilson December 20, 2012 09:22PM
allow me to be first to reply to Rock's comments:

WHADDYA MEAN THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS?!

Maggie

PS - loved the flow chart, btw!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/20/2012 09:23PM by Maggie Wilson.
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Keith Compton December 21, 2012 12:37AM
Hey Rock "Grinch" Currier,

Not even you are old enough !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm with you Maggie

Cheers:)-D

Keith



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/21/2012 12:38AM by Keith Compton.
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Adam Kelly December 21, 2012 12:49AM
That's wonderful
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Danny Jones December 21, 2012 01:16AM
He is still bring me rocks! Who am I to say he does not exist! GO SANTA!

Danny Jones
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ronald December 28, 2012 09:50AM
Justin,
Anything relating to meteorites and/or meteor-wrongs sold be run past Anne (Black), as she is as her forensic handwriting analysis report indicates she, apparently is beyond reproach. She also is impossible to debate with a
successful outcome, she always wins the debate. For more info refer to: Geoff Notkin, Dan Wray, or Blaine Reed.
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Jason Evans January 06, 2013 04:22PM
Funniest thing I have seen all day!
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Steve Hardinger January 06, 2013 04:27PM
Jolyon, Based on my experience as a mineral dealer who's answered this question many times over the years, I can say that your flowchart is incomplete. It's missing a second action box, which should be placed after the "no" box. The second action box should read "keep asking other people until someone says yes".
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Joe Mulvey January 06, 2013 06:06PM
Can you export that into a Smart Phone app?
:)-D
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Don Windeler January 06, 2013 08:09PM
Apparently some doctors have recommended 300 belly laughs/day for good health.

The belly laughs I got from sharing this with my wife & son (especially Steve's addendum!) met the quota for the day. Thanks!
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Bob King August 21, 2013 02:49AM
Jolyon,
Thanks for the laugh! I love your chart. I write a daily astronomy blog called Astro Bob (astrobob.areavoices.com) and wondered whether I might use it also on my site with attribution. Please let me know. Thank you!
Bob
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Mineralogical Research Company August 22, 2013 02:11AM
Jolyon,

As we get meteorite identification requests quite regularly, I quickly realized that your Meteorite Identification Flowchart would come in handy. I just didn't realize how soon.... I had just stopped laughing and finally regained my normal serious composure when the following occurred. I went out to retrieve today's mail and found a letter, the contents of which I reveal here.

"Enclosed is a photocopy of 2 asteroids I am selling.

1. They are lighter than normal, maybe a different type.

2. If not real, the only other possibility is a natural formation that is unknown now, but would still be valuable because they are rare.

3. I am selling them for $170-each.

Let me know."

Now I thought immediately to send the fellow your chart, but realized that it only encompasses meteorites, not asteroids and certainly not previously unknown natural formations. As you read this post, I imagine that you are already thinking of how to extend the breadth of your chart. Perhaps you could also add valuation to the chart. I anxiously await Rev.1 to be posted.

With kind regards,
Gene

PS Yes, the above mentioned letter really did arrive today.
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A. A. Faller August 22, 2013 04:02AM
Absolutely PERFECT! Thanks for that...
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Dan Costian August 23, 2013 12:22AM
Hi Bob,
Can you confirm or infirm if this Widmanstatten belongs to a Campo del Cielo (in the begative, waht else) and if possible, which alloys are present according to this pattern? Thanks.
open | download - IMG_8389.jpg (453.8 KB)
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David Garske August 23, 2013 04:04AM
In many years of being a mineral dealer, I was shown 1 that probably was a nickel iron, then--- A guy in Bisbee brought in a box from a Bisbee!! fall. Had them sent to a lab and verified, was ready to really make some money until a meteorite metallurgist stopped in and checked them in his lab. They had been stolen from Meteor crater in Arizona.
Dave
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Dan Costian August 23, 2013 06:57PM
Thank you, David, for sharing your (bad in this case) experience of mistaken locality. Meteorites are different from minerals. First of all, their structure (revealed by etching a polished side) is somehow like a fingerprint for their origin (location). Second, it’s not enough to say “it’s an iron-nickel alloy”; there are various kinds of alloys with distinctive crystal shapes, like kamacite, taenite, schreibersite, cohenite, troilite, plessite and some included even graphite and diamonds. I agree that this has more to do with metallurgy than mineralogy.
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Leor Goldberg September 15, 2013 06:49AM
This is great. This should be an official mindat poster at this point, I think.
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