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Identity HelpID help, - "Rainbow moonstone" volcanic glass
3rd May 2017 15:50 UTCSteve Ipp
The samples were gathered at a beach in northern Taiwan, in beach gravel. Volcanic rock in big boulders was present, - basalt, really black, green obsidian in gravel and some nephrite.
We brought the samples to a local gem testing lab, they said over 40% of SiO2 is present and informed us that it's glass.
The origin of these samples is clearly volcanic, - lots of bubbles present, other types of volcanic glass was also locally found. It's not man made, some fragments were merged with native rock.
Scratch test with a good quality kitchen knife - metal streaks are left on the surface, metal does not scratch the sample.
Samples vary in transparency, - from opaque white with black dots dispersed in the samples with or without bubbles to almost completely transparent samples, some specimens contain a lot of bubbles, some are almost clear. When these samples are clear and viewed in the sun, all rainbow colors could be observed. These really look like rainbow moonstones, - some of the samples only have slight hues of blue, some are very vivid green, orange, blue and yellow.
If you allow, my questions are - is this type of volcanic glass common or is it a completely unknown type of volcanic glass? If unknown, what would you recommend to do next to submit or sell these samples to museums, maybe? Could you recommend a testing facility or lab for testing these? Cost of the samples if you can make an approximation?
Sizes vary from 0,1 mm to 60 mm in diameter (dispersed by fragmentation).
Thank you for your professional viewpoints!
3rd May 2017 21:00 UTCAlexander Ringel
The whitish brownish transparent specimens have a minor value as so called sea glass due their uncommon color. But its not much. Some people collect artificial glasses, when it has been rounded by the sea.
3rd May 2017 22:43 UTCSteve Ipp
On the contrary, why do you exclude the possibility of these specimens being natural?
Please take a look at the photos of one of the specimens found and orthoclase:
You can view this image on Mindat here:
https://www.mindat.org/photo-46141.html
3rd May 2017 23:12 UTCAlexander Ringel
Just have a look at this thread, here you can find a discussion about glass slags. In the later posts you can see even pieces, which are similar to yours.:
https://www.mindat.org/mesg-55-350039.html
4th May 2017 00:18 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
4th May 2017 00:30 UTCSteve Ipp
I also don't agree that everything suspicious or outside the status quo model of either personal, professional or even academic experience & knowledge should be called glass. Also, I can't agree with you that ovens or kilns would be coincidentally produced of rock, usually refractive materials are used.
And the color of these samples does not look brown to me. More like the same rainbow spectrum that a rainbow moonstone has with strong adularescence.
Despite the opposite opinion I am grateful for your attention and your help, Alexander.
The questions remain unanswered, - if it were not glass, what would be the course of action to establish the natural genesis of these?
Are there any similar minerals or rocks that produce adularescence, rainbow color spectrum and contain bubbles? Moonstone is an obvious analog but it does not contain bubbles, or is it theoretically possible since hardness is almost the same?
4th May 2017 00:36 UTCSteve Ipp
In this regard, - what would happen to a moonstone at considerable pressure and remelting? As a hypothesis?
4th May 2017 01:44 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
4th May 2017 01:49 UTCSteve Ipp
4th May 2017 02:08 UTCDonald B Peck Expert
On the hardness issue. Glass has a hardness of about 6. A kitchen knife (in fact most knives) have a hardnss of about 5.5. Thus, they won't scratch glass.
Even if you have moonstone, which I doubt, it isn't worth a great amount. I just finished a project in which I was looking at finished jewelry that was fabricated with moonstone. In nearly all cases, each piece of jewelry was less than $50 for the finished piece.
4th May 2017 02:48 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
I think you'll need to get a chemical analysis of your pieces to see what they are, or what they were made from. With just photos and hardness tests, not going to be enough, unfortunately.
4th May 2017 05:15 UTCVolkmar Stingl
4th May 2017 08:19 UTCSteve Ipp
Volkmar, - the lower stone is nephrite jade. No, the others are not quartz.
Donald, thank you for the hardness comparison. I don't agree that the price of 200+ carat clear transparent rainbow moonstone would be cheap. However, it's almost clear now, these are thermally altered specimens.
4th May 2017 14:10 UTCGregg Little 🌟
In laboratory conditions if you melt moonstone or the feldspar you could manage to regrow very small amounts of small feldspar crystals. All the man-made stuff you find out in the country side is glass, a product of relatively rapid cooling in industrial processes. Where slag is dumped on the ground, it will often include the local rock. Minerals that remelt in the earth core or even at shallow depths (tens of kilometres) recrystallize without air bubbles, and definitely not as glass, because that great laboratory beneath our feet has the temperature, pressure and time to do so. That is why everyone of us here chases these lovely natural works of art.
Air pocket bubbles from rapid cooling, as seen in rocks like basalt, do not occur in minerals and crystals but if you insist they do then it is an extremely rare set of conditions and wouldn't be found commonly in beach gravels and stream sediments. Crystal gas and fluid inclusions are not applicable here as they form through different processes.
When Volkmar said "The black one is clearly a slag glass. The others COULD be quartz.", I am sure he meant the agate is quartz, which it is.
5th May 2017 11:53 UTCSteve Ipp
I can't really insist since I am not a professional in this field, I am just very curious about the origin of these stones. I am not sure if this information is applicable to this case, but the same beach area contains a lot of nephrite pebbles, these too contain bubbles. Besides nephrite bubbles are also visible in volcanic glass, please refer to the photo. The nephrite is tested by the laboratory, it is indeed soft jade.
I probably was to provide this contextual information earlier. This abundance of hard material with gas inclusions logically puts "remelted moonstones" on the same canvas. Or does it not?
5th May 2017 12:14 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager
5th May 2017 12:21 UTCSteve Ipp
I guess we can call it a day with this thread, since there are more questions than answers..
5th May 2017 12:27 UTCWayne Corwin
Are you saying one of those 3 pieces of slag glass has actually been tested as being nephrite jade?
Which one, and by whome?
5th May 2017 12:31 UTCThomas Lühr Expert
5th May 2017 12:59 UTCPeter Nancarrow 🌟 Expert
Pete N
5th May 2017 13:06 UTCSteve Ipp
Thomas, that's an option.
Peter, - soft jade is how nephrite is called in Chinese. I guess I'll need to redo the testing of "nephrite" then return to this thread. Thank you for sharing your ideas, thread is closed.
5th May 2017 13:14 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
5th May 2017 22:51 UTCSteve Ipp
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