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Identity HelpSmithsonite from Guatemala?

11th Oct 2018 05:01 UTCRobert Darabos

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Confused on this specimen. Found in the highlands of Guatemala, Huehuetenango district.


At first I thought it was massive Smithsonite, as it is found locally near some Zinc localities.

But, I think the hardness is off for it. It can NOT be scratched with a fingernail (so not Talc, which I also thought). A steel knife will scratch it, and the mineral itself also scratches glass. I'm not sure what else to use to get the hardness more precise.

It is slightly translucent.

It has a pearly lustre to it and feels slightly velvety.

It does not appear to effervesce in muriatic acid.

It is quite brittle. I broke a smaller piece off a larger piece bare handed.

I tried a Specific Gravity test and got approximately 2.8 - 3

Streak test is bright white.


The first two images are the piece as a whole.

The third image is after I broke it in half to show the inside of it.


Ideas?



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12th Oct 2018 15:05 UTCV. Stingl

This looks like quartz to my eyes.

12th Oct 2018 16:29 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

" A steel knife will scratch it, and the mineral itself also scratches glass" Can you scratch the glass with your steel knife? If not then I would agree with quartz.

13th Oct 2018 04:00 UTCRobert Darabos

Why would the quartz a.) best scratched by a knife and b.) have a pearly velvety lustre?

13th Oct 2018 04:05 UTCDoug Daniels

I also question why a knife blade would scratch quartz. Must be some danged good steel.

13th Oct 2018 16:12 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

Most knives will not scratch glass which makes me doubt the hardness test. Besides the SG is much too low for smithsonite.

13th Oct 2018 16:28 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

If a steel knife (mohs 5.5 approx) scratches it but the mineral also scratches glass (mohs 6.5 approx) then your testing is somewhat suspect.


Try again and make sure that you're not confusing a powder trail with a scratch.

13th Oct 2018 20:08 UTCRobert Darabos

I'm confused about the hardness test. According to the internet, glass should be about a 5.5 and a knife should be about a 5 to 6.5

Wouldn't that mean the the mineral has a hardness between 5.5 and 6.5?

13th Oct 2018 22:55 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

The hardness of a knife varies as does glass. Can you scratch the glass with your knife?

14th Oct 2018 00:43 UTCRobert Darabos

no, the knife does not scratch glass.


i'll find a couple bigger specimens on this and see if i can get some better info.

14th Oct 2018 01:06 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

Well then your specimen is harder than both the knife and glass. That means it could be quartz.
 
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