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Fakes & FraudsMetamorphosis Quartz?
11th Aug 2007 18:12 UTCKristi Hugs
It looks like snow quartz or milky quartz but does anyone know why it is being called Metamorphosis Quartz?
here is a website that carries it, just want your opinions. thanks!!
http://www.exquisitecrystals.com/Metapmorphosis.shtml
11th Aug 2007 18:28 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
11th Aug 2007 18:31 UTCKristi Hugs
11th Aug 2007 19:01 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
11th Aug 2007 23:32 UTCPete Nancarrow
It's just another marketing hype, a way of selling some rather turbid common quartz. Polish it up a bit, call it an exotic-sounding name people will not recognise, and they'll think it's something rare and pay more for it. It probably occurs as massive vein material, without good crystal terminations, and wouldn't sell if pitched alongside limpid rock crystal, amethyst etc. if it was correctly described simply as lumps of polished quartz. And if they can create a market for it, the supply of cheap source material is almost limitless.
Pete N.
12th Aug 2007 03:48 UTCsteven garza
it's garbage.
steve
12th Aug 2007 03:52 UTCKristi Hugs
13th Aug 2007 14:38 UTCKarsten Eig
Since quartz is the second most common mineral in earth's crust, it would probably noty make the same marketing smash to say that it has been geologically metamorhosed!
14th Aug 2007 22:55 UTCColin Robinson
3rd Jun 2008 20:40 UTCKristi
3rd Jun 2008 21:54 UTCIan Jones Expert
3rd Jun 2008 22:08 UTCAmir Akhavan
please forgive me, but what the h..k is "girasol"?
Is there any consistent definition, like something that more than one person agrees on?
I googled one definition saying it's some kind of hyalite, another one says it's an orange opal, another one says "opalized quartz" (however this is supposed to work - this is a worse term than "petrified rock"), and so on.
What you got looks like a fragment of hyalite (in the wider sense of the term, cololess opal) to me, could also be very pale rose quartz or translucent vein quartz.
To distinguish opal from quartz without relying on the nasty scratch tests or optical methods, you could simply measure its specific weight, but you need to work very exactly.
Opal: 1.9-2.5 (usually below 2.3), Quartz: 2.65
Cheers
Amir
3rd Jun 2008 23:34 UTCDebbie Woolf Manager
4th Jun 2008 03:40 UTCJim Bean 🌟
Maybe that's how they worked titanium into what they called this stuff.
5th Jun 2008 12:40 UTCMark Gottlieb
19th Jun 2008 14:07 UTCTed Kepling
2nd Jul 2008 06:04 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
2nd Jul 2008 08:28 UTCHarjo Neutkens Manager
The real metamorphosis here is that the person who believes all this rubbish and buys it will enter a higher state of ignorance and the one selling this garbage a higher state of conmanship.
Believe me, people will buy anything, a famous Italian "Fluxus" artist in the sixties (Pietro Manzoni) once made a piece of art about this phenomenon.....he putt his own shit (literaly!!!) in a tincan, labled it saying "merda d'artista" and believe me or not, they went to famous collections and leading art galleries and musea all over the world and if you want to by a cann with his crap nowadays you'll have to pay a lot of money, go figure......
Here's a pic of the artist's shit, Sothebys sold one last year for 124.000 Euros!!
Cheers
Harjo (who is about to make a metamorphic cup of coffee to counter the effects imposed by the highly metamorphic wine from last night......)
21st Oct 2008 09:39 UTCAwenDawn
http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2001AM/finalprogram/abstract_26002.htm
TEXTURAL FEATURES OF METAMORPHIC QUARTZ AS REVEALED BY SCANNED CATHODOLUMINESCENCE (SEM-CL): POTENTIAL USE IN PROVENANCE STUDIES
TENNISON, Evelyn1, SCHIEBER, Juergen1, and KRINSLEY, David2, (1) Geology, The Univ of Texas at Arlington, Arlington, TX 76019, geodork54@yahoo.com, (2) Geological Sciences, 1272 Univ of Oregon, Eugene, OR 97403-1272
Monotonous under the petrographic microscope, quartz grains show a range of textural features when examined by SEM-CL. Preliminary studies have shown that quartz grains from different sources (volcanic, plutonic, metamorphic) differ in appearance when examined by SEM-CL. In this study, metamorphic source rocks, soils, and stream sediments from the Llano Uplift in Texas were surveyed for SEM-CL features, with the objective to ultimately use the results for provenance studies. The textures observed in the metamorphic rocks under study (schist and gneiss) include: (1) low to moderate intensity mottled/patchy CL with smooth gradients between areas of different intensity; (2) semi parallel bands/lineations of differing CL intensity; (3) cataclasic texture reflecting fragmentation and subsequent cementation/healing, and (4) low intensity (dark) lineations. Texture (1) is interpreted as a result of metamorphic annealing that obliterated pre-existing CL features; texture (2) is considered a reflection of slip/gliding during deformation at high pressures and temperatures; and deformation at somewhat lower P/T conditions deformation may have produced the fracturing seen in texture (3). Field relationships suggest that the dark lineations of texture (4) originated as fractures related to stress caused by granitic intrusions, and were healed with quartz deposited by hydrothermal fluids. These features survive without alteration into soils and stream sediments, but their recognition is grain-size dependent. Sand size or larger quartz grains typically allow identification of the metamorphic source, whereas at coarse silt size approximately 50% of the quartz grains can still be identified as metamorphic. At finer grain sizes the proportion of identifiable grains drops sharply. Because quartz is chemically and mechanically very resistant, as well as ubiquitous in most sediments, understanding SEM-CL features from different source rock types has the potential to greatly aid provenance determination.
GSA Annual Meeting, November 5-8, 2001
General Information for this Meeting
Session No. 30--Booth# 16
Stratigraphy (Posters) I: Silisiclastic
Hynes Convention Center: Hall D
1:30 PM-5:30 PM, Monday, November 5, 2001
21st Oct 2008 17:59 UTCRay Ladbury
26th Oct 2008 00:32 UTCMirabai
26th Oct 2008 18:37 UTCDonald Vaughn
now I can defeat that level fifty mage who's got that azeztulite I need to defeat the level 60 dragon master who's powered by the melody stone. The only thing that is going to immediately increase is the size of the sellers pocket book .
5th Nov 2008 15:09 UTCDavid Kobliha
22nd Feb 2009 15:05 UTCMarjorie
In metaphysical circles (the sincere ones, not the idiots who are just renaming stuff and hyping it/marketing it) true metamorphosis quartz (which was highligted by Melody for its nice energy) comes only from Brazil. I am not a gemologist or a geologist yet (would love to get those degrees someday). The stones that I have, which are the real stuff from Brazil do have that same inner glow to them as the Madagascar Star Rose quartz. I am not familiar enough with Girasol to comment on that, but from your informed conversation above, it doesn't sound like girasol is a true mineral name but more of a slang catch all term for a few different stones.
As far as laughing at all people who believe that crystals carry energy and metaphysical properties...well, laughter is good for the heart and I don't think this hurts anyone. But I do offer you something to think about--I am an MD who loves crystals AND science. I also love the latest material we are learning in quantum physics that helps us understand how everything is connected (entanglement), everything is energy, and we are actually creating things as we go along (google the Copenhagen Experiment or read the book "The Field" by Lynn Mctaggert or watch What the Bleep do We Know if you want to understand more).
They laughed at Columbus as he sailed off telling him that he would fall off the earth guys. You just may be that same laughing crowd ;) Some of us understand a little more of what's up than others...but we all are exactly where we are supposed to be I guess.
"There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy..." --Shakespeare
22nd Feb 2009 15:11 UTCMarjorie
22nd Feb 2009 17:02 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
22nd Feb 2009 19:15 UTCPeter Nancarrow 🌟 Expert
1) I can highly recommend "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart, that Marjorie refers to above, and I think that anyone who is interested in one or more of quantum mechanics, psychology, or science fiction would enjoy it.
It is a very interesting example of a well-written dissertation that subtly wraps up ideas from the outer realms of real science with distorted perception and metaphysics in such a convoluted manner that the boundaries become very indistinct, and its cryptic irrationality could almost convince a true sceptic like myself, so it's not surprising that those who tend to believe in the paranormal would find it utterly convincing. I was about halfway through it before I began to wonder whether I was in fact reading a scientific masterpiece in the "Spinal Tap" mould. It does for quantum mechanics what Graham Hancock's writings do for Egyptology, and is on my bookshelves amongst the works of the Richards Dawkins & Feynman, Isaac Asimov, Terry Pratchett, Douglas Adams and Immanuel Velikovsky (but closer to the latter end of the shelf).
And point 2) ? Oh yes - people are indeed silly.
Pete N.
PS Apologies to the OP; I know this is way off-topic, and nothing to do with "Metamorphosis Quartz", but some things need to be countered.
23rd Feb 2009 15:15 UTCMark Gottlieb
28th Oct 2009 21:37 UTCOwl Woman
Sincerely
Renee
28th Oct 2009 22:51 UTCKyle Beucke 🌟
I actually wonder if some of this crystal healing stuff may be related to OCD, as I have dealt with that in the past, and I think that it lends itself to "magical thinking."
Kyle
28th Oct 2009 23:21 UTCAnonymous User
Well said :)
Just because someone has a PhD doesn't mean they have common sense or know how science works.
Common sense and proper use of the scientific method must be used in all regions of scientific inquiry, sadly some people just don't get it and squint until they see some "evidence" that they think corroborates their hypotheses. Science is based on skepticism, not belief.
As for crystals being magical, that's just cosmik debris (if you don't know what that means; Frank Zappa 1974).
29th Oct 2009 11:52 UTCRock Currier Expert
Are you a PhD? If so what is your degree in and where did you receive it. What kind of amazing energy to your rocks radiate? They are rocks and not minerals, is that correct?
29th Oct 2009 12:08 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
30th Oct 2009 17:22 UTCBri Dragonne
If someone wants to say 'My rock friend awakens my third chakra and speaks to me in my dreams'...well, enjoy.
I like holding rocks and rockhunting.
I have a mid-level knowledge of minerals (Primarily gem minerals) and I appreciate minerals on many levels.
What I cannot stomach is that section (Amazingly large) of the New Age movement that links spirituality with how much money you spend.
Please, do NOT insult my intelligence.
This is not a debate about what stodgy science-types believe and what the enlightened New Ager's believe.
It's about people scamming other people out of money by selling low-grade material that they buy for $1 a kilo, saying that feeling it gives them an inner light of angelic visions and then selling it for $144 a pound, or about 290x what they paid for it.
Why not sell it for $2 a kilo and double their money?
Instead of being greedy and selling it for $144 a pound?
Is this enlightenment?
So, don't try to make this a disagreement about believers and non believers Owl Woman and Marjorie.
Most people on this board are not likely appalled by the fact that someone has New Age beliefs.
Where the real indignation comes from is seeing this kind of scam go on year after year after year.
How do you equate our supposed ignorance with our annoyance at this kind of scam?
It's a scam, not because of the ideas behind this kind of item, but because it's someone ripping off someone else by selling them $1 a kilo material for $144 a pound.
Pure and simple.
30th Oct 2009 18:26 UTCDon Saathoff Expert
Don S.
30th Oct 2009 19:18 UTCSergey Sayamov
Why not trying to take pure metallic plutonium... It not only radiate an amazing amount of energy, it also warms the hands :)
Sorry :)
1st Nov 2009 02:48 UTCJamey Swisher
But either way, that is what they are referring to as Girasol Quartz. It is merely a transparent to semi-transparent form of milky quartz that has some sort of microscopic silk/schiller that causes a bluish glow and/or asterism.
In the gemstone trade, it is called Girasol Quartz, named after the opal of similar appearance.
1st Nov 2009 09:36 UTCBri Dragonne
I tend to think of 'Girasol Quartz' as extremely pale Rose Quartz.
I would guess that the 'Girasol' effect is due to the interference of light by microscopic crystals of something, probably Dumortierite. That is, breaking up the light into a sort of soft, colourless glowy effect.
Which is exactly the same as you get from the translucent Rose Quartz from Madagascar, only paler.
That being said, I think a great deal of the so-called 'Girasol Quartz' is actually just slightly milky Quartz.
And almost all of the 'Girasol Opal' that I've seen is actually either glass (Also called 'Opalite' :S) or Rose Quartz (Usually the paler kind.)
2nd Nov 2009 06:46 UTCJamey Swisher
5th Feb 2011 06:42 UTCLex
25th Mar 2023 00:30 UTCDavid Russo
20th Apr 2023 20:34 UTCSuzanne Cook2
25th Mar 2023 13:57 UTCEd Clopton 🌟 Expert
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