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Photos with child photos

Posted by Robert Simonoff  
Robert Simonoff April 25, 2012 11:23PM
I uploaded a photo that was approved (thank you admins)


This image has a bunch of child photos of minerals you can only see close up. For example, one is fluorite
Fluorite on tanzanite

Fluorite on stilbite

But when I go to the Merelani page and look at fluorite or stilbite, it shows no pictures. Yet when I look through the tanzanite photos I find the piece shown above. Also, when I flip through the tanzanite photos, I do see the latter 2 photos above. Is there some rule about uploading child photos and how one can navigate to them that I was not aware of?

Thanks for any help you can provide
Ray Hill April 26, 2012 09:01AM
a new terminology for me...Child photos...not blowups or magnified view of...but child...I will remember that one..

also a nice little plug
for Jessica's co-authoured article with Mike...nice to know and nice to see.
David Von Bargen April 26, 2012 11:05AM
On a locality page, the photos are categorized by the first mineral on the parent photo.
Robert Simonoff April 26, 2012 11:40AM
OOOhhh! Thanks

Ray thanks. The child photo refers to the mindat term wherein you have a photo and then other views of the same piece. I believe the intent is that if you have one piece with multiple minerals you want to photograph individually, you are supposed to have them all under 1 main photo. Right???

Debbie Woolf April 26, 2012 11:51AM
The main photo is called the 'parent' any additional photo's are called the 'child'.

Bob, I think you can split them up if you want to make a different mineral a parent just need to uploaded it again under the new mineral name.

Robert Simonoff April 26, 2012 12:30PM
Debbie, I am not following, if I do that then someone will point out that I have duplicate photos. I fixed the child photos to have the mineral of interest be the first one for the photo, but fluorite is still not showing a photo for Merelani. I guess it is working off the parent photo's ordering? I really am not sure what I should be doing. There are multiplle minerals of interest here I think.

How can I
1) have fluorite AND stilbite show up with pictures on the locality page
2) keep a record that all these photos come from the same piece
3) not have duplicate photos in mindat which will be flagged in separate discussions

Debbie Woolf April 26, 2012 01:20PM
I am not aware that there is a problem with duplicate photo's, I have seen the same specimen photo's from different members in the galleries, when this was mentioned before (some years ago) Jolyon said it was not a problem.

As I see it the fluorite & stilbite photo's can be re-uploaded as individual parents. You could cross-ref the photo's in the description, linking them.

I hope that answers 1&2 as for 3 I don't see the problem ?
Robert Simonoff April 26, 2012 01:23PM
This is the thread I am referring to (and there are a number of other similar threads) where duplicate photos are reported as issues and fixed.

Duplicate Photo Complaints

David Von Bargen April 26, 2012 01:48PM
There are exceptions to every rule.
Paul De Bondt April 26, 2012 02:16PM
Hi Bob and all,

The duplicate photo's are these where the picture of the specimen is the same or nearly the same. It makes no sense to show 2 or 3 times the same specimen in the same position.
If you have a specimen with 5 different minerals on it, and you photograph each mineral separately, it can be uploaded as parent photo's, like Debbie said. Nobody will fall over that, because the minerals are NOT the same in each picture.

I hope this helps.

Take care and best regards.

Robert Simonoff April 26, 2012 02:32PM
Right Paul, that was my understanding as well, though David's response puzzled me (how would all the admins know who is thinking if the situation is exceptional or not). So Paul, you would NOT recommend uploading separately the same image as a child of the first AND as a parent (2 identical photos just different positions in the tree), right? In otherwords:

The following structure does NOT yield a photo for fluorite and a separate photo for stilbite on the locality page, it only yields a tanzanite photo
Photo 1- Tanzanite
+--- Photo 2- Fluorite
+--- Photo 3- Stilbite
+--- Photo 4 - Chabazite

The following might (will?) be flagged as duplicate photos and depending on the admin may or may not get fixed:
Photo 1 - Tanzanite
+--- Photo 2 - Fluorite
+--- Photo 3 - Stilbite
+--- Photo 4 - Chabazite
Photo 2 (dup) - Fluorite
Photo 3 (dup) - Stilbite

The following would accomplish the goal of being able to see that there is a fluorite and stilbite photo available from Merelani and would avoid complications of duplicate photo flagging, but would lose the connection that these are all the same piece:

Photo 1 - Tanzanite
Photo 2 - Fluorite
Photo 3 - Stilbite
Photo 4 - Chabazite

Do I have it right now?

David Von Bargen April 26, 2012 02:50PM
If you followed Debbie's suggestion "You could cross-ref the photo's in the description, linking them." and had different minerals listed first, it would be apparent what you were trying to do.
Debbie Woolf April 26, 2012 04:22PM
Bob, I think those that have had complaints on them where exact duplicates of a specimen photo in the same gallery by the same uploader, I presume duplicate uploads at different dates. What you are doing is placing 2 other minerals into there respective galleries that might not get noticed just as child photo's so by adding them making them parent photo's will help in educating & cross referencing the database.

I believe this is the exception ;-)
Robert Simonoff April 26, 2012 04:26PM
Thanks for the explanations and sorry it took so long for me to understand. I appreciate your patience.

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