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GeneralPersonal Sponsorship Appeals - Please Try Another Approach
12th Jan 2018 20:54 UTCScott Braley
Especially weird since it keeps asking me to sponsor the currently unsponsored locality of "Germany" ... eesh.
Cheers,
Scott
12th Jan 2018 21:56 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
12th Jan 2018 22:06 UTCPeter Andresen Expert
12th Jan 2018 22:16 UTCScott Braley
12th Jan 2018 22:50 UTCJohn R. Montgomery 🌟 Expert
I'm fine with any means the administration deems necessary in order to keep Mindat afloat.
12th Jan 2018 22:55 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
12th Jan 2018 23:06 UTCLarry Maltby Expert
Here is what happened. I didn’t want to do anything financial over the internet! My son and daughter-in- law think that I am an old foggy. They are right; I am an old dog that can’t learn new tricks. I started looking for an address so that I could donate by check. Mindat wanted me to open a new E-mail account (outlook express). I didn’t want to do that either but I finally broke down and opened the account. I sent a message asking for an address to mail a check. I looked for an answer for three months and it never came. Then I started thinking Is Mindat ready to receive checks or will my check set in some in-box for months waiting to be cashed? I sent the check two days ago to the address that finally appeared on the yellow banner at the top of the page. Now I am wondering if the bombardment of personal fund raising messages will stop when the check is cashed. The personal requests for donations may be helpful for a limit of one week but I doubt that the constant bombardment will be effective.
I hope that this all works out. I think of Mindat as the Olympics of mineral collecting, it knows no political boundaries. It is unique for the number of professionals that are willing to discuss mineralogy and geology with us armatures.
12th Jan 2018 23:14 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager
I certainly like the little yellow bar at the top of the page.
Perhaps any personal sponsorship should occur only as you log in.
People these days want everything for free.
I hear you Peter but if that happened many of us would turn to drink !!!!!! We don't want to go to the dark side.
I am always surprised that mineral clubs and like associations are largely non-existant as sponsors.
It wouldn't take much for these clubs to sponsor a nearby locality or state mineral etc. Virtually all clubs have some surplus funds and such sponsorship may encourage their own members to also sponsor.
I am sure that many mineral club members use Mindat. Why not use Mindat as a means of promoting their own club association and promote activities in their area. It could be quite a promotional tool.
I could go on and on but I think that needs a separate thread ... -:))
13th Jan 2018 00:18 UTCMatt Neuzil Expert
13th Jan 2018 04:23 UTCJon Aurich
13th Jan 2018 04:29 UTCJon Aurich
13th Jan 2018 04:43 UTCDoug Daniels
13th Jan 2018 09:19 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
The way it works is that it targets people who use the site extensively but haven't sponsored a page. The more you use the site, the more likely you are to get the message.
Now, if you sponsor a page, the red boxes go away for six months.
No-one is exempt from these other than those who have bought a sponsorship - even I get these red boxes all day long as I'm working. I figure if I can deal with them as I use mindat then you can too.
And yes, the suggestion to shut mindat.org down occasionally in order to highlight how desperately we need funds to survive has been discussed within the management from time to time - yet I also hope we don't have to do this.
If mindat.org does shut down it won't be because we're doing it deliberately, it's because we can't afford to pay our expensive hosting bills.
Just remember that before you next complain - someone has to pay these bills, and if it's not you, then you're relying on the generosity of other mindat.org members to pay for your access.
Jolyon
13th Jan 2018 09:22 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
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> I think that people who give photographs of their personal collections to the vast Mindat archive would also be considered a great donation.
We are always grateful for this, but don't forget storing your photos adds to our operating costs and doesn't do anything to help us pay the bills!
Jolyon
13th Jan 2018 10:02 UTCJon Aurich
13th Jan 2018 11:17 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
A big question to answer is why they should support mindat since it is freely available now. You might stand a better chance if you were starting from scratch.
13th Jan 2018 11:44 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
13th Jan 2018 11:54 UTCRoy Starkey 🌟 Manager
I recall raising the issue of sponsorship a few years ago, much along the same lines, but cannot locate that post / discussion thread.
Are you able, please, to share with us some simple statistics? How many "members" does Mindat have registered? How many of these sponsor a page?
I too consider that a bit less than £1 a week is a fair contribution to a resource which is undoubtedly beneficial to mineralogy in general and the collecting community in particular. The reluctance of users to "put their hand in their pocket" is not unique to Mindat, but I would have thought that most people would be sorry to see it die.
Come on folks - we're talking about ten cups of coffee in Starbucks or Costa - do it today!
Cheeres
Roy
13th Jan 2018 12:26 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
The hosting bills are just a small part of our expenses but are over $500/month.
> Are you able, please, to share with us some simple statistics?
Mindat.org currently has 38,466 registered users and 224 sponsored pages, which is less than 1% of users registering a page.
> The reminder system does not seem to be working
We have always had problems with the reliability of automated emails sent from the server arriving in your mailbox. If this was easy then you'd get 100 times more spam mails than you do now. One way to help is to ensure you 'whitelist' the account that the mail is being sent from to ensure your mail software doesn't classify it as spam.
Jolyon
13th Jan 2018 12:50 UTCJamison K. Brizendine 🌟 Expert
The way it works is that it targets people who use the site extensively but haven't sponsored a page. The more you use the site, the more likely you are to get the message.
Now, if you sponsor a page, the red boxes go away for six months.
No-one is exempt from these other than those who have bought a sponsorship - even I get these red boxes all day long as I'm working. I figure if I can deal with them as I use mindat then you can too.
I have two sponsored pages and I occasionally receive them. Maybe it goes into effect after I renew the pages?
However, one thing I do want to ask is if the personal appeals only targets localities? I have never gotten a banner asking me to donate for a specific rock or mineral page.
If the current method of personal appeals seems to be bringing in funds than I see no reason to discontinue it, unless as David V. B. already mentioned, somebody has a better approach, which is where the original topic started. (I don't have an alternate approach so I cannot comment on that...)
Finally, Roy the thread you mentioned is here: https://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,333236
13th Jan 2018 13:59 UTCRoy Starkey 🌟 Manager
So, if we could get just 224 people to sponsor one page each, we'd cover the server costs for considerably more than one year.
Thanks for finding the old thread Jamison - https://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,6,333236 - it seems that it is still relevant, three and a half years on.
Roy
13th Jan 2018 14:00 UTCChristian Auer 🌟 Expert
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> Jon Aurich Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think that people who give photographs of
> their personal collections to the vast Mindat
> archive would also be considered a great
> donation.
>
> We are always grateful for this, but don't forget
> storing your photos adds to our operating costs
> and doesn't do anything to help us pay the bills!
>
> Jolyon
Having uploaded about 7000 pictures this answer makes me a bit feeling guilty. So better not upload pics??
Nevertheless I also sponsor a page ...
As final conclusio (before shutting down) I would accept a monthly fee. Everything costs in life, at least some time.
13th Jan 2018 14:05 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
13th Jan 2018 14:43 UTCMario Pauwels
For example; now the members home page is free for everyone. Some members use there homepage, and others don't. Why not create something like a 'premium' membership where members who want can pay a annual fee or contribution for some extra tools they get in return to personalize there own homepage, lay out,...
That way the the so called 'basic' memberships like we know them now could stay free for every user, but if they want members can also sign up for a 'premium' membership with extras.
Just one idea, but the possibiliets are endless.
Best regards,
Mario Pauwels
13th Jan 2018 15:09 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
13th Jan 2018 15:31 UTCDonald B Peck Expert
13th Jan 2018 16:51 UTCJakub Plasil Expert
Cheers Jakub
13th Jan 2018 17:09 UTCJohn M Stolz Expert
Kevin Conroy's idea is one that probably deserves some thought. On the pro side, that might enjoin one to "take ownership" of a type of expense, and fund it. On the con side, it might stop the support of those who believe the site is not being managed "efficiently" according to their criteria assuming they would support the site it it were being run efficiently in their eyes
As a point of interest, I only occasionally use the site and have sponsored a mineral, but I'm sure it has expired and yet I have not received a reminder to renew. And yes, I manage my spam.
Certainly is a lot to consider
13th Jan 2018 18:42 UTCGary Weinstein
13th Jan 2018 19:40 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
13th Jan 2018 20:51 UTCMark Heintzelman 🌟 Expert
Nothing's for free, right?
13th Jan 2018 21:17 UTCOlivier Mével Expert
For example here are iconic localities that are waiting for you : Namibia, England, Les Farges mine, Chessy copper mines, Rogerley Mine, Grand canyon, Herkimer Co., Mibladen Mining District, Mars (planet)!, etc...
i share you a "free" photograph of Groix island that i sponsor and that isn't in the mindat database. Enjoy and let you browse the other pictures of this famous "Groix" locality worldly known for "glaucophane" mineral.
Cheers
Olivier
Pointes des Chats, Groix Island, Morbihan, Brittany, France.
13th Jan 2018 22:11 UTCBecky Coulson 🌟 Expert
I agree - that 1% sponsorship rate is dismal, and I wish that readers would tell Mindat their reasons for NOT sponsoring a page - not so others can be judgemental, but so we can understand why more pages are not sponsored. What would it take?
I am by no means wealthy, but a $50 per year sponsorship is not a huge amount and I use Mindat almost daily. It is like having a library, a mineral museum, a world atlas of localities and the help of experts at my fingertips, to say nothing of how I learn new things daily and "meet" fascinating people via the message board discussions. I have a very modest budget for my mineral hobby - and Mindat is easily the wisest expenditure.
Many people have contributed tremendously with articles and excellent photos and descriptions of minerals, localities, etc. I thank them and admire them and realize that Mindat is so great because of their efforts...but yes, money is also required to keep all those entries on line. For the sake of those who really do struggle financially, I hope that Mindat never limits or excludes their usage of the site.
13th Jan 2018 22:39 UTCLarry Maltby Expert
There is an unintended consequence with your proposal. As I stated above, I sent a check using the yellow banner at the top of the page. It was not a lot of money; I have been retired for 23 years on a fixed income, but it was more than the amount to sponsor one page. I don’t think that I should be penalized because I have not sponsored a page. I simply chose another method to donate. I mention this because if Mindat automated your proposal I and others would be penalized. I don’t think that was your intent.
P.S. Becky, I did explain why I did not donate up until now. (See above) The yellow banner solved my problem.
Larry,
14th Jan 2018 00:00 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager
With Mindat being a worldwide site, I can imagine how difficult it is to raise money to support and operate. Fortunately, users are able to sponsor a site they enjoy and feel like they are giving back. Like Becky, I can't say that I am wealthy, but I do manage to sponsor five pages at $50 a crack. I do this because not only do I use Mindat daily, I also am a major contributor to the site and feel that my work and efforts, while very much appreciated, in the end do not pay the bills. However, not everyone can do this and I fully can understand some of the reasons. On the other hand, I listen at various shows how people say they love Mindat and couldn't live without it, but let's think about the fact that most decent specimens these days are $50+; how hard would it be to forgo one (just one!) specimen purchase per year and put that money towards a website many people would agree is an integral part of their collection?
14th Jan 2018 00:18 UTCMark Heintzelman 🌟 Expert
I'm sure "the system" can be tweeked to include all financial contributors, regardless of the manner they do so.
I understand fixed incomes, surely the well deserving and otherwise contributing members in that situation ought to be granted a request for a pass on this if they really can't participate. I'm not a big budget collector living in my ivory tower, so I certainly appreciate that people do have various levels of "essentially mandatory" financial constraints. Keep in mind, that we've had this "at your discretion" option for many years and the results are far from positive, even essentially inadequate from what I am gathering. Something has to give to help motivate sufficient support, and it seems to me the basic "bread and Butter" expenses ought to be coming from simple "bread and butter" solutions, like increasing the dismal rate of sponsorship.
14th Jan 2018 01:00 UTCPeter Tarassoff Expert
14th Jan 2018 01:13 UTCDoug Daniels
14th Jan 2018 01:33 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager
Re Where to sponsor a local or mineral
Just go to any location that you want to sponsor, or to a mineral page and on the top right of the page is a sponsor question (unless already sponsored)
Click on that link and then pay up !! -:))
Yes I know it's obvious but it could be mentioned somewhere on the donation form as an alternative. ie with a donation you just get a receipt, whereas with a sponsorship you also get your name up in lights - ok not realy big lights -:))
Cheers
14th Jan 2018 09:03 UTCJyrki Autio Expert
Could you show us the effect of banner campaign and this conversation in sponsorship rate?
I use this site a lot and together they affected the way I think about mindat vs. being without this wealth of information.
I prefer voluntary pay simply because money doesn't grow in trees in all parts.
14th Jan 2018 11:11 UTCOlivier Mével Expert
Olivier
14th Jan 2018 11:47 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
Well, I have to thank Scott for starting this thread, because yesterday was our best day ever for sponsored pages, with 17 registered.
From 12th November to 11th December we had a total of SIX page sponsorships.
From 12th December (when the new campaign started) to 11th Jan we had 81 page sponsorships.
Now, I'm not a marketing expert, but I suspect a 1,350% increase would be regarded as a success.
> It will be interesting to have access to a google world map of all sponsored localities, regularly updated
Good idea!
14th Jan 2018 14:27 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
14th Jan 2018 14:32 UTCJason Evans
What it boils down to is how often do you use Mindat and do you appreciate all the features it has, if you think it is worth donating to keep using it then there should be no issue.
I have been a member since 2007 and use the site on a almost daily basis, I have uploaded 626 images so far, I have made good friends through Mindat, had help identifying some of my minerals, I use Mindat to catalogue my collection and generally learnt a lot more about minerals and the localities they can be found.
For these reasons I have been considering donating, the only thing holding me back was I am not exactly flush with money and I did not know what a reasonable amount to donate was, the recommended amount of $20 a month for 2 years seemed a bit much for me , especially if that was going to be taken as a single payment, which I would assume it is unless you have to set up a direct debit.
On the other hand, in my opinion, to keep Mindat running I think the lowest amount that is asked $25 is not enough, I suppose I could have just donated $50 which I think is reasonable, and I didn't really consider sponsoring a locality or mineral page because, to be honest i was't exactly sure what that meant, I thought it might be that only experts on those particular localities or minerals could do that, or if it was meant for for people to advertise their business.
So when the personal appeals started appearing it gave me the encouragement I needed to do it, because then I knew that you didn't have to be an expert or have a business, anyone can sponsor a mineral or locality page. What was interesting is that it only seems to ask you to sponsor a locality page, at least it did with me and it seemed that it was aimed specifically at me because the first locality it offered was a locality in Wales, and being Welsh I do have a fondness for Welsh mineral localities!, the second one was to sponsor Cligga mine in Cornwall, and that is a site I have collected on twice and have uploaded images so is that a coincidence or is it by design?
I decided I wanted to sponsor a mineral page not a locality, I think sponsoring a page is just a bit more fun than just making a donation, I don't gain anything from having my name on that page, other than the fact I am now the charoite king. But at the same time I think sponsoring a page is a good idea because if it's a simple donation nobody else can see that people are making donations so might not be inclined to do so themselves, where if every page they look at they can see someone has made a donation it might just encourage others to follow suit.
14th Jan 2018 14:38 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
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> Given the current uproar over "net neutrality", I'm surprised anyone would be in favor of throttling access speed to the site based on the type of membership account they have.]
This has nothing to do with net neutrality.
Net Neutrality is to ensure your service provider doesn't restrict access to a site that you have permission to use.
It's a bit like saying I have a key and I can lock my door and prevent people I don't want coming into my house, but what I don't want is for someone else to also have a key to my door, and to lock the door to stop my friends coming into my house without paying THEM.
14th Jan 2018 15:22 UTCScott Braley
That's half of net neutrality. The other half is paid "fast lanes," which is exactly what you're describing.
I'm glad you're getting the sponsorships you need. I still find the methodology creepy and intrusive, but hey, whatever makes money, right?
How to get me to donate in general:
1) sell me things. I buy a lot of t-shirts and baseball caps for various causes.
2) open your books. Too many horror stories about charitable orgs abusing their finances.
3) re: sponsoring a locality - give me a 1-liner "this is my favorite site," "I've been coming here since I was a kid," "check out the fluorites," whatever. I'm nobody in the general collecting world and I'm not in business - my name on the "sponsored by" is meaningless. The chance to say a couple words would make a difference.
14th Jan 2018 15:46 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
14th Jan 2018 16:05 UTCEd Clopton 🌟 Expert
14th Jan 2018 16:39 UTCMatt Neuzil Expert
14th Jan 2018 16:46 UTCJolene Buttolph
I looked at all of the members and the number of photos they have yesterday which took me a couple of hours. Most of the huge collections do not pony up for a page that can be seen, if they pay something elsewhere, good. But photos are huge and probably are the main cost of your server bill. I hope you have some kind of income stream from all of those photos to offset the amount of money you pay to store them.
I've also read most of the message board posts over the last couple of weeks regarding keeping the site up and running cost wise (can't help it since I'm a CFO). My advice is to start charging $10 per year to be a registered member and reduce the cost of page sponsorship to the same price. This would help with those on a fixed income and reduce the number of join up's that never use the site that seem to be choking your membership rolls. I also worry that you have duplicate memberships which indicate you may have duplicate photos being stored. But that may not be, it is hard to trouble-shoot a site just from the membership rolls.
It would be also a good idea to include a column in your membership rolls that indicate the level of donations from each member received in the current membership year. Having this information for all members to see encourages 'keeping up with the Joneses' and will help increase income.
People, no matter how much they like a site, will not pay to stay unless they are required to. It's just human nature
I hope my comments are helpful. I would not want to see this site fail.
14th Jan 2018 20:06 UTCLarry Maltby Expert
I keep thinking about how much the insight of the Mindat professionals means to me. That along with the fact that I subscribe to two mineral magazines (cost, about $150 per year) leads me to believe that a registration or subscription fee is not a bad idea. I like the mags but I spend a lot more time on Mindat and regard it as a much higher value. It’s on line! The future is online international participation.
I do understand that the success of a fee would be a gamble and it requires a lot of thought. One way to estimate the participation would be to analyze the subscription levels for all of the mineral magazines worldwide etc. It would also retard the participation of beginners, but that could be compensated for by a free six month trial membership, to continue, the fee would be required. I regret saying this but the number of poor quality photos may be reduced and that could be a good thing. The data base would be more about quality and less about numbers and the cost of storage would be reduced. Someday these issues will have to be faced. (What about going back to the I MB size limit on photo files?)
Larry,
14th Jan 2018 20:11 UTCMark Heintzelman 🌟 Expert
It is true, I don't have any statistics or numbers to crunch to "guesstimate" whether many smaller membership fees or fewer but larger sponsorship fees would provide the best results. All we do know is that after several years now, kind requests for support have still not generated sufficient results. We really do need something simple and reliable to cover the basics. Putting a lot of effort into raising funds even for basic survival likely puts a huge strain on mindat's management as a whole.
As you say . . "it's human nature".
In the meantime, I've decided to sponsor an additional mineral page. "I am now the Lord of Clinochlore, Do not trifle with me"!
MRH
15th Jan 2018 07:38 UTCA. M.
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> I should have donated and sponsored last year
> before Trump raised the standard deduction :D :D
> :D
I didn't know it's political site, not rock/mineral, interesting.
15th Jan 2018 08:35 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
> paid "fast lanes," which is exactly what you're
> describing.
Again, no it's totally not. Any site can decide to limit their bandwidth to a user based on what level of account they have. This has been going on since the internet started.
We're not planning to do to this - just to be clear - but it has NOTHING to do with net neutrality. The paid 'fast lanes' you talk about are fast lanes defined *and charged* by the ISP not by the service operator.
It's important to understand exactly what net neutrality is so that everyone understands how important it is, and what a terrible decision it was to scrap it. (Sorry for going political, but every website owner feels the same way about this)
>
> I'm glad you're getting the sponsorships you need.
> I still find the methodology creepy and
> intrusive, but hey, whatever makes money, right?
>
> How to get me to donate in general:
> 1) sell me things. I buy a lot of t-shirts and
> baseball caps for various causes.
> 2) open your books. Too many horror stories about
> charitable orgs abusing their finances.
> 3) re: sponsoring a locality - give me a 1-liner
> "this is my favorite site," "I've been coming here
> since I was a kid," "check out the fluorites,"
> whatever. I'm nobody in the general collecting
> world and I'm not in business - my name on the
> "sponsored by" is meaningless. The chance to say
> a couple words would make a difference.
15th Jan 2018 08:35 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
> paid "fast lanes," which is exactly what you're
> describing.
Again, no it's totally not. Any site can decide to limit their bandwidth to a user based on what level of account they have. This has been going on since the internet started.
We're not planning to do to this - just to be clear - but it has NOTHING to do with net neutrality. The paid 'fast lanes' you talk about are fast lanes defined *and charged* by the ISP not by the service operator.
It's important to understand exactly what net neutrality is so that everyone understands how important it is, and what a terrible decision it was to scrap it. (Sorry for going political, but every website owner feels the same way about this)
> I'm glad you're getting the sponsorships you need.
> I still find the methodology creepy and
> intrusive, but hey, whatever makes money, right?
I'm sorry that you find it creepy and intrusive. But there's absolutely nothing creepy about it. It recommends localities based on edits you have made and photos you have uploaded - all of which is part of the public record. Google does far worse every day with their advertising in using *private* information, which we don't.
> How to get me to donate in general:
> 1) sell me things. I buy a lot of t-shirts and baseball caps for various causes.
We already do this primarily to help subsidise our expenses at shows, but the danger is that if people buy a t-shirt *instead* of sponsoring a page, we're going to be seriously out of pocket.
> 2) open your books. Too many horror stories about charitable orgs abusing their finances.
This is coming.
> 3) re: sponsoring a locality - give me a 1-liner "this is my favorite site," "I've been coming here since I was a kid," "check out the fluorites,"
This is a good idea. I'm working on this section at the moment so this may very well happen
15th Jan 2018 16:54 UTCScott Braley
> > I'm glad you're getting the sponsorships you
> need.
> > I still find the methodology creepy and
> > intrusive, but hey, whatever makes money,
> right?
>
> I'm sorry that you find it creepy and intrusive.
> But there's absolutely nothing creepy about it. It
> recommends localities based on edits you have made
> and photos you have uploaded - all of which is
> part of the public record. Google does far worse
> every day with their advertising in using
> *private* information, which we don't.
*shrug* I've said my piece, you've listened and disagreed. This particular campaign is a negative to me, not to others. Proceed as you will.
> > How to get me to donate in general:
> > 1) sell me things. I buy a lot of t-shirts and
> baseball caps for various causes.
>
> We already do this primarily to help subsidise our
> expenses at shows, but the danger is that if
> people buy a t-shirt *instead* of sponsoring a
> page, we're going to be seriously out of pocket.
And I've bought them to support you.
> > 2) open your books. Too many horror stories
> about charitable orgs abusing their finances.
>
> This is coming.
Groovy.
> > 3) re: sponsoring a locality - give me a 1-liner
> "this is my favorite site," "I've been coming here
> since I was a kid," "check out the fluorites,"
>
> This is a good idea. I'm working on this section
> at the moment so this may very well happen
It would make a difference to me. A lot of the site descriptions are very technical, it would add a nice personal touch.
15th Jan 2018 16:55 UTCDonald B Peck Expert
15th Jan 2018 18:44 UTCJoshua Chambers
Just an idea
Josh
15th Jan 2018 20:15 UTCMichael Hatskel
15th Jan 2018 20:30 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
As much as it would be simple to charge a subscription to use the site, I have no intention of going back on my word. People contributed (and continue to contribute) with the expectation that their information entered will be openly available to all. I will not disappoint them.
Now, charging a "membership" fee that gives extra privileges and status, maybe faster approval for photos, maybe some other benefits, that's not necessarily a bad idea (but again, not one I'm actively pursuing), but we will NOT charge for access to the site. That's not our way of doing things!
Instead we will continue to gently and politely remind you all that donations help keep us alive. We've been going now for 17 years so I think the basic concept is good :)
Jolyon
15th Jan 2018 20:50 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
The comment about "partially dependent" refers to fees already being collected. Much like many mineral shows, a good portion of the expenses are being covered by dealers/advertisers. I'm sure you've noticed the ads on Mindat's pages. Those aren't free! See: https://www.mindat.org/directory_upgrade.php
Lastly, some fuel for thought... From the bottom of Mindat's home page:
"Mindat.org is an outreach project of the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization.
Copyright © mindat.org and the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy 1993-2018, except where stated. Mindat.org relies on the contributions of thousands of members and supporters. Mindat.org does not offer minerals for sale.
Mindat.org is affiliated with the Friends of Mineralogy. Their mission is to promote, support, protect and expand the collection of mineral specimens and to further the recognition of the scientific, economic and aesthetic value of minerals and collecting mineral specimens."
From the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy "who we are" page (http://www.hudsonmineralogy.org/whoweare.htm")
"What is The Hudson Institute of Mineralogy?
The Hudson Institute of Mineralogy is a not-for-profit research, cultural and educational entity chartered by the Board of Regents of the University of the State of New York in 2003. In addition to its not-for-profit status, the Institute applied to the Internal Revenue Service as a tax-exempt organization under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code. This application was approved in 2004, and as such, donations to the Institute are tax deductible to the fullest extent allowed by law.
Our Mission Statement:
The Hudson Institute of Mineralogy is dedicated to the discovery, study and preservation of mineral species and their history, and to increasing public awareness and appreciation of the mineral kingdom through outreach and education. Our primary outreach effort is the widely known-website: www.mindat.org.
Our People:
The members of the Institute's Board of Directors are drawn from the scientific, educational and business communities. Some of them, like founder Tony Nikischer, are involved in mineralogy in some capacity, while others are simply concerned citizens with expertise in other fields. In addition, the Institute's original Science Advisory Board was made up of Dr. Pete Dunn of the Smithsonian Institution (retired), Dr. George Robinson, former curator at the Canadian Museum of Nature and retired Curator of the A.E. Seaman Mineral Museum, and Professor of Mineralogy at Michigan Technical University, Andy Roberts, Chief X-Ray Mineralogist at the Canadian Geological Survey (retired), and Dr. William B. Simmons, Professor of Mineralogy and Petrology at the University of New Orleans (retired). The Directors and Science Advisors serve the Institute without remuneration, and an army of worldwide volunteers keep Mindat.org current."
15th Jan 2018 22:07 UTCDon Saathoff Expert
In the US we have the Public Broadcasting System (PBS) which delivers into our homes via the television quality broadcasting and honest news reports - even a good number of BBC shows FREE
and its funded publicly. Granted that during their fund drives several times a year we have to put up with interruptions to what we're watching.....SMALL price to pay!!
SO,
I hereby publicly pledge $100 per year as my meager contribution to this fine organization. Because of my financial situation I cannot make it in one lump sum but won't be hurt by 20% per month. I challenge all other "frequent flyers" to do the same.....
Don & Cookie Saathoff
16th Jan 2018 01:51 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
Mindat.org is an outreach project of the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization.
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Copyright © mindat.org and the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy 1993-2024, except where stated. Most political location boundaries are © OpenStreetMap contributors. Mindat.org relies on the contributions of thousands of members and supporters. Founded in 2000 by Jolyon Ralph.
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