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beautiful words & theories vs. sad reality

Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 14, 2019 08:56PM
Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:
> please feel free to start a new one to discuss (politely!) any points raised
I'm asking myself for how long it last before I will again face the same 'nice troubles' and will start 'embarrassing' everybody around... Anyway to explain WHY this two now closed topics was/are for me important - because... I was so stupid that after nearly 20 years, in one beautiful summer day, after swimming a while - I went for a short walk (in flip-flops) to check a series of strange looking rocks on the end of the nice Sardinian bay. Really, the last thing that I needed in my life was to start spend money on minerals and books. Checking sometimes what's new on Mindat compare to starting to participate in - they are two different things. From the distance is much more visible, what's missing and what's not as it should be. So after a year - first what I started was dividing gabbro-diabase rocks in the area of my favorite coal mine in Nowa Ruda/Poland, because I could not believe what is happened there. A year is gone so I thought after the first step is done, much more could be achieved because of the very simple reason - a first sign of the light on the end of the tunnel: a possibility of reactivate mining industry. I'm not a big fan of coal as a energy source, but if the Australian mining company ahve a different point of view - why not? Of course in the different scale as before and without a huge negative impact on the environment. Am I naive? Maybe yes maybe not, we will see...

Anyway - first and very big problem is location of old mining fields, in entire Polish part of Intra-Sudetic Basin (Depresion) more than maybe 30 (in an optimistic variant) coexisted and mixed areas. Lots of data from the boreholes with a minimum chance to find accurate coordinates of them. But minimum is not zero... As a bonus in troubles - nearly every post mining coal dump in the last stage of mining, was totally covered with the black and later self-burning s..t, that change everything in the dump completely. For someone like me, who remember how it was looking before coal-containing rocks was thrown on 'heaps' - truly drama...
I though I will win some informations, if we maybe correct not properly done localities within Cu/Ag belt of mines in Lower Silesia. Simple shape,. simple geology, new simple rules - a new strategy - and after a while I achieved big NOTHING ! Permanently arguing about everything - in the name of personal or emotional problems??? Sorry, a big joke !
I will not spend one single minute of my life on searching old minerals specimens between the peoples that I know, who still have them - only to have pure satisfaction to show them on Mindat, if this all will be in the future as it is now.
The only one nice thing - old German specimens of alumohydrocalcite from the old collections, now in USA, slowly arriving into the photo-gallery. I hope to see one more time a baryte crystals - so rare but also typically for the locality, with UNBELIEVABLE amount of crystal faces, a truly treasure for every micromount & thumbnails collector. I was lucky (and also incredible stupid) that I have found one (2cm only) - and later turned it to powder for diffraction research - one of this many thing in my life that I can only describe with the question 'why?' - without any reasonable answer...
Conclusion? I propose personal reflections... or as usually, everything is great, the choice is simple !

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/15/2019 05:32PM by Debbie Woolf.
Pavel Kartashov April 14, 2019 11:57PM
A lot of words, but their sence is hidden deep inside of this pile.

No one is forcing you to do anything beyond your capabilities. Personally, I feel comfortable sharing with people photos of samples from my collection and information about the deposits of which I really have information. I am happy to spend minutes of my life for taking pictures and writing captions to these pictures.
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 15, 2019 08:11AM
Everybody is different - maybe my Polish soul with German brain is causing problems? "Ordnung muss sein" my Friend - we are talking about Silesia!
Doug Daniels April 15, 2019 06:57PM
As long as we are all civil in our responses.... all is okee-dokee here. Let's not be like a certain prominent political figure in a certain country. We can all learn even from disagreements.
Ralph Bottrill April 15, 2019 11:05PM
We certainly understand and appreciate your passion for geology and minerals, and your wish to share this with us all. We also understand your pain at sacrificing nice crystals for analysis, and of trying to make changes in Mindat: even Jolyon gets frustrated with so much to do with such a huge database, trying to please everyone with too few people willing to do the hard work. We don’t always understand what you want, maybe some translation issues, and I haven’t read all your posts as I’m a long way from Poland, but it seems you want to restructure things by mineral fields? That can happen if we define non-hierarchical regions, which takes time and knowledge. Meanwhile the best we can do is to ensure we list all the important mineral sites, using our standard administrative divisions, ensuring coordinates, mineral list and descriptions are as complete and accurate as can be. We can sort out appropriate hierarchies and districts later, as good tools are being developed now.
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 16, 2019 12:24AM
Ralph Bottrill Wrote:
> Krzysztof ... it seems you want to restructure things by mineral fields?

I saw few times your really great effort to change tense situations in the right direction and I appreciate this more than you can imagine. No - I wanted to learn myself how to deal with areas of mining fields that are crossing administrative borders according to the new rules. But here - before you reach any point in discussion, you can lost all energy in the totaly paranoic argue about so simply things, that words can't describe it !

with description:
"During the Mindat Conference in July 2011 we also visited this very intersting mine. Ca. 35 % Celsius underground, wakeup time 3.30 am,... oh god! "

Shaft SW-1 "Jan Wyżykowski" - marked on the map, with 2 small
villages around = also 2 Mindat localities: Potoczek and Kazmierzow (the second one with out-of-date spelling ).

Can you explain me how is this possible, that since 31 of March 2018 I'm repeating that they are not in Lubin mine but they are still ?? I don't need patience and being polite - I need TNT !!! Sorry - this all exceeds the ability to understand the world around me. I'm actually atheist but I was raised as catholic- Matthew 7:15
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."

- it's all I can say...

P.S. Ralph - let's talk about Bashan Quarry, it's much more interesting to me than this all above !
Jolyon & Katya Ralph April 16, 2019 09:39AM
I don't understand what you actually want. There is a lot of complaining but you don't explain what needs to be done.

> Can you explain me how is this possible, that since 31 of March 2018 I'm repeating that they are not in Lubin mine but they are still ??

Locality from photo you point to:

Sieroszowice Mine, Głogów Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, Poland

Not in the Lubin mine - I don't understand what you want.
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 16, 2019 10:53PM
Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:
> I don't understand what you actually want. There is a lot of complaining but you don't explain what needs to be done.

- so Kazimierzow i Potoczek are on the yellow field:

- but should be in the white squere. Aprox. 14km more N-W in the different mine.

Jolyon I don't expect that you will understand Polish regions and name - but person who is adding new entry should check before on the map, where is this
Łukasz Kruszewski April 16, 2019 10:58PM
No doubt Jolyon "does not understand" Polish regions and names.... He's "never" been to Poland, he "hasn't" spent 5132413421352314312245123213 hours improving mindat, he "hasn't" participated in Mindat Conference in Poland, he "is not" cooperating with some Polish folks who (co)organized this conference, he also "hasn't" posted a large post on SW Poland localities.

(I hope you get the irony, Jolyon (-;)

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2019 10:58PM by Łukasz Kruszewski.
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 16, 2019 11:01PM
Is not better to correct own mistakes instead permanently disturbing??
Ralph Bottrill April 16, 2019 11:08PM
If we have locations with wrong coordinates can somebody please supply the correct ones plus a reference, without so much rhetoric please?
Łukasz Kruszewski April 16, 2019 11:09PM
"to see the mote in one’s neighbour’s eye but not the beam in one’s own"
Łukasz Kruszewski April 16, 2019 11:13PM
Ralph Bottrill Wrote:
> If we have locations with wrong coordinates can
> somebody please supply the correct ones PLUS A REFERENCE, without so much rhetoric please?

Exactly, Ralph. Exactly.

In the meantime, I have extremely disturbed mindat and ... uploaded few new localities (references and coordinates included).
Ralph Bottrill April 16, 2019 11:14PM
I think we are all feeling a bit disturbed by all this - too many sad realities and too few beautiful words!

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/16/2019 11:18PM by Ralph Bottrill.
Łukasz Kruszewski April 16, 2019 11:16PM
That is true.
Kevin Conroy April 17, 2019 01:25AM
What are the coordinates for Kazimierzow?

What are the coordinates for Potoczek?
Kevin Conroy April 17, 2019 01:45AM
Should the spelling be "Kaźmierzów"?
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 17, 2019 07:29AM
Hello - sorry, yesterday I was very shortly here so a bit late answer.
Mine 'Polkowice - Sieroszowice'
formerly 'Sieroszowice' mine area

Potoczek - 51°34'7.62"N
16° 1'19.92"E
Kaźmierzów - 51°32'38.09"N
16° 3'35.59"E

both in the distance aprox. 1.7km from the shaft SW-1 Jan Wyżykowski : 51°33'17.88"N
16° 2'31.28"E
all coordinates from Google Earth
Kevin Conroy April 17, 2019 02:41PM
Thank you, added.
Jolyon & Katya Ralph April 17, 2019 05:32PM


This page is useless:


It doesn't have a locality type, it has no description, and the title is just Polkowice

As it stands this is a junk locality entry. Please don't add them like this.

Always add locality type

If it's a mine then its Polkowice mine, not just Polkowice

And if you know something about it put it in the description.
Jolyon & Katya Ralph April 17, 2019 05:33PM
Also it will be moved to Głogów Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, Poland
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 18, 2019 08:13AM
At the moment I don't have time for anything except the job, so only briefly - both this localities seems to be forever connected with Lubin :)
Kaźmierzów, Lubin, Lubin Co.
Potoczek, Lubin, Lubin Co.
Jolyon & Katya Ralph April 18, 2019 08:25AM
BUT WHAT IS IT? Is it a mine? a shaft? a dump?
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 18, 2019 08:49AM
You mean this two localities? Probably a results of examination of drilling core . Why it was added to Mindat? I'm not the right person to answer that question - both areas become later part of Sieroszowice mine, so in my opinion could be only mentioned in description.

Prof. Czesław Harańczyk was a well-know mineralogist from the AGH University of Science and Technology in Cracow, also co-initiator of International Association of Genesis of Ore Deposits (IAGOD). In that times with the access to everything what was new & important in the entire country. This paper is from 1972, so this is the year of the creation of Sieroszowice mine. In 2019 in my opinion, we should refere to this:


Btw - one co-operative Mindat manager and we will reorganise corectly entire Cu/Ag belt in one week, with new administrative rules etc.
Jolyon & Katya Ralph April 18, 2019 09:08AM
Ok. Unless someone comes up with an explanation as to what these two localities are I will delete them.
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 18, 2019 09:25AM
Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:
> I will delete
great decision !!!
Łukasz Kruszewski April 18, 2019 09:09PM
I will change these two localities according to Lis & Sylwestrzak data after I get backhome
Łukasz Kruszewski April 18, 2019 10:14PM
Done. Correct communes & counties now set, minor mineral adds done, locality info updated.
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 18, 2019 10:26PM
Both wrong - this boreholes belongs to the mining fields of Polkowice - Sieroszowice mine, as an integral part of the ore field.
Łukasz Kruszewski April 18, 2019 11:04PM
Irrelevant. We use administrative division in mindat, not a mining-field division.
Alfredo Petrov April 18, 2019 11:11PM
Polkowice - Sieroszowice is a mining district? Extending over parts of both Polkowice and Lubin counties?
If so, then it should added as a non-hierarchical locality.
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 18, 2019 11:15PM
If tomorrow in drill core new kimberlite will be confirm and in the next 3 years in this place diamond mine will be built - "we" add borehole as independent locality and diamond mine as a second one - congratulation !
Łukasz Kruszewski April 18, 2019 11:30PM
Irrelevant - again.

Well, may Jolyon decide. No doubt he would love to mix administrative division and mining division.
Ralph Bottrill April 18, 2019 11:39PM
Re https://www.mindat.org/loc-156040.html is listed just as Potoczek but was noted to be also called Gaiki as the multiply-drilled prospect lies between these two villages. So maybe it should be listed as a mine/prospect rather than simply a village? Maybe the Potoczek (Gaiki) prospect, under the closest village? With the other isolated borehole it could be classified under the borehole name and village and classified Mine/borehole?

Re the mining field, yes this seems to be the main cause of argument here, as we would like to classify all these mineral deposits into mineral fields but we have not created these districts as non-hierarchical areas, so maybe somebody needs to do this first?
Krzysztof Andrzejewski April 19, 2019 12:06AM
Ralph - I'm using sometimes 'mining field' as an expression regarding entire area of a specific mine, but in practice, it is a bit more complicated. Please look at the drawing in this topic:
Lubin mine with two mining fields:
- Lubin
- Malomice
similat situation in formerly Sieroszowice mine with two mining fields
- Sieroszowice
- Radwanice
A bit complicated but all possible to rearange.

Btw - real mine 'Polkowice - Sieroszowice' still doesn't exist in Mindat, available is an old version, pre - 1996
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