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Posted by Rock Currier  
Rock Currier December 02, 2009 09:34AM
Yes, all the things you say and more will be talked about in the albite introduction at the top of the article. Right now Fred and Linda are just getting their feet wet selecting the images, making the captions and formatting the images. Fred knows enough mineralogy that when the time comes to put in the text that he will be able to handle it. There will be no attempt to inter text at this time, but think you for your suggestions because they provide a sort of valuable check list of some of the things that should be addressed in the introduction.

Harjo, Bill, Mark, thanks for the images and the suggested additions. They will all provide fodder for the first draft of the albite article.

Fred & Linda. I made a few more suggestions in the body of the albite article you started. When you have read them, just go into the edit mode for that thread posting and delete them.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Fred & Linda Elsnau December 02, 2009 11:46PM
To Jessie & William,

Thank you for your comments on the Chinese Albite pictured above. At Rock's request, we are reviewing the mineral pictorial database searching for those pictures that can be used in the Best Mineral Articles. We are unable to correct or change the identification on any of these pictures.

Please PM the individual who posted this picture with your concerns so that the information can be verified or corrected as necessary. If it is determined that the picture is indeed mislabeled, please let us know so that we can remove it from this group.

Thank you,
Fred & Linda
David Dugan February 15, 2012 07:22PM


The Rutherford mine, located in Amelia Courthouse, Virginia, had extraordinary specimens of Albite (var. Cleavelandite). The specimen above, self collected in 1979, was the nicest one that I found. Size: 3 inches across, nearly 3 inches high, and about 1 1/2 inches thick. The specimen is comprised of only three main blades of Albite (as seen in the side view), with a dusting of Muscovite on one side of the specimen. It is because of the growth of the Albite crystals that fine Microlite crystals were found at this location (see below).

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Rock Currier February 15, 2012 08:07PM
Definitely worthy of being in the best minerals articles. We would need you to upload them to the mindat image gallery. If you need instructions on how to do that let me know and Ill email them to you. How big is the microlite. Have you ever considered cleaning your albite specimen to remove the red iron staining? If you need to know how to do that, let me know and Ill send you info on how to clean it.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
David Dugan February 15, 2012 08:32PM

Sorry for not being specific with regards to the microlite. It's 1 1/4 inches on an edge; a Columbite xl is protuding from one of the xl faces (not confirmed with analysis). Some matrix attached at the base (muscovite, feldspar).

As with the iron staining Rock, I'm OK with cleaning it, but I am concerned with the Muscovite dusting the one side...
I think the Muscovite gives it a bit of character.

I will need instruction on uploading photos...
I apologize that, although registered with Mindat for 5 years, I have not used this website to its full potential.

All the best,

Rock Currier February 15, 2012 08:39PM
If you use iron out/Waller solution to clean the specimen it will not remove the mica, only the red staining. Use the chemical iron out that is discussed in this article.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Tim Jokela Jr July 18, 2013 08:09PM
Mont Saint-Hilaire also produced some beautiful pale pink albite, thin tabular transparent crystals densely covering matrix to 20cm across or thereabouts. Pretty material and a most unusual color, but far more attention was paid to the (occasionally spectacularly rich) associated microminerals; bizarre tan catapleiite donuts, stellate white epididymite, and minute greenish monazite, among others.
Rock Currier July 18, 2013 08:53PM
Yes, those should be included in the article. Would you like to undertake the construction of the article?

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Stephen Fritz July 18, 2013 09:49PM
I'd be happy to help with the formatting and HTML (within the constraints of MML) photo links. This sounds like a topic for which attractive and efficient photo presentations are in order because the volume of worthy material is VERY large. See Franklin, New Jersey Essentials Part 2: Localities for an example. With the right codes, you can hyperlink to all the albite from a specific locality and other simple, but effective, queries.
Rock Currier July 19, 2013 01:13PM
If you would like to take a crack at creating the Albite article, read the introductory material

If you have a different vision that we do, discuss it with us. We are open to innovation.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Spencer Ivan Mather July 19, 2013 02:52PM
The albite crystal pictured, from Ontario, is it albite after scapolite like those from Norway, as I have some large ones of those, pluss a couple of albite crystals from the island of Langoy in Kragero that a completely transparent..

Stephen Fritz July 19, 2013 08:01PM
I'll give it a shot, but need to spend some time reviewing the format in more detail. Also, I would like collaborative input (e.g. someone else picking the images and researching appropriate reference material) and critical review while it is being written.

The overall format seems good. However, the images and text below both link to the same picture. You would get more bang for the buck if the text linked to something else on mindat, for instance a gallery of the species from a particular locality, such as this text link:

Whim Creek, Roebourne Shire, Western Australia, Australia

I am also a bit wary about copyrighted material, such as the screen shots of Google Books. You can get a reference directly from the Internet, where available, but directly linking thus:

Redden, Jack A., Geology and pegmatites of the Fourmile quadrangle, Black Hills, South Dakota
1959, USGS Trace Elements Investigations: 428

This also works for references to subscription articles that are not available for free. The unlinked text format works well for those materials not available online.
Rock Currier July 20, 2013 09:57AM
I am not sure I understand all your suggestions and concerns. I can look over what you have done, but often I will know less about what you are writing about than you do so in such cases I would feel a little funny about trying to advise you about stuff I con't know very much about. Usually the way this is handled is that if an author has a question about something they are working on they post it on the message board asking for advice or comments or they send it to someone they know who knows a lot about the subject and asks for advice and or comments. Also as you are working on the article, people will see what is being done and make comments and suggestions, many of which I have found helpful to make the article better. When ever this happens, I try and hustle them into doing their own article, like I am doing with you.

As for picking the images, I can certainly do that for you, but usually that is one of the perks that the author gets. Selecting the images allows the author to put their own face on the article at least to some degree. It is not hard to do and I can walk you through the process. Selecting the images is the easy part. The time consuming part is tweaking the code strings to make all the images be formatted in an attractive fashion. Harjo is the best at doing this I think, and I am always trying to steal ideas from him to raise the quality of my presentation in the articles. I personally try to put many good examples of a particular occurrences, usually more than the other authors, and as a consequence have to spend a lot of time trying to make the images look nice. Also all authors should keep in mind that as time passes, some images in the article will need to be deleted and replaced by others and images specimens from new localities will be added as they become available to us in the general gallery. None of the authors get bent out of shape if another moderator in the Best Minerals forum works some on their article, although it is usually considered good form to let the author know what you are doing. Albite is a quite common mineral, and in such cases we don't look to put pictures of albite specimens from every locality just because we have them in the image gallery. With "big" minerals like this, particularly something like quartz, we have to be pretty selective about the images we put in the articles. It just gets too crazy if we don't.

You can link what ever you want to selected text in any of the articles. If you have some ideas about creating links in the article, your ideas about this will be watched by other authors and they may decide to copy what you are doing in order to make their articles stronger.

All images on mindat are available for use in the article without any copyright problems because in posting them on mindat the poster agrees that they can be used on mindat without reservation. For links to sources on the net of course copyright must always be a consideration. I think that most if not all of google books are public domain and I would not expect that there would be any problem using screen shots of them if you wanted to. As far as I know, all US government publications are public domain so I don't think there would be any problem there. Other cases would have to be considered on a case by case basis. In most cases, an email to the author asking for permission to use all or part of his work on Mindat will clear up any copyright considerations. I can't think of a single case when the author was not happy to let us use their work.

I am not certain that I have covered all your concerns, but if not, just let me know here and Ill do my best to work with you on this.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Erik Vercammen August 15, 2013 09:05AM
To Rock Currier

Rock, see the post of November 29, 2009 in this thread.
Meanwhile I became a registered member, and I've already added some photos, two localities and a lot of posts. You're right ,there are only few goodspecimens of albite from Switzerland, but I've added a specimen from my collection that may be useful:
Going to add more later, first photos from my vacation in the Val d'Anniviers, Wallis, Switzerland: I've already added site photos, in the next time I'm going to take and add mineral photos. Best regards from Belgium,

Erik Vercammen

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/15/2013 09:06AM by Erik Vercammen.
Don Windeler August 16, 2013 06:22AM
Some very high quality US albite specimens were found at the Enosburg quarry in Vermont. I have no personal knowledge of this find beyond what I read in the specimen descriptions, but they're darned nice albites.

Volkmar Stingl August 16, 2013 08:20AM
Two localities in Tyrol, Austria, should also be mentioned for their excellent gemmy albites up to 5 cm size:

1. Schmirn valley, Tyrol
2. Knappenkuchl, Navis valley, Tyrol

In both occurrences the albite is found together with gemmy quartz and calcite.

At the moment I have no access to my collection, but maybe someone knows about these locations and has some pictures to provide. In a few weeks I can try to get some pictures of my and my sons finds.

Spencer Ivan Mather August 16, 2013 10:54AM
I have a large specimen of large blocky albite crystals with mica, plus a small specimen of water clear albite crystals from Langoya, Kragero, Norway..

Erik Vercammen December 16, 2013 07:57PM
For a good Swiss albite, see
Rock Currier December 16, 2013 09:12PM
Its probably worthy of inclusion, but Ill leave that to whoever finished the first edition of the article.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
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