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Improving Mindat.orgFakes and fraud
14th Nov 2017 13:27 UTCReiner Mielke Expert
14th Nov 2017 13:39 UTCJamison K. Brizendine 🌟 Expert
14th Nov 2017 14:04 UTCReiner Mielke Expert
14th Nov 2017 14:06 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
So,
If you see an auction for something that's a clear fraud, then just ignore it.
However,
If you see 100 different auctions from different sellers offering a new find of "lavender liroconite" or something then yes, it's important to mention here that there is clearly some new widespread problem. But a single seller offering a "lavender liroconite"? Just laugh and ignore it.
14th Nov 2017 14:14 UTCBob Harman
Mindat can't, and shouldn't police all the sites and dealerships. Many fakes and frauds are easily spotted, but there even might be some examples that might provoke legitimate differences of opinion. Mindat doesn't need these type controversies. It should be "buyer beware" and "educate yourself" before spending your money. That is my opinion. CHEERS......BOB
14th Nov 2017 14:33 UTCReiner Mielke Expert
14th Nov 2017 15:39 UTCRolf Luetcke Expert
14th Nov 2017 17:55 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
14th Nov 2017 17:57 UTCMatt Neuzil Expert
14th Nov 2017 18:29 UTCHolger Hartmaier 🌟
14th Nov 2017 18:39 UTCRob Woodside 🌟 Manager
14th Nov 2017 18:40 UTCReiner Mielke Expert
Never though to look under "How To" as I was not interested in how to fake a mineral or defraud someone. Would make more sense to put it under General.
14th Nov 2017 19:45 UTCHolger Hartmaier 🌟
Good point- under the general section would be more appropriate.
14th Nov 2017 19:46 UTCMatt Ciranni
14th Nov 2017 22:04 UTCReiner Mielke Expert
I guess as far as Mindat is concerned you are on your own. Buyer beware. I thought ebay had a guaranteed satifaction or your money refunded policy?
14th Nov 2017 22:30 UTCScott Rider
Reiner is correct, if a seller sold an item that was not as described then you should open a case with ebay and get your money back. You may have to shell out some cash for shipping if the seller wants it back, but whats worse, losing out on the total $150 or $5-10 for shipping...
14th Nov 2017 22:31 UTCOwen Lewis
15th Nov 2017 14:52 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
15th Nov 2017 19:56 UTCMatt Ciranni
15th Nov 2017 21:28 UTCOwen Lewis
I deal with PayPal a lot more than I do with E-bay but have never has a problem with either. AIUI, if you paid with PayPal, it is PayPal that will handle any complaint about non-delivery. Drop them a mail and see what happens? These days, and in most countries there is around 100-150 USD insurance cover built into the postal charge and there is also basic tracking on all international packets. Your supplier makes the claim, at their local post office, producing their proof of posting and your statement of non-receipt - and that's all before PayPal gets involved at all. But language problems may make that not as simple as it could be.
So, first step is to contact the supplier (which you have already done?) giving your PayPal reference for the payment and the payee name you used. If language problems make a response difficult, than you take the same information to PayPal disputes department (which can arrange to deal with your supplier in their own tongue) and get you a prompt settlement.
You may be a bit premature in bad-mouthing the supplier (give language difficulty and all). All you know is that you did not receive the item. The possibilities are as follows and will take a PayPal operating only seconds to sort out which applies:
1. You never actually made a payment through PayPal (though you may think you did).
2. You made the payment but it went to a wrong person.
3. Your supplier was sent payment but, for some reason, never dispatched the item.
4. The item was dispatched but to a wrong address.
5. The item was correctly dispatched but was lost in transit.
On the basis of your short outline there is really no reason why you should be out-of-pocket unless there has been some mistake of yours.Do contact PayPal without delay and let us know how you get on..
15th Nov 2017 22:47 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
...Which is why I like to buy minerals at shows rather than depending on mailorders.
15th Nov 2017 23:20 UTCScott Rider
One example) I had ordered about 25 specimens from a South African dealer. The tracking of the package showed delivery AND signature upon receipt. But guess what, no one signed for the package, and the driver supposedly left the package on my doorstep. Well I received NOTHING and even with delivery and signature I still got a refund from eBay, despite the dealers objections.
Basically, I just told eBay it was impossible for anyone to sign for that package at my house, as there was NO ONE home for about a week at that time (on prospecting trip). They gave me a refund. The seller, after refunding sent me an image of the delivery receipt from DHL. Guess what, NO signature on the delivery. Either the driver took the package back and it got lost upon its return or he just left it at my doorstop and a schmuck stole it... Either way, DHL was culpable and paid the seller the money.. So both my dealer and myself were satisfied.
In your case, it should be even easier because you never received a specimen nor a refund. And what makes your case even better is that the seller never communicated with you so that will tell eBay the seller is full of you know what... Basically eBay is setup to defend the buyer before the seller, and the fact they never reached back to you will tell them that seller is dubious.
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