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Why isn't my edit and/or photo listed?
Posted by Jolyon & Katya Ralph
Jolyon & Katya Ralph June 12, 2007 03:14PMWhen you add data to mindat or you upload a photo it may not be shown immediately - there are two reasons for this.
Firstly, unless you're a long term contributor with a proven track record on the site who is looking after a particular area, your contributions are approved before posting (and even if you are lucky enough to have your contributions approved automatically, they still get listed in our daily reports for reviewing afterwards). So, if you post something and go looking for it immediately on the site, it won't be there. Note that we sometimes have a backlog of approvals - we get around 100 photos per day post so don't be too surprised if they are not approved immediately.
Secondly, even if your items have been approved they may not show up because we use a caching system to reduce the workload for the server. Generating a complex locality list page can be an intensive process, so we keep a cached copy of the output and use that when someone else asks for the locality again, so even if your item has been added to the database, if we still have an older copy of the locality page in the cache then you won't see your change immediately. We're trying to improve things so caches are updated automatically when pages are edited, but in some cases things won't be right until the page gets cleaned out and replaced. If it takes more than a couple of days then contact me and I'll check it out for you.
Thirdly, you may find your photo is listed in your personal gallery but not in the mineral/locality pages - not all photos submitted are accepted for the mineral and locality pages - this depends on the quality of the photo and the number of similar photos we already have for that mineral at that region.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/18/2008 06:04PM by Jolyon Ralph.
Christian Bracke October 26, 2007 08:00AMDear friends,
I know it takes time and of course this is okay for me. I appreciate your work!
But now I wonder if I made a mistake, because pics I uploaded from Saturday 20th on are still not mentioned when I surch for locality, e.g. Gridone ( I loaded a zircon photo, but if selected after location there is no pic).
And after spending a few weeks in the Zermatt - Saas Fee area I restructured the localities again and uploaded a couple of mineral pics e.g. the Täsch Valley. Same problem, when selecting Täsch Valley there is no sign that there are mineral photos.
Same with locality Churfirsten.
My mistake, or it takes just more time at your side?
Thanks, yours Christian
António Manuel Ináçio Martins November 06, 2007 11:47AMOlÃ¡ Jolyon :-)
I made my Home page and I noticed that in Edit in Top Image are the last 50 photos that I carried. Has one for Default....(Olivine), but I did want it was to choose one of my Gallery of my pleasure and I don't get :-(. It is possible to do some thing in that sense ?
Thank you for the attention.
David Von Bargen November 06, 2007 01:40PMFrom instructions on edit page for your homepage:
"Select the photo you want shown at the top of your page. Note we only allow you to select from the 50 photos in your collection with the highest rating - so go and update your images with your personal rating to make sure you can select them here."
You have to go to edit the photo that you want to use and raise it's value as a favorite of yours.
Giovanni Golinelli February 26, 2008 03:21PMRecently I have uploaded four photos of minerals but no one is present in the gallery of localities like so in the mineral's one, but only in my page.
I know that it could happen but photo nÂ°148356 is several time that has been uploaded, but is present only in my gallery. Is it a problem of the photo's quality?
Giovanni Golinelli February 26, 2008 04:26PMThe localities are:
- FittÃ , Soave, Verona Province,Veneto,Italy
- Santa Lucia Mine,Fluminimaggiore, Carbonia-Iglesias Province, Sardinia, Italy
- Fonte del Prete,San Piero in Campo, Campo nell'Elba, Elba Island, Livorno Province, Tuscany, Italy
Jesse Crawford September 02, 2008 11:32PMSeveral weeks ago I uploaded a photo of what appears to be a graphite pseudomorph after diamond. It's in my photo list, but has never appeared in the photo listing for graphite. I've assumed that this is because there must be some question as to whether it's even possible to have such a pseudomorph. The photo shows both diamond and graphite with both clearly exhibiting the same form. My question is, am I correct that there's an issue here, or has it just fallen through the cracks so to speak? I'd be interested in any thoughts relating to this specimen.
Uwe Kolitsch September 03, 2008 04:53PM"... appears to be a graphite pseudomorph after diamond."
If it wasn't analysed I'm sure one of us has sent a message questioning the ID. (Did you check hardness or is the sample too small? Is the locality known for such pseudomorphs?)
Please re-upload and we'll have a look again.
Jesse Crawford September 04, 2008 12:25AMIt cuts quartz very easily. It is very small so I didn't want to do too much messing with it. I don't think the system will let me upload the photo again because it's already in my collection of photos. I may have missed it, but I didn't see any response from the editorial board. It was part of several dozen photos that I uploaded on the same day, so I may have overlooked an email. It's the only graphite photo in my mindat photo collection. I'll edit the photo and upload it again (so it won't trigger the duplicate photo error trap) if that would be more convenient.
Jesse Crawford September 04, 2008 12:30AMWell, uh... I guess there's no reason I can't upload it here. Duh!
Here's the photo. The width of field is 0.25 mm taken with a Bausch and Lomb Microscope using differential interference optics.
open | download - GRAPHITE ps DIAMOND on DIAMOND 0,24mm SOUTH AFRICA 650 DIC-3 RESCALED.jpg (50.8 KB)
Kelly Nash September 04, 2008 04:04PMI can see how this (graphite ps. diamond) would be a tough call, as indeed many pseudomorphs would be. I didn't think graphite after diamond was very likely, but from googling around I see some technical papers suggesting that it is indeed at least possible (I didn't see any from South Africa, though). And it sounded like the jury was still out on whether the specimens examined were really psedomorphs after diamonds (on some specimens the graphite appeared to be a thin coating on diamond crystals). I'm not making a judgement myself on this specimen. I'm not qualified to do so anyway. I have a very interesting specimen, that I've wanted to upload, that was labeled as opal ps.after quartz. It's a sharp one-inch quartz crystal (from Brazil) that appears to have been completely opalized or replaced by opal. I will post a picture sometime. But some folks I've shown it to say it's just a hydrated quartz crystal. Opal is not a true mineral, so I guess it's probably not really a pseudomorph anyway. Come to think of it, wouldn't graphite after diamond actually be a polymorph?
David Von Bargen September 04, 2008 04:21PMThe minerals graphite and diamond are polymorphs (same chemistry, different crystallography). Pseodomorphs refer mainly to the process of replacing one mineral by another. They are commonly have different chemistries, but when one has polymorph minerals, if the conditions are proper, you can get pseudomorphs. The reaction rate for the diamond to graphite transformation is slow at low temperatures, but can occur at higher temperatures. One of the reasons that you can find diamonds at the surface is because their host rocks cooled at (geologically) very fast rates. When this cooling is much slower (as you get where rocks are exposed by erosion rather than in eruptive forces), you will stay long enough at temperatures where the diamond to graphite transition can occur.
Jesse Crawford September 04, 2008 10:47PMWell, here's the thing, the photo was taken using differential interference contrast optics, and the colors are not representative of the actual colors of the specimen. Differential Interference contrast is a false color technique. The graphite in the center is black as black can be. Would it help if I also include a photo using conventional microscopy for comparison?The hardness is right and it's isometric as evidenced by the fact that between crossed polarizers it remains dark for 360 degrees of rotation, so I'm pretty confident that it's diamond with a graphite inclusion. As to how such an inclusion might come to be, I'll leave that to people better educated in the science. I just thought it was an interesting picture and that others might think so too.
Jesse Crawford September 05, 2008 01:23AMThis is embarrassing. Pseudomorph, polymorph, would you believe optical illusion? Closer examination shows that the graphite is much deeper within the crystal than the surface features, causing the graphite to appear to take on the form of the diamond. Puzzle solved. Oh well, it's probably not the last time I'll make a fool of myself. Sorry about that.
Jesse Crawford September 05, 2008 06:24AMI have another question for this thread. Photo number 172755 is also one I uploaded as one of several dozen in one day. It's in my personal collection but doesn't show up as one of the fiedlerite photos. I haven't received a notification of any problem. Is there a question about it?
Uwe Kolitsch September 06, 2008 09:42PMNo worries, Jesse - you said nothing at all that would offend anyone.
In fact, I would be glad if everyone would give such detailed description and explanations for photos that had complaints.
Lots of photos of other users are user-only photos.
Paul De Bondt October 10, 2008 01:54PMHi,
I noticed something strange.
I loaded a few months ago a specimen of Kasolite from Shinkolobwe : http://www.mindat.org/photo-147242.html.
I find it back in my gallery, the Shinkolobwe gallery but when I look under Katanga, the site brings me to the list of all the places in Katanga. When I choose to view all the photo's ( 1485 or something ), it does not appear.
Could you check this please.
Thank you in advance.
Take care and best regards.
Uwe Kolitsch October 10, 2008 06:26PMA program bug?
"We have only shown a small selection of photos on this page to make this page easier to browse.
Click here to see all photos of Kasolite from Musonoi Mine, Kolwezi, Western area, Katanga Copper Crescent, Katanga, Democratic Republic of Congo ."
Usually, if you would click on this text, you would see your photo (among others). However, I also can't find it.
Richard Felicioni March 13, 2009 05:00PMI posted Photo ID: 216172 (Parent), Photo ID: 216173 (Child), Photo ID: 216174 (child), Photo ID: 216175 (Child) and the photos do not show up in Apophyllite (KF) photo section. I did not see anything like it posted already and I try hard not to just post pictures of my collection, but to add photos of minerals that are different then what others have posted already. My goal is to try and share back with the mindat community for all the wonderful information and photos I have used as a learning tool to expand my knowledge of minerals.
Also when you select the parent photo in my home page Photo ID: 216173 (Child) does not appear (the other two do), but it does show up if I go to the edit this photo section of the parent.
Please let me know if I posted something incorrectly and thank you for the great site.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2009 05:46PM by Richard Felicioni.
Thomas Uhlig April 01, 2009 09:36AMPaul De Bondt Wrote:
> I noticed something strange.
> I loaded a few months ago a specimen of Kasolite
> from Shinkolobwe :
> I find it back in my gallery, the Shinkolobwe
> gallery but when I look under Katanga, the site
> brings me to the list of all the places in
> Katanga. When I choose to view all the photo's (
> 1485 or something ), it does not appear.
> Could you check this please.
> Thank you in advance.
> Take care and best regards.
This phenomenon (or feature?) seems to be a general one. E.g. if I look after fluorite pictures in the photo gallery of the Freiberg district . There will be a lot of photos from specimens from the "Beihilfe Mine" (a sublocality). After the last shown picture the well-known text "We have only shown a small selection of photos on this page to make this page easier to browse. Click here to see all photos of Fluorite from Beihilfe Mine, Halsbrücke, Freiberg District, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany." appears. This link leads only to pictures from this sublocality. In the main picture table, the next picture of the next mineral is listed, not the next picture of fluorite from a different sublocality, e.g. from Gersdorf .
This means, I am not able, to see all fluorite photos from freiberg district in the Freiberg district picture table, even if I click to see the additional photos. Am I right?
Could there be a way, to include in the link for additional photos all other sublocalities, e.g. this way:
"We have only shown a small selection of photos on this page to make this page easier to browse. Click here to see all photos of Fluorite from Freiberg District, Erzgebirge, Saxony, Germany." ?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2009 08:01AM by Thomas Uhlig.
Richard Felicioni April 02, 2009 02:03PMRichard Felicioni Wrote:
> I posted Photo ID: 216172 (Parent), Photo ID:
> 216173 (Child), Photo ID: 216174 (child), Photo
> ID: 216175 (Child) and the photos do not show up
> in Apophyllite (KF) photo section. I did not see
> anything like it posted already and I try hard not
> to just post pictures of my collection, but to add
> photos of minerals that are different then what
> others have posted already. My goal is to try and
> share back with the mindat community for all the
> wonderful information and photos I have used as a
> learning tool to expand my knowledge of minerals.
> Also when you select the parent photo in my home
> page Photo ID: 216173 (Child) does not appear (the
> other two do), but it does show up if I go to the
> edit this photo section of the parent.
> Please let me know if I posted something
> incorrectly and thank you for the great site.
It's been a couple of weeks and I have not received a reply. I have also tried to PM Jolyon Ralph but have not received an answer. I would appreciate some type of reply, thank you.
Jolyon & Katya Ralph April 02, 2009 02:13PMRichard,
I don't generally reply to issues where photos have been approved for user gallery only (as this one has), as there are too many and we really don't have time to explain every decision. Also people get upset when we criticise, but in your case:
a) The photo is of a common mineral, we have many similar photos.
b) The photo is not sharp and a little grainy - I think the quality of your camera is the problem here, are you using a video camera or a very old digital camera?
c) The locality is very general and doesn't give an accurate source for the mineral.
None of these things are problems for photos in your user gallery, but these together make it impossible for us to select this to show up on the Apophylite-(KF) page.
Richard Felicioni April 04, 2009 02:44AMI apologize. I misunderstood the use of this thread. I do appreciate you taking the time to answer my question and I respect your input.
b) I am using an older 2.1mp camera and I didn't realize the photo's were grainy.
c) I actually purchased this specimen from a company in India and the only location description I got was the Deccan Plateau, Maharashtra, India.
I am a novice and I will not even pretend to know all or most of what makes a mineral specimen unique or interesting. Thanks again for letting me know and thank you for this great site and outstanding resource.
Kind Regards, Richard
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/04/2009 02:50AM by Richard Felicioni.
Fred A. Schuster January 05, 2010 05:39AMJolyon
I am frustrated. I have an article I wanted to publish about Westerly Granites RI USA, but when I paste it on the new article page, submit an message says I am not connected to the website. I tried to submit the article jsut to see how the photos were laid out in the page. in the past I remember I was able to do this. ans resubmit, but alas. I cant get the article to go. THen on my home page the article are listed according to the headings and can't be opened. Is this because the articel is being reviewed?
Then I tried connecting to Chat for some help. But I couldn't. The page said I may need java so I down loaded it. Still couldn't connect.
is it that I am using WIFI and that I need a better connection? I have been down loading new localities and photos though.
If my article is not up to reveiw I would like to know too.
Hey, to change the subject
Happy New Year and happy trails of collecting. Health and Peace.
David Von Bargen January 05, 2010 11:42AMDon't use the forward slash in the title. It messes things up.
You get logged out if there is more than about 25 minutes with no activity. It is a good idea to check in another tab to make sure you are still logged in.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/05/2010 12:37PM by David Von Bargen.
Scott Sadlocha April 01, 2010 10:44PMI hope I am listing this in the right spot, and that I am not supposed to start a new thread. Anyways, I uploaded some photos to my personal page a few days back, and they seem to have been approved. Two of my photos were of the same specimen, one of the entire piece, and one a close-up. When uploading the close-up, I chose the "Add another photo of this specimen" option, and uploaded it. However, when viewing my pictures, I don't see the close-up. There is the stacked photo icon in the heading of the original picture in my gallery, but when I go into the picture and fullscreen it, I don't seem the thumbnail of other views below. Is there something else I am supposed to do to get this working? If so, let me know. I looked through the info in this page and didn't see anything that fits. If I missed it, I apologize.
The photo link is http://www.mindat.org/photo-295029.html
Jake Harper May 04, 2010 03:20AMJolyon,
Approx. three weeks ago I uploaded the NEW locality:
Calaveras River Canyon, Valley Springs area, Calaveras Co., California, USA.
Shortly after I uploaded two photos to the locality:
Both of the photos are on my homepage, but neither are added yet to the locality.
Should I try and re-upload?
Thanks in advance, Jake
Ced Van Hove June 06, 2010 12:39PMHello !
Excuse me if my English is bad.
I upload aphoto of stellerite from Felskinn - Wallis - Zwitserland and i add "stellerite" in "mineral list" but we can't see it.
I would like to know why ?
It's the first time that we can see this mineral from this area. Nobody speak about it.
It's a pity that it is hidden. If you consider that my image is bad then don't show it. But indicated the name of this mineral in the list would be a good thing.
Thank you in advance,
Uwe Kolitsch June 06, 2010 03:30PMHi Cédric,
you had uploaded a photo with stellerite from this locality - I had sent an email inquiry via Mindat, asking if this stellerite is analysed. Unless this is clarified we can't approve stellerite for the mineral list.
Approval takes some time anyway (see top of this thread and the manual - http://manual.mindat.org/).
Dan Fountain August 04, 2010 11:25AMLast week I added autunite to the minerals list from the Outback quarry in Maine (http://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?loc=211817). Later I added a photo of the autunite crystals to that locality. The photo shows up on the locality page, but the mineral doesn't. Is it just a matter of refreshing the cache, or is there another problem? Thanks!
Dan Fountain August 04, 2010 01:25PMThanks. I'll request the (admittedly crummy) picture be removed from the locality page, and I'll post it on the ID Help forum. I thought the crystal shape, color, LW & SW fluorescence, and radioactivity (which very arguably might be from some other mineral in the specimen) would be sufficient.
Van King August 05, 2010 12:34PMThe identification of the autunite seems accurate for this locality. No survey of the chemistry of the species has been made for Maine and probably there would be surprises, but in lieu of the scattered chemical analyses of US pegmatite autunites, the ID seems to have a very high probability. The identification of any mineral has an error bar associated with it, even when instrumental analyses are used. I'll see if I can get a graduate student interested. :)
Best Wishes, Van King
Jason Evans August 29, 2010 12:03AMPlease can you correct the image of Grandidierite, the one used as the main photo, I have changed the photo to one which i beleive is better, when you click on the origianl image it brings up the new photo but i would like the original photo changed to show the new one.
I dont mind if it is not used as the main pic anymore, although it is nice that it is, but i would prefer it to be a photo that i took.
Reiner Mielke September 09, 2010 04:57PMHere is the problem. Photos of rocks go under the "Other" category which excludes them from going to the locality page. That makes no sense and needs to be changed, you need a rock category that one can upload photos of rocks found at a particular locality to that locality. I would like to post my four photos of paragneiss ( Photo ID331428,25,21&10) from Hincks Bridge, Quebec to that locality. The photos are all of the same specimen so three should be as daughter photos.
Jolyon & Katya Ralph September 09, 2010 05:16PMOnce we build in proper support for rocks and rocks photos in mindat this will be possible. But, for now, it's not, so photos need to remain in the "other" category, otherwise we'll end up with a lot of work that needs to be changed once the rock database side of things is running.
Charles Calkins October 06, 2010 05:27PMGreetings
Over the last few weeks, I've uploaded a number of location photos, and while some have appeared in the corresponding location pages (Buick mine, Pea Ridge mine), the majority do not appear on their respective pages (Lester Park, Missouri Mines, Herkimer Diamond Mine, etc.). Early in the thread, it is mentioned that photos not appearing are due to either technical reasons such as the page cache not being refreshed, or to policy ones, where a photo is not selected for inclusion. Is there a way to tell, for a given photo, the reason that it does not appear? If it is for content, could you describe the criteria that are used to determine whether a location photo is used? In the future when I take location photos, that would help so I would know what would become "official" vs. which would remain in my gallery only.
Thanks very much,
Jolyon & Katya Ralph October 06, 2010 05:38PMYes simple way.
Look at the locality page, right at the very bottom it says "Current server time:" and that figure is the date the page was last generated. If it's before your photos were uploaded, then it's just the page has not yet been updated to show your additions.
Charles Calkins October 06, 2010 05:47PMAh - thanks. Unfortunately, doing a spot check of Missouri Mines and Columbia Quarry pics shows that the images show just a date, but the "server time" entry of their corresponding locality pages shows both the date and time. In the case of these, the day of the last locality refresh is the same day as the images were uploaded. I presume that the images must have been uploaded minutes after the locality page was refreshed, but there doesn't seem to be a way to tell for sure.
Charles Calkins October 06, 2010 05:58PMTo follow up to my own question... I just realized that if I edit a locality, and save it again without making any changes, then the cache is refreshed and the location images appear. I'll try that with the other localities and see what happens.
Charles Calkins October 06, 2010 06:28PMOne more follow-up... Re-saving the 10 locales that didn't show my photos caused all of the locale pages to update, but one locale remains where my location photos do not appear: Falling Springs Quarry (http://www.mindat.org/loc-220793.html). The server date and time shows that the page was refreshed, and looking at my images shows that they are indeed locale images associated with that locale, but the location page still does not show my images (it doesn't show any images at all). Just in case there was something not quite right behind the scenes, I wanted to mention it.
Thanks again for your help,
David Bruno December 12, 2010 08:06AMHello,
This one is a bit complex ... I uploaded three photos of the same specimen showing different views, the specimen is a Petalite with Phenakite on Microcline from the Palelni Mine , Mogok, now, one photo shows up in my account in my list of photos,
if I click the link to other photos of the same specimen it says there are none, if I try to upload the photo I have showing the whole specimen it tells me the photo is already in the database and when I click the link it is there,
in the Mindat gallery of Petalite from Palelni it shows the third photo which is a close up of another part of the specimen and like the previous pictures is not linked to the others,
as you can tell by the sequential(ish) numbers I uploaded them at pretty much the same time,
well Im confused anyway,
any suggestions ideas what might be the problem?
David K. Joyce February 06, 2011 12:23AMHi All,
I have decided to photograph all of the key mineral specimens in my collection and load them onto/into mindat.org. I looked up uranophane from Madawaska Mine and noted that my specimens were not there, so I attempted to upload an image of one of my specimens. I got a pop-up that noted that this was a "duplicate". I checked and sure enough, it is in my "Home Page" but it does not show up if I search for uranophane. Can this be corrected? Have I done something incorrectly? This uranophane was put on mindat.org quite a long time ago, I think.
David K. Joyce
ps, I somehow posted this message on a different topic (newer topic). Please ignore it and/or remove it from there?
David Von Bargen February 06, 2011 01:45PMActually it is there. The mineral and location galleries just show 10 photos of a mineral/locality combination. To view all the photos, you need to get to the photo gallery for the locality/mineral pair. The photos are ordered by "best" voting by managers, users and how often they are viewed.
Fred A. Schuster February 07, 2011 04:46AMI was trying to write and article about a locality. I wanted to include around 10 photos in the article. So I was down loading them by logging in, going to my page, photos, then editing, and downloading to minerals, locations or other so as to get the photos into my blog. ( I have to added photos to the database in context to the story, like the local villages or even local fauna to keep continuity in the article) Then when I write the blog or article I use the HTLM tag to place the photo in the blog using the photo id number.
1) is this the proper procedure to write a blog or am i doing something wrong?
2) after downloading 4 photos I get a message in red saying that the photo is too large or not a JPEG. Well the photos are and are the same size.
So am I doing something wrong?
I really like to share a lot of trips if I can
So after reading It seems the problem might be that you have to edit the info coming in. I can understand that takes time. But is that what is happening when I get the message in red that the photo is too large or not jpeg? I'll be patient but just want to know if I am understanding the process
George Eric Stanley Curtis June 02, 2011 10:51AMJolyon,
Two points, but I am not moaning. Mindat is a wonderful site.
1) Could there be some system of feedback to 'track' progress of uploaded photos that are a long time getting approved? A long wait makes me feel that something has gone wrong, or the photo has been rejected without anyone telling me.
I understand the delay, but not knowing what is happening after a week is very frustrating. At what point do I accept that something is wrong?
2) I have a couple of child photos uploaded which have just vanished, never seen again. The parent photo gets the little 'multi-pic' icon, but the child is not on the display. This is misleading for viewers.
One of the Child pics that vanished caused a false 'One other photo' note to appear on my home page photo count, and the multi-pic icon to appear on the photo, but the actual mineral child photo did not appear anywhere. This is also frustrating. Do I need to re-upload or what?
These problems appear on my latest metazeuneraite upload, still awaiting approval, and http://www.mindat.org/photo-333998.html.
I assumed you would like to know about these little bugs, I am not bitching.
United Kingdom, Cornwall
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