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Mineral ExchangesMuseu Jobas in Brazil - a warning for potential traders

10th Aug 2008 00:48 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Please be aware that the "Museu Jobas" in Brazil is a privately-owned collection and not a true museum as it is made out to be.

The "Curator" of this museum, Paulo Matioli, has been trying to arrange exchanges with many individuals worldwide for this museum collection. He claims that it is "Museum Policy" to never send specimens first in any exchange. Of course, as it is his collection and his museum, the policy is simply what he says it is, and it appears he likes to work this way because many people have claimed he has never sent anything in return for the exchanges.

Mindat.org STRONGLY reccommends NOT EXCHANGING minerals with the Paulo Matioli (AKA "Museu Jobas" ) - should you wish to do so please insist on receiving his exchange material first.

I do not like writing announcements like this on mindat, there are very few bad apples in the mineral exchange world, and I hope this will help to make mineral exchanging safer for everyone.

Jolyon

10th Aug 2008 02:00 UTCPaulo Matioli

Jolyon,

Who do you think is to be speaking this way about me or even the museum where I work and that throw the first stone who never wrong and be judging any people is very ugly and just God only to judge everyone.

For your information the Jobas Museum exist more than 7 years and I have all documents and evidence that the museum exists with a very good job with the community and with schools contributing to the teaching of natural sciences, but I am not and must not be giving any details about the museum or my person to anyone who I don’t know, ok.

You Jolyon in your Mindat site already spoken very badly from my very good friend the serious minerals dealer Gunnar Faeber that make a lot minerals exchange with me for a many years and a very long time and Gunnar have already met and visited the museum sometimes, as well as other minerals collectors friends from Brazil and worldwide.

As I said before I am already solving all my old exchange commitments that I know that I failed, most now come to talk about me or even be investigating or speculating about my life or even put a warning about the museum or my person is really absurd.

Let us stop all this history here that is the best for everyone.

Paulo.

10th Aug 2008 02:34 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Your museum is simply a private collection. You are the owner and curator. So, when you tell people they must send to you in an exchange first because "it is museum policy", you are being totally dishonest.

I have personal experience of this, you said this to me when you tried to get me to send you rare British minerals. Luckily I did not.

You cannot expect your appalling behavior to collectors over the years to remain unnoticed and uncriticised. Because of this it is our duty to warn everyone in the mineral world about you.

Jolyon

5th May 2009 21:17 UTCAdrián Pesudo

He everybody,

I have edited this message because Paulo Matioli has contact with me, after my very hard words. Perhaps all has been an unlucky confusion between both and we try to find a solution about his shipment for me. I´ll comunicate all this to the forum (if really is impossible to send any mineral from his Brasilian State, Sao Paulo) and, of course, I´ll apologyze if that´s true.

Adrián Pesudo

3rd Jul 2009 17:40 UTCAdrián Pesudo

Finally, I have recived a packet with some nice and rare brasilian specimens from Paulo Matioli. I can to confirm that since three years ago the Sao Paulo State´s laws dont permit to sent any mineral specimen out of Brasil. That sounds very rare but is the truth, and Dr Daniele Atencio said me the same that Matioli.

Paulo has been last june in Minas Gerais and he has sent from there some of the packets without problems. Thanks for all, and I am sorry for my doubtes about you, Paulo.

I hope in a few time he can to sent all his old obligations with other collectors.

From Spain,

Adrián Pesudo.

19th Sep 2009 09:02 UTCMatteo Chinellato Expert

In this days I have received problems from the person Paulo

Matioli, he have order to me at 1200 euro of meteorites

promise a friend here in Italy pay me first, I have to give

the meteorites to this friend and after this give the

meteorites to Matioli. I have say ok, I have give a discount

on the price and a meteorite free over. I have contact this

friend, seen I know, but he have say immediatly he are not

interested in this type of transictions. After this Matioli

have start to change the order, passing from 1200 euro order

to a 720 euro order and claiming a discount of at 250 euro

and a R chondrite of 100 euro in gift. Sure....after have

say I never give similar discounts, only if the order is

very high, he have change again idea changing again the

order...when I have lost totaly the patience and I have say

if you want this is the price or goodbye, I have close the

order with the excuse the tax for the bank transiction is to

much high to Italy - 10 euro - and why the friend here in

Italy not give a hand to this affair.

A my advise, if this person contact you, forget it its only

time lost

19th Sep 2009 15:10 UTCRicardo Pimentel Expert

I’m still waiting since 2005! :S

20th Sep 2009 21:05 UTCBill Lechner Expert

There should be one rule with Paulo: he must send first, money or minerals. No ifs ands or buts.

Bill

17th Nov 2009 23:43 UTCRicardo Pimentel Expert

Hello all,

I received on last Friday one parcel, with Brazilian phosphates, from Paulo Matioli. This is the end of this episode.

Greetings,

Ricardo

18th Nov 2009 05:42 UTCMatteo Chinellato Expert

I have ask the same to Matioli to show me if is a real serious person and ask to end the order after many times he have change this, but he not have sent any other email to me, just one for say its me I am not a serious person........ In conclusion for me is not a serious person.

18th Nov 2009 07:38 UTCRossano Carlini

I waiting the pieces from this dishonest person since 2006...i can confirm that mr. Matioli is not a serious person.

18th Nov 2009 07:49 UTCSimone Citon Expert

Rossano Carlini, sono Simone Citon...

14th Oct 2011 07:29 UTCEdinho Nagao

Gentlemen, Paul Matioli very careful. It uses the museum as the purpose of obtaining minerals and fossils for private collection. And more. There are several witnesses in several loca proving that Brazil's Paulo Matioli is a thief. It uses the museum for minerals and fossils for private collection. Paul Matioli is a thief without any credibility. Seek serious museums in Sao Paulo, Brazil and all will see that Paul is Matioli thief.

16th Apr 2012 17:47 UTCCarlos Keiser

BEWARE!

Museu Jobas is now called Museu Joias da Natureza ('Nature's Jewels Museum'). I'm wondering why the museum's name has changed.

However, the museum has not an internet site yet.

Paulo M. seems to be a compulsive, pathological collector.

17th Apr 2012 06:30 UTCCarlos Keiser

Fellows,

I'm sorry, I forgot to post the link to an youtube video on Matioli's museum.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpcnn-DmF4

17th Apr 2012 09:24 UTCChris Mavris Manager

The name "Nature's Jewels Museum" doesn't sound at all like a Natural History Museum. It sounds exactly like a guy I know (won't mention his name here, but he is well known among local collectors) who claims to have a museum, but in fact this is just a private basement with a couple showcases and a few printed labels on the way to his place.

I never had the chance to exchange with Mr. Matioli, but his approach and the structure of the 'museum' look exactly like the other case I personally know...

20th Aug 2018 18:18 UTCBen Dísraeli

I have to say the same of Rossano Carlini,i bought to him a sulphur from Sicily thru his first minerals web,this was the year 1997,i paid it thru money transfer,he never sent me the Sulphur,i´ve sent many e mails asking him to refund me the money without results and without answer.

Ben

21st Aug 2018 02:54 UTCDon Windeler

So, given that this thread just got a bump, does anyone have comments or experiences on Mr. Paolo Matioli in the last few years? I haven't been thoroughly hosed by many people in the mineral world, but I'm happy to make sure the appropriate individuals show up in search results. (And fi someone learned not to screw others, good to know as well -- even if I would keep that in mind with every interaction.)

Cheers,

D.

21st Aug 2018 09:09 UTCMatt King

So, you have been chasing someone for 21 years? Methinks its time to accept the fact that you won't get your money or specimen and move on. Life is too short to get hung up on crap like that.

21st Aug 2018 12:49 UTCA. M.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

21st Aug 2018 14:00 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager

Matt, you are right to move on.

But it's good to have such kind of topics to avoid others to get caught by such individuals.

21st Aug 2018 17:27 UTCAdrián Pesudo

Hello Don, although partially "Mr". Paolo Matioli sent us part of the promised material, he never finished fulfilling his promises; I also recognize that part of the material I sent him, I have seen auctioned by other merchants on some website; It is evident that this "gentleman" clearly trades with what has been received for his economic benefit.

21st Aug 2018 21:12 UTCKnut Eldjarn 🌟 Manager

I believe Paolo Matioli managed to assemble a collection with many rare minerals and nice specimens - according to the discussion here not with the most honest methods. I think he sold the collection 3 years ago to Rob Lavinsky who has offered many specimens from him. I did see a large suite of his specimens offered at the 2016 Tucson show. There were labels from many museums and collectors so he must have been quite active. Prices were in part ridiculous. I also think he showed his business talent also by selling the collection at a price which it has been hard for the dealer to regain.

22nd Aug 2018 07:13 UTCDon Windeler

In re-reading my post after Adrian's comments, I should state that I've never had any interactions with Matioli. There are a few other collectors with whom I have had bad experiences, however, so I'm simply raking the muck on an old thread to check whether behavior changed or things just went quiet until the dust settled. My deep personal wishes for chaos and misfortune go out to those individuals in this hobby who seek to cheat others.

Knut, interesting note of the collection being sold and popping up -- I knew the name sounded familiar and that might explain it.

Cheers,

D.

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