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Pyromorphite, Germany

Posted by Roger Lang  
Roger Lang February 10, 2010 12:12PM
Hi all,
Holger, nice picture of the Giesen pyro, greatly welcome. I have only a minimum of time to proceed with the article at the moment ... yesterday i took a lot photos of pyromorphites from different hesse and rhineland-palatinate localities from the collection of Michael Ochel so there will be some nice input i hope and i will add to the database subsequently. I will probably have more time end of next week and then add the rhineland-palatinate texts i have so far. Sebastian, please send me a PM when you are ready with the Schauinsland description,

take care,
Roger Lang March 12, 2010 07:27PM
Hi folks,
just added some pictures to the article, still not much time at the moment but if you have something ready to post please do, i will add it .

Michael Berghäuser March 14, 2010 06:00PM

we have an interesting conversation about pyros from Rosenberg mine in Braubach, Germany on,24112.msg191587/topicseen.html#new and I would like to know if here on mindat collectors haven pyro´s from this mine proofed by label(s) from the old Rosenberg mine closed in 1928.

So, please post some pictures of the specimens with label from the old Rosenberg mine before 1928.

What are the differences between the old Rosenberg mine and the new Rosenberg mine specimens from mining field (Betriebspunkt/-feld) Königstieler Stollen?

@ Roger: Any ideas? Any available ressources ...?



Glückauf and Greetings
Roger Lang March 21, 2010 11:22AM
Hi Michael, all,
i´ll try to check some of the mine actae and records if there are reports on specific ore finds etc.
The "old" Rosenberg mine and the Königstiel adit were connected underground so i wouldn´t look them upon as "separate" mines although the last workings were on the Königstiel veins in the north instead of Victor and Segen Gottes veins (as far as i remember now without reading the books B)- ). I will report back if i have found the time to read it.

Sebastian, what about the Schauinsland text? I´ll add more pictures of Rhineland-Palatinate subsequently and then write the descriptions when i have spare time to do ..

Chris Mavris March 21, 2010 12:58PM
Hi folks,
I can have a look if I can make a picture to my Bad Ems pyro, it's a specimen from the late 70s, might be of interest?

Roger Lang March 21, 2010 01:18PM
you´re welcome!
Holger Klapproth March 25, 2010 07:49PM
Hi Roger,

back from my vacation now. As we are getting ready for our easter excursion we were performing some REM-EDX scans of mineral specimens from our last trips. I added some black forest stuff to that as I read there is also pyromorphite at Grube Michael, Weiler, Lahr. And what a neat surprise - the first EDX showed a big "P" peak on a supposed "mimetite". The needly stuff proved to be mimetite, but some of the prismatic stuff is definitely pyro (with arsenic content). As these are nice crystals I will make some photos of the tested specimen and post it in the next day.

Schauinsland is still covered in snow. Hope it will be better easter as I hold a lecture about the ancient mining district next months and need the photos.

Best Regards


P.S. will have a "Schauinland" exhibition at the mineral fair in Freiburg in autumn. There should be some good pyros there....
Peter Haas April 01, 2010 09:32PM
I have strong doubts about the provenance of Rob Lavinsky's bubbly pale green pyromorphite. The only mine in the Black Forest which produced specimens of this colour and habit was Herrensegen Mine (although I've never seen a specimen of THAT quality).

I pointed this out to Rob more than a year ago, and he agreed to change the locality and move the photo to Herrensegen Mine:

The new photo appears to be of the same specimen.
Rock Currier April 02, 2010 10:29AM
We should probably change the locality. Thanks

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Holger Klapproth April 18, 2010 08:38PM
Hi Roger,

finally found some time to photograph more pyros. This time I added a really good specimen from Clara Mine (, a nice green Badenweiler pyro ( ) and one from St. Wilhelm ( ). I also added one pyromorphite (As-rich) from Michael Mine, Weiler ( Now almost all my good Black Forest pyros are online.

Best Regards

Harjo Neutkens June 01, 2010 02:19PM
Hi guys,

If you need it....I just uploaded two photos of Emilie II mine (Hexentisch) pyros:

Pyromorphite FOV0,6cm
Pyromorphite FOV 0,8cm

And a couple from Friedrichssegen:

Pyromorphite 4cm
Pyromorphite FOV0,8cm



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2010 02:22PM by Harjo Neutkens.
Roger Lang June 01, 2010 03:52PM
Hi Harjo,
thanks, as soon as i have time again to get back on the article i will check if i change some of the pictures ...
At the moment almost no spare time.

Harjo Neutkens June 01, 2010 09:21PM
Relax Roger, wir haben Zeit ;)
I wouldn't change any Friedrichssegen photos though, I think the photos and specimens from you, Michael, Manfred and Rob are just wonderful!
Roger Lang June 01, 2010 09:38PM
but the hexentisch pics are great! .. so i am REALLY tempted ... but for the next weeks not much time for hobby stuff .. i have some projects in the deadline :-(

I will work on thearticle asap again,
P.S. : Ste Marie???
Harjo Neutkens June 01, 2010 10:18PM
Thanks, did you also have a look at the funny epimorph from Hexentisch that I posted today?
I think I won't make it to Ste Marie this year, have a beer on me with the others, OK.
Harjo Neutkens June 01, 2010 10:43PM
btw..... you can add to the Jeanette that the owner (Pächter) has put up signs "Schürfen verboten" recently, threatening with legal acts if not obeyed....
Jack Crowley July 07, 2010 09:57PM
Hi; Do you still need photos of Mechernich pyromorphite? I have a dozen pieces from there I could photo. Jack Crowley
Roger Lang July 07, 2010 10:11PM
Hi Jack,
please do! you´re welcome. Although i haven´t much time at the moment i will proceed asap in autumn i think...
Rock Currier July 08, 2010 08:46AM
Jack, I know that if you think they are good enough to be included here they almost certainly will be. Upload them to mindat and then let us know here when that has been done.

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
Rock Currier August 07, 2010 09:29AM
Some possibilities from the Ralph's general Pyromorphite article. Am putting them here so they won't get lost.

Germany (Sebastien Moller)

Lower Saxony
Harz Mts.
Clausthal-Zellerfeld mining district

Erzgebirge Mts.
Heilige Dreifaltigkeit Mine, Zschopau (most probably the type locality, rarely galena ps. after pyromorphite occurs, too).
Beihilfe Mine, Halsbrücke, Freiberg Mining District

Erzgebirge Mts.
"Unverhofft Glueck an der Achte"

Granulit Mts.
nickel mine Callenberg North 1 (together with Crocoite)

Bad Ems Mining District
Merkur Mine
Braubach (Rosenberg Mine)
Pfingstsegen Mine
Friedrichssegen Mine

From this classic locality the most and the best German Pyromorphites came. Usually the xls are olive green or pale brown and prismatic, often barrel-shaped (so-called Emser Tönnchen).

Hunsrück Mts.
Kautenbach Mine, Bernkastel

From here Blue Lead Ore (Blaubleierz), which is galena after pyromorphite. But the other case (p. ps. after g.) occurs, too.

Taunus Mts.
Jeanette Mine, Kransberg

Tanzfleck, Freihung, Upper Palatinate

North-Rhine Westphalia
Eifel Mts.
Mechernich (Breitenbenden and Maubach Mine)
Bergisches Land
Rohdenhaus Quarry, Wülfrath

Black Forest
Kinzig Valley
Erzengel Gabriel Mine, Einbach Valley, Hausach
old lead mine, mined for fluorite in the 1950'ies. Greyish green pyromorphite xls up to 1 cm on flesh-coloured baryte xls

Clara Mine, Rankach Valley, Oberwolfach
Very famous for its rare and unique minerals (up to 400 valid species found there). On quartz pseudomorphs after Baryte with galena lenses, yellow groups of Pyromorphite xls up to about 1 cm can be found as well as beautiful needles and barrel shaped ones. Those are often pyromorphites (with P>As) as opposed by the labels of many collectors who label the yellow ones mimetite. Green, colourless (usually on Baryte, often with Segnitite/Beudantite) or even brown ones can be found, but those are usually micros.

Friedrich Christian and Herrensegen Mines, Wildschapbach Valley, Schapbach
old, abandoned mining district close by and very similiar to the Clara Mine. There quartz pseudomorphs after Baryte occur, too. Pyromorphite forms Pseudomorphs after cm-sized galena cubes and nice needle-shaped xls (usually grass-green). Whereas those old-time findings are almost all from Friedrich-Christian Mine, new findings with greyish green botryoidal aggregates on quartz come from Herrensegen Mine (I will upload a photo of my piece the next days).

Middle Black Forest
Giesen Valley, Reichenbach, Lahr
very old mines (12th century), old small-scale mines and dumps. On baryte, limonite (botryoidal) and/or triassic Sandstone very good prismatic grass-green to greyish green prismatic or cigar shaped xls

Schauinsland Mining District
Gespreng Vein
Willnau Vein
Fahrnacker vein I and II
Barbara Vein

I will post some pictures and descripions. The best and best known locality in that area.

Southern Black Forest
Gottesehre Mine, Urberg and Steinenbächle (Neue Hoffnung Mine), St. Blasien

Vereinigung mine, Eisenbach
Emilie II mine, Altweilnau

Gute Hoffnung mine, Bleibuir
Grünbleiberg mine, Niedergelpe

Annenberg, Monzelfeld

Rock Currier
Crystals not pistols.
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