LIVE REPORT! Hayward’s Heath Mineral Show 2017 - last updated 2 hours ago. Click here to watch.
Donate now to keep mindat.org alive!Help mindat.org|Log In|Register|
Home PageMindat NewsThe Mindat ManualHistory of MindatCopyright StatusManagement TeamContact UsAdvertise on Mindat
Donate to MindatSponsor a PageSponsored PagesTop Available PagesMindat AdvertisersAdvertise on Mindat
The most common minerals on earthMineral PhotographyThe Elements and their Minerals
Minerals by PropertiesMinerals by ChemistryAdvanced Locality SearchRandom MineralSearch by minIDLocalities Near MeSearch ArticlesSearch GlossaryMore Search Options
Search For:
Mineral Name:
Locality Name:
Keyword(s):
 
The Mindat ManualAdd a New PhotoRate PhotosLocality Edit ReportCoordinate Completion ReportAdd Glossary Item
StatisticsThe ElementsMember ListBooks & MagazinesMineral MuseumsMineral Shows & EventsThe Mindat DirectoryDevice Settings
Photo SearchPhoto GalleriesNew Photos TodayNew Photos YesterdayMembers' Photo GalleriesPast Photo of the Day Gallery
bannerbannerbannerbannerbannerbanner
avatar
Reiner Mielke August 10, 2017 06:46PM
Does anyone know how many species are found in the Bancroft area? The list is incomplete. Is there some way of automatically adding the minerals from all the localities in the area to the area list?
avatar
David Von Bargen August 10, 2017 06:54PM
Create a non hierarchial locality for bancroft area.
avatar
Andrew Debnam August 10, 2017 06:57PM
Reiner several sources I have seen quote the figure as over 1600 species. None of them have a reference as where that number came from.

here is an example

https://uwaterloo.ca/earth-sciences-museum/resources/mining-canada/bancroft-history-circa-1900-gold-fever



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2017 06:59PM by Andrew Debnam.
avatar
David Von Bargen August 10, 2017 07:05PM
The entire country of Canada only has 1667 species and 80 unnamed minerals
http://www.mineralogicalassociation.ca/doc/catcanmin.pdf
avatar
Andrew Debnam August 10, 2017 07:11PM
so are you questioning the number David? It is referenced by several entities including the town itself. It could well be an "urban" myth :)
Although I would not be shocked if was well over 100 due to the very complex geology of the grenville province.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/10/2017 09:49PM by Andrew Debnam.
avatar
David Von Bargen August 10, 2017 07:13PM
Yes, the number is probably lower. They might be counting varieties.
avatar
Reiner Mielke August 10, 2017 08:57PM
The article says 1600 different mineral specimens not species. "since over 1,600 different mineral specimens have been collected within a 50-mile radius of the village." If whoever wrote that doesn't know the difference then I doubt they know what they are talking about.
avatar
Reiner Mielke August 10, 2017 09:04PM
Hastings County has only 182 species listed and that covers an area much larger than the Bancroft area, so 1600 is ridiculous.
avatar
Andrew Debnam August 10, 2017 09:06PM
agreed, a dubious number. It is quoted on many sites-the number 1600, It must have been published on some Gov. tourist document and is now used everywhere. I googled it and it even appears on some real-estate agent web pages.

It even appears on the Gemboree web page........as species

http://www.bancroftontario.com/rockhound-gemboree/
avatar
Reiner Mielke August 10, 2017 09:37PM
" Create a non hierarchial locality for bancroft area." Trouble is if you say Bancroft area is everything within 100km that would cover parts of various townships and counties and there is no way of creating a hierarchy that would include only parts of these. I am tired of this Mineral Capital of Canada nonsense it is just plain false. It is only the mineral capital in the sense that more collectors come to the Bancroft collecting than any other area in Canada so it is the mineral collecting Capital in that sense. I am would argue that Mount Saint Hilaire area (100km radius) has more species than the Bancroft area by far. Also Madoc and Marmora are not part of the Bancroft area so saying 50miles is also ridiculous. I would say 50km is more reasonable.
avatar
Kelly Nash August 10, 2017 10:17PM
"It is especially favoured by rockhounds who have made Bancroft and its “Gemboree” world famous since over 1,600 different mineral specimens have been collected within a 50-mile radius of the village. " Maybe "collected" includes the Gemboree and the various rock shops within 50 miles.

(On edit, OK "specimens", not "species". but, why?)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/11/2017 01:44AM by Kelly Nash.
avatar
Alfredo Petrov August 11, 2017 12:26AM
1600 specimens is way too small by a couple orders of magnitude! I've probably collected 1600 there all by myself ;))
Or is that perhaps the number of specimens in the holdings of the Bancroft museum?
avatar
David Von Bargen August 11, 2017 09:00AM
"there is no way of creating a hierarchy that would include only parts of these" - that is why you do a nonhierarchial location (defined by a map including the area that you want.)
avatar
Reiner Mielke August 11, 2017 10:07AM
Hello David,

But that would mean having to enter all the species again. However until a reasonabe definition for Bancroft area is established that would have to wait. In my opinion a 50 mile radius is not reasonable. I know Goderham (28mi) has some issues with being included in the Bancroft area and I am sure Marmora (40mi), Madoc(43mi), Minden (46mi) and Haliburton (33mi) would as well. I think this is a case of Bancroft trying to make itself bigger (and more important) than it is.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/11/2017 10:10AM by Reiner Mielke.
avatar
David Von Bargen August 11, 2017 10:18AM
"But that would mean having to enter all the species again. " - no it does not. For nonhierarchial locations, the locality includes all those localities within the map boundaries (it does mean that the program needs to be able to determine those localities within the boundaries - either by the lat/long within the area or the estimated lat/long is within the boundary)
avatar
Reiner Mielke August 11, 2017 10:37AM
Hello David,

I didn't know that. Can this be done simply by specifying a radius? That would be a very useful function.
avatar
David Von Bargen August 11, 2017 10:56AM
No, you have to draw a map now.
http://geojson.io/#map=10/45.0216/-77.8683
Click on pentagon to draw a boundary.
Save as a geojson file to your computer.
copy data (you will probably have to unzip file) to the geospatial field in Bancroft area locality edit
Also click non-hierarchial check box in same area.
https://www.mindat.org/loc-224159.html




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/11/2017 10:57AM by David Von Bargen.
avatar
John Collins August 11, 2017 12:06PM
Speaking of local importance, how many towns in the Bancroft "area" claim to be the Geocaching Capital of the World? I know of at least two - Wilberforce and 'Bancroft.
avatar
László Horváth August 11, 2017 07:58PM
The 1600 species is total nonsense. The whole country as David says has about 1650 species. My guess is less than 400 depending on how you define the area.

There are no species-rich localities in the area. Most localities have less than 20 species, which are repeated over and over.

Andrew,
Please read your so called reference:

" It is especially favoured by rockhounds who have made Bancroft and its “Gemboree” world famous since over 1,600 different mineral specimens have been collected within a 50-mile radius of the village."

They are talking about 1600 specimens not species. Whatever that means.
avatar
Jolyon & Katya Ralph August 11, 2017 08:12PM
I think 1600 was a misprint for 160

I've put in a basic circle (ish) for the region. It may need editing, that can be done if you are willing to do it.

https://www.mindat.org/loc-224159.html
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login



bannerbannerbannerbannerbannerbanner
Mineral and/or Locality  
Mindat.org is an outreach project of the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization.
Copyright © mindat.org and the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy 1993-2017, except where stated. Mindat.org relies on the contributions of thousands of members and supporters.
Privacy Policy - Terms & Conditions - Contact Us Current server date and time: November 18, 2017 19:22:48
Go to top of page