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move & merge locality or sublocality

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Krzysztof Andrzejewski May 13, 2019 09:00AM
I have a simple question - being a Mindat user with basic access, can I move & merge the existing localities and sublocalities?
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Łukasz Kruszewski May 13, 2019 10:00AM
No, you can't. Only users with higher access levels may do that. All the changes made need references which explain these changes.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2019 10:02AM by Łukasz Kruszewski.
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Krzysztof Andrzejewski May 13, 2019 10:39AM
They are 34 persons on the Mindat Menagement Team list - and according to the info provided there

"If you have a problem or wish to discuss something in more detail, click on the management member's name and you can contact them via their contact form."

- before I start to send priivate messages (who know how long I will be able ?!) , could be very usefull to have the answer. Because I do have problem...
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Łukasz Kruszewski May 13, 2019 03:53PM
I can't answer your question because I am not in the management.
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Alfredo Petrov May 13, 2019 04:38PM
"...can I move & merge the existing localities and sublocalities?"

If two localities are really the same place, you must edit the names and hierarchy so that they are both exactly the same. After those edits have been approved, you can ask a manager to "remove the duplicates" and they will get merged. If you can give us a specific example, we can demonstrate here.
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Krzysztof Andrzejewski May 13, 2019 11:50PM
Alfredo Petrov Wrote:
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> . If you can give us a specific example, we can demonstrate here.
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Alfredo - first at all, many thanks for your reaction. I really appreciate ! As an example, :
coal mine in Wałbrzych City Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, SW Poland:
mine "Julia"
https://www.mindat.org/loc-295424.html
mine "Thorez"
https://www.mindat.org/loc-195532.html
and this is a bit of history:
The oldest confirmed coal mining in this area is known from the second half of the XVI century - year 1561. From the 23 of May 1770 so called 'Consolidated Fuchs -mine" operated but when the coal-carrying layers close to the surface has ended, in 1865 first deep-coal mine was build - shaft "Julius". And this is the moment from which the beginning of the "Juius" (later "Julia") coal mine begins. 80 years later, as a result of the World War II, Silesia become part of Poland. The name "Juius" was changed to "Julia" on the 13 of August 1945 but a few months later, in January 1946 changed again to "Bialy Kamien" coal mine. On the 22 of May 1950 (retroactively from May 1, 1950) was changed to "Thorez", in honor of Maurice Thorez, leader of the French Communist Party. The name "Thorez" was in use until 1993 when the mine was again called "Julia", until the mine was finally shut down in 1998.
So the entire history (summary):
- 1561 until 1770: many small independent mines close to the surface
- 1770 - 1865: "Fuchs" (Fox) mine
(from 1865 : deep-coal shaft "Julius" until 1945)
- 1945 - 1946: "Julia" mine
- 1946 - 1950: "Bialy Kamien" mine
- 1950 - 1993: "Thorez" mine
- 1993 - 1998: "Julia" mine
How to chose proper name?
Fuchs /Julius /Julia /Bialy Kamien/ Thorez mine ??? One is for sure - we are talking about the same place on planet Earth -
regards
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David Von Bargen May 15, 2019 01:37PM
How to chose proper name?

From the manual - https://www.mindat.org/a/localityhierarchies

If a locality is known by more than one name, an alternate name should be added to the locality rather than creating a separate locality. This can include localities that have changed names due to changes in ownership or consolidation of mining companies, as well as localities that have a formal name and a popular local name. The primary name should be the current name if the mine quarry is active, and the final name used for inactive localities unless it is better known by a historical name (ex. Chimney Rock Quarry, New Jersey; Nelly James Mine, Arizona). Alternate names should be placed in parentheses following the primary name with semi-colons between multiple alternate names. - see below for formatting guidelines.
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Krzysztof Andrzejewski May 15, 2019 10:38PM
I would like to go more forward, but I'm still waiting for the visibility of the new localities in City of Walbrzych. The list "Localities in this Region" is still as before. I added correct positions on the map - but 'green meadow' instead of 'turmaline field'...

a new entries:
- rhyolite quarry Podgórze, Wałbrzych City Co.
- Niedźwiadki Hills, Wałbrzych City Co.
are not visible at all...
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Kevin Conroy May 16, 2019 02:20AM
Have you cleared the cache?
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Krzysztof Andrzejewski May 16, 2019 07:06AM
Kevin Conroy Wrote:
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> Have you cleared the cache?
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- I'm not too sure what you mean?
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Kevin Conroy May 16, 2019 01:15PM
I've noticed that after an edit is made, for it to become active/seen the cache needs to be cleared. This can be done immediately after an edit is made by clicking the locality cache clear button at the top of the page:



The cache can also be cleared for any locality by clicking on the "edit" button, then the "clear cache" button:



I've got into the habit of doing this after every edit, as it works very well.
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Debbie Woolf May 16, 2019 01:38PM
Cache clearing is only available to level 2 users. I've now cleared it and updates are showing, thank you.
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Kevin Conroy May 16, 2019 02:35PM
Thanks Debbie. I hadn't considered that everyone doesn't have access to this.
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Krzysztof Andrzejewski May 16, 2019 10:52PM
I'm too tired today to be constructive - next step if I good understood, is to prepare one from this two localities and supply with proper description - name according to rules - and all other necessary details, So I will be back in this topic when this all will be ready. Thanks for today !
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Krzysztof Andrzejewski May 18, 2019 11:47PM
David Von Bargen Wrote:
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> If a locality is known by more than one name, an alternate name should be added to the locality rather than creating a separate locality. This can include localities that have changed names due to changes in ownership or consolidation of mining companies, as well as localities that have a formal name and a popular local name. The primary name should be the current name if the mine quarry is active, and the final name used for inactive localities unless it is better known by a historical name
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Today I changed the name and added description (still not finish, but is more than complicated).

Alfredo Petrov Wrote:
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> If you can give us a specific example, we can demonstrate here.
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So now please make this link disappeared

Thorez mine, Wałbrzych City Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, Poland
https://www.mindat.org/loc-195532.html

but all minerals and sublocality mentioned for 'Thorez' mine move into this one:

Julia mine (Fuchs; Julius; Biały Kamień; Thorez), Wałbrzych City Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, Poland
https://www.mindat.org/loc-295424.html

regards
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