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GeneralStrange Broken Site problems!

1st Feb 2006 03:18 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

A quick announcement - I'm in the process of doing a site update at the moment, during this many things may look a bit broken - please be patient!

Jolyon

1st Feb 2006 22:23 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

I'm aware of most of the obvious problems - such as the links to replied messages on the front page not working - I have fixed quite a few problems on my laptop copy and waiting for opportunity to upload the fixed files - possibly tonight.

Jolyon

1st Feb 2006 23:19 UTCGordon Derry

Just out of interest Jolyon,

How big is Mindat right now?

If I were to (hypothetically) download the whole site, forum included, how much space would it take up.

I'm guessing it would be deceptively/relatively small considering all the data and pictures uploaded and entered since it's going online.

Just wondering, as usual!

KOR

GOR

1st Feb 2006 23:24 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Interesting question.

When I download it to my laptop, the total size is about 8Gb.

However, if you tried to download it yourself, it would try to download every one of 200,000+ pages individually, and would take up possibly 10x that amount.

And you'd be spotted and banned long before you got even a small way through that :)

Jolyon

2nd Feb 2006 00:25 UTCGordon Derry

I never actually intended to download Mindat, just curious as to the size!

But you are right to mention it, I know others have tried in the past and suffered the consequences!

8GB huh? I wonder what it'll be in 6 months time!

KOR

GOR

2nd Feb 2006 01:41 UTCj.ferraiolo

Joylon,

My usual login is not being accepted. Part of the broken site problem?

2nd Feb 2006 07:46 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Possibly - but I haven't noticed any login problems here - has anyone else had a problem?

I've updated some files tonight - will try to do some more over the next few days (good news is that I have broadband access here in Tucson).

Jolyon

2nd Feb 2006 12:50 UTCj.ferraiolo

Actually, my login seems to be accepted, but the usual things, like filling in my name and email on a post; notations of 'new' posts, etc., do not appear.

And when I try a post my my login, I get this message:

"The name you entered is already registered by another user. If you are that user, please login. Otherwise, please use another name." hence my alternate 'nom de post'

Jim

2nd Feb 2006 14:24 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Have you recently updated either your password or email address?

2nd Feb 2006 15:55 UTCAlan

Jolyon

I can log in, insomuch as the top bar says I'm logged in; but when I come to the board none of the new posts are marked "New" in red - and I can't use my name and email address in posts or I get the "Someone already has that name..." message.

I have not recently changed anything in my profile.

Also, there is no "My Control Center" button - I get the messages laid out "flat" and can't change it to the way I like it (whatever that's called... :~} )

Alan

2nd Feb 2006 18:49 UTCj.ferraiolo

David,

No changes were made. Alan's additional comments also match my problem.

Jim

2nd Feb 2006 19:27 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Could you try logging out and then logging in again. If you can't get logged in to the message board could you email me a copy of the mindat cookie on your computer (it should be in the Documents and Settings folder on the C drive under your name - it will be www.mindat.org - please use the latest one if there are multiple cookies there) davidvb worldnet.att.net

The behaviour is such that the messageboard side doesn't seem to see your login.

2nd Feb 2006 19:48 UTCmatt

if you are trying to login to post a message and are also posting your email address i think you need to make sure the name is exactly that which you typed in your profile...

I have matt neuzil in my profile so it isnt accepting matthew as far as i know, i could be wrong :)

2nd Feb 2006 20:23 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

You are supposed to be automatically logged on to the message board when you log onto the site. You aren't able to change your posting name if you are logged on to mindat and if you aren't logged in, you can't use a name that is already in the database (this is so you can't be impersonated). The main mindat login uses your email address.

2nd Feb 2006 21:12 UTCKarl V

I am also having the same problem. It started about a week and a half ago and I know that I have not made any changes to my profile or login. I have tried logging out then back in but this does not change the problem. I started right when the beginning of the mindat updates started. As Alan stated there is no "My Control Center" button on the board anywhere when i am logged in so I think I is a problem at tthe mindat end. This seems to be supported by the fact that several of u are experianceing the same problem all of the sudden.

Karl

P.S. When I first tried to post this message I received this message: "The email address you entered is listed with a currently registered user. If you are that user, please login. Otherwise, please use another email address." As I have not to my knowlage changed any of my information this would also support the possibility that it is a problem at the mindat end. I have used one of my less used emails to get it to post.

2nd Feb 2006 21:39 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Karl,

In the mindat cookie (www.mindat.org), do you have the following information:

mindat cookie is in the folder (on windows systems) - C: Documents and Settings - "Your Name" - Cookies

The string:

phorum_session_v5

and a few characters later the string?

bb292011558e2d6fbfe73c4f1a46b9fa

3rd Feb 2006 07:06 UTCmarco b

I'm having the same problems too.

I have tried logging in then out, but even if using 3 different browsers, all was without success.. also posting this message was possible only using a differenced name and secondary e-mail

It is a week or a little more thayt I cannot see also the 4th thread of maintenance area

marco barsanti

geoman1@tin.it

3rd Feb 2006 09:10 UTCKarl V.

I did not find that cookie in the folder I only have 1 mindat cookie on my system right now.

I will email it to you so you will know which it is.

Karl

3rd Feb 2006 14:20 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

There is a problem with generating all the lines that need to be in the cookie. Working on it.

3rd Feb 2006 16:32 UTCP.Michael Hutchins

Do you think this is why when I tried to register, it told me: ?

-----------------------

Log In Failure

Your username and/or password have not been recognised.

You should have received a confirmation of your username and password by email shortly after you registered, please refer to this if necessary and try to log in again.

---------------------

I'd like to contribute some images..

(as I said in an email to you Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:59:41 -0800 (PST))

Thanks,

-- M.

5th Feb 2006 18:19 UTCP.Michael Hutchins 2

( After reading through the posts on this topic..

( (what a concept! ;-)

(

( I deleted all my (3) mindat cookies, & then was able to register.

OTOH, when I tried to post this, thereafeter, I got this:

The name you entered is already registered by another user. If you are that user, please login. Otherwise, please use another name.

...

changed my name, & got this:

The email address you entered is listed with a currently registered user. If you are that user, please login. Otherwise, please use another email address.

5th Feb 2006 21:05 UTCD. Merson

I did not have a problem with the above problem until today. Now all is as described by other in above posts. I am using a phoney e-mail address to try a post this as I am logged on.

Doug

6th Feb 2006 11:58 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

I have no problems so far, but my browser (Mozilla 1.7) has me automatically logged in whenever I go to the mindat site.

6th Feb 2006 12:13 UTCmarco b

Even if using mozilla, or here at work (win) or at home (mac) i still have same problems...

marco barsanti

6th Feb 2006 13:11 UTCPeter Haas

I'm experiencing the same problems since today. Everything still worked when I did log off Friday afternoon.

Interestingly, I'm still having my full access to the database - only the messageboard seems to be affected.

Peter

6th Feb 2006 17:25 UTCPeter Haas

I have been thinking about this problem. Since the Messageboard is a Phorum application, whereas Mindat is not, I suppose that there is an interfacing program running to handle the exchange of user data between the two modules. Ideally, the Messageboard would recognize an individual user when he's logged in by requesting his data from the main module, which are then provided to it by the interface. Obviously, Mindat (i.e. the main module) itself still properly handles my individual account, since there are no access restrictions. Also, when I add data to a locality file, my name is correctly included in the changes log (I did just test it). It must have read the cookie, which, therefore, should not be a part of our problem.

Normally, the Messageboard is, say, "coupled" to the database. That is, when I am logged in and go to the board, my data are forwarded to its program module for it knows who is accessing it. From what happens now, it seems that this link is decoupled. When I enter the board, it does not recognize me as the user I am. However, it still knows that I am logged in to Mindat. Otherwise, it would not display a message that the name I entered is already registered by another user, etc. This is another reason why it can't be the cookie. It also means, that the messageboard is still provided with user data when it requests them from the main module.

One logical reason for this to happen after the system has already worked for quite some time (I'm inferring that it does not happen randomly, because this is very unlikely) is, that there is some user-specific data that can be accessed and altered through the messageboard, and that is either lost (due to a programming error) or saved in a message-board related file (away from the user profile and account information). There would be a discrepancy then between the user data provided by the main module and the board's own data, in fact causing the board not to recognize the user.

My favourite suspect is the "Private Messages" page: last Friday, when things worked the last time for me, I did something I'd never did before: I opened the "Private Messages" page. I still remember it, because of my disappointment to see it was empty. Of course, this might be just an unrelated coincidence, but ...

6th Feb 2006 18:32 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Actually, it is a problem with the cookie. The mindat cookie stores information about your user name, password (if you have it enabled), some information for a program that is used for site statistics, and also data for the phorum software to let it know that you are logged in. The data for the phorum software is not now getting written to the cookie (this is due to a problem either in the main mindat login program or in the custom interface that we have to the phorum software to keep things in sync). We kept the initial default setting for the phorum cookie expiration date of one month from the date you logged in. Some of these are now starting to become invalid and the newer login program is not properly working.

When you get private messages, there will be a message on the messageboard page stating that you have new messages.

7th Feb 2006 07:23 UTCMarco Barsanti Manager

Now it seems to work all ok again

8th Feb 2006 05:38 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Is it all working correctly now?

Jolyon

8th Feb 2006 09:39 UTCKarl Volkman Expert

its working for me now. man did I miss a lot of posts

8th Feb 2006 10:25 UTCBill Gordon

It's certainly working faster today.

8th Feb 2006 14:27 UTCPeter Haas

It also works for me again.

9th Feb 2006 01:36 UTCDouglas Merson 🌟 Expert

Appears to be working fine now.

9th Feb 2006 23:21 UTCGordon Derry

Dunno yet, let me see!

9th Feb 2006 23:22 UTCGordon Derry

Yup, it's working!

KOR

GOR

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