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Generalbeautiful words & theories vs. sad reality

14th Apr 2019 20:56 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:


> please feel free to start a new one to discuss (politely!) any points raised


I'm asking myself for how long it last before I will again face the same 'nice troubles' and will start 'embarrassing' everybody around... Anyway to explain WHY this two now closed topics was/are for me important - because... I was so stupid that after nearly 20 years, in one beautiful summer day, after swimming a while - I went for a short walk (in flip-flops) to check a series of strange looking rocks on the end of the nice Sardinian bay. Really, the last thing that I needed in my life was to start spend money on minerals and books. Checking sometimes what's new on Mindat compare to starting to participate in - they are two different things. From the distance is much more visible, what's missing and what's not as it should be. So after a year - first what I started was dividing gabbro-diabase rocks in the area of my favorite coal mine in Nowa Ruda/Poland, because I could not believe what is happened there. A year is gone so I thought after the first step is done, much more could be achieved because of the very simple reason - a first sign of the light on the end of the tunnel: a possibility of reactivate mining industry. I'm not a big fan of coal as a energy source, but if the Australian mining company ahve a different point of view - why not? Of course in the different scale as before and without a huge negative impact on the environment. Am I naive? Maybe yes maybe not, we will see...

Anyway - first and very big problem is location of old mining fields, in entire Polish part of Intra-Sudetic Basin (Depresion) more than maybe 30 (in an optimistic variant) coexisted and mixed areas. Lots of data from the boreholes with a minimum chance to find accurate coordinates of them. But minimum is not zero... As a bonus in troubles - nearly every post mining coal dump in the last stage of mining, was totally covered with the black and later self-burning s..t, that change everything in the dump completely. For someone like me, who remember how it was looking before coal-containing rocks was thrown on 'heaps' - truly drama...

I though I will win some informations, if we maybe correct not properly done localities within Cu/Ag belt of mines in Lower Silesia. Simple shape,. simple geology, new simple rules - a new strategy - and after a while I achieved big NOTHING ! Permanently arguing about everything - in the name of personal or emotional problems??? Sorry, a big joke !

I will not spend one single minute of my life on searching old minerals specimens between the peoples that I know, who still have them - only to have pure satisfaction to show them on Mindat, if this all will be in the future as it is now.

The only one nice thing - old German specimens of alumohydrocalcite from the old collections, now in USA, slowly arriving into the photo-gallery. I hope to see one more time a baryte crystals - so rare but also typically for the locality, with UNBELIEVABLE amount of crystal faces, a truly treasure for every micromount & thumbnails collector. I was lucky (and also incredible stupid) that I have found one (2cm only) - and later turned it to powder for diffraction research - one of this many thing in my life that I can only describe with the question 'why?' - without any reasonable answer...

Conclusion? I propose personal reflections... or as usually, everything is great, the choice is simple !


14th Apr 2019 23:57 BSTPavel Kartashov Manager

A lot of words, but their sence is hidden deep inside of this pile.

No one is forcing you to do anything beyond your capabilities. Personally, I feel comfortable sharing with people photos of samples from my collection and information about the deposits of which I really have information. I am happy to spend minutes of my life for taking pictures and writing captions to these pictures.

15th Apr 2019 08:11 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Everybody is different - maybe my Polish soul with German brain is causing problems? "Ordnung muss sein" my Friend - we are talking about Silesia!

15th Apr 2019 18:57 BSTDoug Daniels

As long as we are all civil in our responses.... all is okee-dokee here. Let's not be like a certain prominent political figure in a certain country. We can all learn even from disagreements.

15th Apr 2019 23:05 BSTRalph Bottrill Manager


We certainly understand and appreciate your passion for geology and minerals, and your wish to share this with us all. We also understand your pain at sacrificing nice crystals for analysis, and of trying to make changes in Mindat: even Jolyon gets frustrated with so much to do with such a huge database, trying to please everyone with too few people willing to do the hard work. We don’t always understand what you want, maybe some translation issues, and I haven’t read all your posts as I’m a long way from Poland, but it seems you want to restructure things by mineral fields? That can happen if we define non-hierarchical regions, which takes time and knowledge. Meanwhile the best we can do is to ensure we list all the important mineral sites, using our standard administrative divisions, ensuring coordinates, mineral list and descriptions are as complete and accurate as can be. We can sort out appropriate hierarchies and districts later, as good tools are being developed now.

16th Apr 2019 00:24 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Ralph Bottrill Wrote:


> Krzysztof ... it seems you want to restructure things by mineral fields?


I saw few times your really great effort to change tense situations in the right direction and I appreciate this more than you can imagine. No - I wanted to learn myself how to deal with areas of mining fields that are crossing administrative borders according to the new rules. But here - before you reach any point in discussion, you can lost all energy in the totaly paranoic argue about so simply things, that words can't describe it !

with description:

"During the Mindat Conference in July 2011 we also visited this very intersting mine. Ca. 35 % Celsius underground, wakeup time 3.30 am,... oh god! "

Shaft SW-1 "Jan Wyżykowski" - marked on the map, with 2 small

villages around = also 2 Mindat localities: Potoczek and Kazmierzow (the second one with out-of-date spelling ).

Can you explain me how is this possible, that since 31 of March 2018 I'm repeating that they are not in Lubin mine but they are still ?? I don't need patience and being polite - I need TNT !!! Sorry - this all exceeds the ability to understand the world around me. I'm actually atheist but I was raised as catholic- Matthew 7:15

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits."

- it's all I can say...

P.S. Ralph - let's talk about Bashan Quarry, it's much more interesting to me than this all above !

16th Apr 2019 09:39 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

I don't understand what you actually want. There is a lot of complaining but you don't explain what needs to be done.

> Can you explain me how is this possible, that since 31 of March 2018 I'm repeating that they are not in Lubin mine but they are still ??

Locality from photo you point to:

Sieroszowice Mine, Głogów Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, Poland

Not in the Lubin mine - I don't understand what you want.

16th Apr 2019 22:53 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:


> I don't understand what you actually want. There is a lot of complaining but you don't explain what needs to be done.



- so Kazimierzow i Potoczek are on the yellow field:

- but should be in the white squere. Aprox. 14km more N-W in the different mine.

Jolyon I don't expect that you will understand Polish regions and name - but person who is adding new entry should check before on the map, where is this


16th Apr 2019 22:58 BSTŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

No doubt Jolyon "does not understand" Polish regions and names.... He's "never" been to Poland, he "hasn't" spent 5132413421352314312245123213 hours improving mindat, he "hasn't" participated in Mindat Conference in Poland, he "is not" cooperating with some Polish folks who (co)organized this conference, he also "hasn't" posted a large post on SW Poland localities.

(I hope you get the irony, Jolyon (-;)

16th Apr 2019 23:01 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Is not better to correct own mistakes instead permanently disturbing??

16th Apr 2019 23:08 BSTRalph Bottrill Manager

If we have locations with wrong coordinates can somebody please supply the correct ones plus a reference, without so much rhetoric please?

16th Apr 2019 23:09 BSTŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

"to see the mote in one’s neighbour’s eye but not the beam in one’s own"

16th Apr 2019 23:13 BSTŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

Ralph Bottrill Wrote:


> If we have locations with wrong coordinates can

> somebody please supply the correct ones PLUS A REFERENCE, without so much rhetoric please?

Exactly, Ralph. Exactly.

In the meantime, I have extremely disturbed mindat and ... uploaded few new localities (references and coordinates included).

16th Apr 2019 23:14 BSTRalph Bottrill Manager

I think we are all feeling a bit disturbed by all this - too many sad realities and too few beautiful words!

16th Apr 2019 23:16 BSTŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

That is true.

17th Apr 2019 01:25 BSTKevin Conroy Expert

What are the coordinates for Kazimierzow?

What are the coordinates for Potoczek?

17th Apr 2019 01:45 BSTKevin Conroy Expert

Should the spelling be "Kaźmierzów"?

17th Apr 2019 07:29 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Hello - sorry, yesterday I was very shortly here so a bit late answer.

Mine 'Polkowice - Sieroszowice'

formerly 'Sieroszowice' mine area

Potoczek - 51°34'7.62"N

16° 1'19.92"E

Kaźmierzów - 51°32'38.09"N

16° 3'35.59"E

both in the distance aprox. 1.7km from the shaft SW-1 Jan Wyżykowski : 51°33'17.88"N

16° 2'31.28"E

all coordinates from Google Earth


17th Apr 2019 14:41 BSTKevin Conroy Expert

Thank you, added.

17th Apr 2019 17:32 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder



This page is useless:

It doesn't have a locality type, it has no description, and the title is just Polkowice

As it stands this is a junk locality entry. Please don't add them like this.

Always add locality type

If it's a mine then its Polkowice mine, not just Polkowice

And if you know something about it put it in the description.

17th Apr 2019 17:33 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

Also it will be moved to Głogów Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, Poland

18th Apr 2019 08:13 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

At the moment I don't have time for anything except the job, so only briefly - both this localities seems to be forever connected with Lubin :)

Kaźmierzów, Lubin, Lubin Co.

Potoczek, Lubin, Lubin Co.

18th Apr 2019 08:25 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

BUT WHAT IS IT? Is it a mine? a shaft? a dump?

18th Apr 2019 08:49 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

You mean this two localities? Probably a results of examination of drilling core . Why it was added to Mindat? I'm not the right person to answer that question - both areas become later part of Sieroszowice mine, so in my opinion could be only mentioned in description.

Prof. Czesław Harańczyk was a well-know mineralogist from the AGH University of Science and Technology in Cracow, also co-initiator of International Association of Genesis of Ore Deposits (IAGOD). In that times with the access to everything what was new & important in the entire country. This paper is from 1972, so this is the year of the creation of Sieroszowice mine. In 2019 in my opinion, we should refere to this:

Btw - one co-operative Mindat manager and we will reorganise corectly entire Cu/Ag belt in one week, with new administrative rules etc.


18th Apr 2019 09:08 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

Ok. Unless someone comes up with an explanation as to what these two localities are I will delete them.

18th Apr 2019 09:25 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:


> I will delete


great decision !!!

18th Apr 2019 21:09 BSTŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

I will change these two localities according to Lis & Sylwestrzak data after I get backhome

18th Apr 2019 22:14 BSTŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

Done. Correct communes & counties now set, minor mineral adds done, locality info updated.

18th Apr 2019 22:26 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Both wrong - this boreholes belongs to the mining fields of Polkowice - Sieroszowice mine, as an integral part of the ore field.

18th Apr 2019 23:04 BSTŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

Irrelevant. We use administrative division in mindat, not a mining-field division.

18th Apr 2019 23:11 BSTAlfredo Petrov Manager

Polkowice - Sieroszowice is a mining district? Extending over parts of both Polkowice and Lubin counties?

If so, then it should added as a non-hierarchical locality.

18th Apr 2019 23:15 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

If tomorrow in drill core new kimberlite will be confirm and in the next 3 years in this place diamond mine will be built - "we" add borehole as independent locality and diamond mine as a second one - congratulation !

18th Apr 2019 23:30 BSTŁukasz Kruszewski Expert

Irrelevant - again.

Well, may Jolyon decide. No doubt he would love to mix administrative division and mining division.

18th Apr 2019 23:39 BSTRalph Bottrill Manager

Re is listed just as Potoczek but was noted to be also called Gaiki as the multiply-drilled prospect lies between these two villages. So maybe it should be listed as a mine/prospect rather than simply a village? Maybe the Potoczek (Gaiki) prospect, under the closest village? With the other isolated borehole it could be classified under the borehole name and village and classified Mine/borehole?

Re the mining field, yes this seems to be the main cause of argument here, as we would like to classify all these mineral deposits into mineral fields but we have not created these districts as non-hierarchical areas, so maybe somebody needs to do this first?

19th Apr 2019 00:06 BSTKrzysztof Andrzejewski

Ralph - I'm using sometimes 'mining field' as an expression regarding entire area of a specific mine, but in practice, it is a bit more complicated. Please look at the drawing in this topic:

Lubin mine with two mining fields:

- Lubin

- Malomice

similat situation in formerly Sieroszowice mine with two mining fields

- Sieroszowice

- Radwanice

A bit complicated but all possible to rearange.

Btw - real mine 'Polkowice - Sieroszowice' still doesn't exist in Mindat, available is an old version, pre - 1996
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