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GeneralDiscussion Format

8th Aug 2019 16:56 BSTDoug Schonewald

Is there a way with this new (and difficult) 'discussion' system to  see the posts and comments that are new since my last visit like the old (and friendly) discussion system? I find it ridiculous to have to go through every single topic heading one by one to see what has been posted since I visited last. Often, due to schedules, I might not visit for a week or more and it is crazy to have to spend hours searching by timeline of posts in every topic to find those comments I have missed while away. I am hoping there is a way and I just haven't found it yet.

8th Aug 2019 17:01 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

Click on the 'Latest' button in the menu on the right hand side.

14th Aug 2019 02:09 BSTSteven Kuitems Expert

When I go to the discussion of minerals with inclusions, yes I am logged in, and press the ‘latest’ button it takes me out of the page and to the recent discussions list. 
How do I quickly get to the most recent entry on the intended thread?

14th Aug 2019 02:35 BSTKevin Conroy

I think that the Minerals with inclusions post is about to have the same fate as the Nature Thread post.   Some limit has probably been reached which has introduced a "poltergeist".

As to the Latest button, I believe that's for the discussions list in general, not an individual discussion.

There was a discussion today that included the "most recent entry" situation:  

Frank K. Mazdab ManagerOne issue I didn't fully appreciate before is that new posts don't necessarily show up at the bottom of the thread. They do if you use the "reply" button at the bottom of the thread, but if you instead reply to an earlier message, then they show up nested beneath the message that was replied to... makes sense. However, as a thread gets longer and longer, replies could start showing up anywhere, including near the beginning. This may be particularly true if a newcomer finds the thread and starts reading from the beginning and finds an early post they want to respond to. If new replies can pop up anywhere in a thread, then how do we keep track of these in a lengthy thread without carefully scrolling through the whole thing and hoping we can recognize a post that wasn't there before?

Jolyon Ralph FounderWhen you view the thread it will jump to the latest reply.

Frank K. Mazdab ManagerYes, I've noticed that, but for example, what if the last 5 replies to a thread aren't all to the same post but are scattered throughout the thread? How do I find the the second or third most recent posts if they're located elsewhere in the thread?

Jolyon Ralph FounderThe date is in red and bold

Frank K. Mazdab ManagerYes, but do I have to scan the whole thread from top to bottom looking for posts with a red bold date? In a very long thread, that could get tiresome. And because the date/time is currently only in BST, it's a bit disorienting as well. I think in our testing phase, we may have had too few people and too short of test thread lengths to fully appreciate how this might work in a very long thread.I was originally going to post the following in Doug Schoenfeld's post about his navigation challenges, but instead I'll add it to this post (good thing I hit "copy" before I discarded it):Hi Jolyon,I think pointing Doug to the "latest" tab likely only answers part of his question, and his question follows up a bit on a related question I had myself (and posted elsewhere). The "latest" tab only lists the latest discussions, which might consist of one post (a new inquiry) or an active thread of many posts. Finding new post(s) in the former case is easy... finding the very last post in the latter case is also easy, because as you noted elsewhere, the system is smart enough to jump to the last post. But finding posts prior [italics] to the last post, without searching the thread, isn't obvious (and indeed may not be doable, given the new nested conversation format means the recent posts could be widely scattered in a thread). As an example, Mac Mail lets you switch between a nested conversation format and a sequential message format, and I wonder if perhaps adding that ability in a future update (certainly not now... you've already put a ton of work into this and no doubt you have other things you'd like to do) might benefit those who prefer serial thinking over parallel thinking.

Jolyon Ralph FounderThis is unavoidable when you have threaded messages like this. But look at this very thread of messages for the reason why this is important.` I'm replying to your message and the reply is directly connected to it, rather than being mixed up with replies to other points made here. This is one of the reasons why it's so important to keep the page clean and take out as many of the distractions as possible.

8th Aug 2019 21:33 BSTKevin Conroy

The new posts that you haven't read will have bold text in the "latest" list, while the ones that you're current with will have normal text.   You have to be logged in for my statement to be valid.

8th Aug 2019 21:49 BSTMario Pauwels

What has happened with my avatar ??? I never used this one as avatar, and how can I change it like it was before ???Best regards, Mario Pauwels

9th Aug 2019 00:50 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

There isn't a way to change avatars right now. I am working on it.

9th Aug 2019 01:19 BSTAndrew Debnam

How does one get to the end of a discussion, particularly  a longer older one. Right now is seems you need to scroll until the end or most recent one

12th Aug 2019 22:07 BSTJobe Giles

Yes I agree with Andrew here, having to scroll to the bottom of a page in order to get to another page is frustrating, especially on a cell phone and as the images load it keeps bumping the bottom of the page lower....

9th Aug 2019 10:03 BSTLuca Baralis Expert

Then I can no more find an option to mark all the group as read. Is it present yet?

12th Aug 2019 22:11 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

Not yet.

13th Aug 2019 17:58 BSTScott Rider

I know I beat this drum before, but I still think that MinDat should use pages for the longer topics.  Collected by Dirty hands (and the in-situ version), even on a good connection, still takes a bit to load and its very clunky until it fully loads.  

Even on my new iPhone XS, it takes a while to load.  In the days of limited cell phone data, it would be nice to have pages instead of every single reply on one page, save data!!

13th Aug 2019 18:48 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

It's better to start new threads occasionally rather than having multiple pages. If something's too long, we can close it off and start something new.

15th Aug 2019 18:03 BSTJobe Giles

Are you having any issues with uploading images with iOS?

13th Aug 2019 20:21 BSTDoug Schonewald

Thanks to everyone. It will take time to acclimate to this new system. It is bound to be better than before. I did notice you have to be logged in to reply or comment and that is a big plus in my book.

13th Aug 2019 21:23 BSTJolyon Ralph Founder

Unlike the old system which was stuck with fixed code written by someone else, this system (written 100% by me) is adaptable as and when we need to change it. I'm aware that things take time to get used to, but also I can see when the system is in use that some things may need to change. This can happen.

15th Aug 2019 18:03 BSTJobe Giles

I am glad and really appreciate your time in making the change! It looks good!

15th Aug 2019 21:38 BSTA. Mathauser

About the Nature Thread: where is my picture? Without it, there is no sense for writings...
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