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Fakes & FraudsAndara Obsidian
Looks like mandmade thing to me, am I right ?
21st Oct 2006 13:54 UTCAymeric Longi
Did a bit a of net search, except for ebay auctions, most sites about it say it originates from California.
So man made glass or not ?
Man made glass - noted it is copyrighted by a outfit called "purplelotus". You can not copyright a factual mineral name, so it is a term of their invention.
21st Oct 2006 14:09 UTCChester S. Lemanski, Jr. Manager
Glass, is the same of the Lipari fake obsidian. A lot of spherical bubble of gas, flux structure typical of sintetic glass, the color is probably from incorrect mixing or contamination of the glass in a furnace! I think is the same production in China and after sale for natural "special" obsidian in a different place of the world!
21st Oct 2006 14:16 UTCGiorgio Bogni
I like the scientific fact that "Andara Crystals are heliocentric; they absorb and reflect light". Ummmmm, isn't that true of most things? Otherwise we could never see anything!!! This is glass for sure.
21st Oct 2006 15:36 UTCPaul L. Boyer
23rd Oct 2006 07:13 UTCFerdinando Giovine
Andara Glass "not crystals as many folks label them" were first found in a garbage dump in CA. This is just one example of fakery that gives metaphysical dealers a bad name. I really hate that.
27th Jan 2007 21:31 UTCKristi Hugs
Whether you believe rocks have energy or not, properties or not, etc we all have a right to make a living. However, I try to be as true to my clients as possible. I highlight any items that are man made and tell them as such. I do not go in for dyed materials and I do not carry any of these obvious fakes (azeztulite, andara, russian lemurians, puhh leese). While the scientists folks may not agree with what I do, it is ok, I am here to learn, to bridge that gap between science and other stuff :)
Integrity is important....I dont like being faked out either :) Andara is definitely a fake.
Andara Obsidian, scientifically speaking, does not exist. Andara Obsidian is just a HUGE HOAX. If you want, other guys can offer you merlinites, which also doesn't exist, of course! It 's shocking to see that nowadays impudent guys try to abuse people in need of spirituality. How painfull to feel ridiculous after buying a fake stone abusively expensive! Andara obsidian is mere glass, usually made in asian countries. It's spiritual sadism. As if they liked it, isn't it?
17th Mar 2007 11:27 UTCFrancois Prunier
BEWARE EVERYBODY, BEFORE BUYING A STONE, INVESTIGATE FIRST!
Looks like someone got to the seller. Both items were taken off. Maybe they'll pop up as something else.
19th Mar 2007 02:52 UTCWes Gannaway
What tou mean? A seller who mislead people with invented "andara" obsidian? I hope he specifies the lab origin of this marvelous merchandise. It could have been called "andara crystal", yet "andara obsidian" is pretty ambiguous! If somebody could proove the natural origin of the so called "andara obsidian", then maybe it would be better for everybody.
24th Mar 2007 15:16 UTCspitfire
BEWARE! DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE BUYING! I'm glad I did some research before buying one of these. I had never heard of it and was actually more upset about the ridiculous shipping charges so I decided to find out just how rare and worth buying this item really was. It's a cool looking fake. They even list its metaphysical properties. Calling its inclusions meteors, ancient gas bubbles and snowballs. It could put a sparkle in any unenlightened rock-hound's eye. If you want all of these qualities in a stone, buy a real one. This is just cool glass. Didnt realize they copyrighted it, that would have thrown up a red flag for sure. Sad to see the positive feedback from all their satisfied suckers, I may have been one of them.
31st Mar 2007 14:23 UTCTrish Saternus
31st Mar 2007 16:11 UTCAlan Plante
Your comment about it being "Sad to see the positive feedback from all their satisfied suckers." reinforces my belief that the feedback is not a particularly reliable barometer of a seller's honesty and/or the quality of his or her goods. There are just so many uninformed people buying minerals these days that when they tout a seller that has actually sold them junk without them knowing it the seller must be chuckling up his/her sleeve.
I have felt that buyer feedback is one of the *least* reliable indicators of a good seller on eBay for quite some time now. I am always surprised to hear people recommend it as such. Perhaps they just haven't thought of the different ways a seller can get a high positive feedback score even though they are scamming their customers...
I still feel as I always have about on-line sales: If you don't know the seller, or know someone you can really trust who can vouch for them being honest, you are taking a chance. Given all the scams being perpetrated at such sites, I think the risk is significant - especially to the uninformed buyer.
definitely, ebay feedback is mainly about customer satisfaction and has not so much to do with seller honnesty and quality of what he sells.
2nd Apr 2007 21:03 UTCAymeric Longi
I'm always sorry to see people ravished at buying things such as these ugly orangish-pink Katlang irradiated topaz. I know as well about a Peruvian seller which sells pretty nice local stuff at fair prices, seems to me at least. But the guy has a 85% positive feedback, which is quite low actually. But if you check the details, you can see that most negative feedback were given because of very long delay before receiving the item. so what ? It just always takes ages for a simple registered mail from South America to reach its destination! never took less than a month for me.
There are also kinda degrees of feedback, there's quite a difference between one + feedback saying "oh wow ! stunning piece, amazing seller full satisfaction, etc." which might let think that the customer is really happy of his deal, and another +feedback with very cold and simple "correct" or "ok", which can means that customer is not that happy of his deal.
Khuda Hafeez !
"There are also kinda degrees of feedback, there's quite a difference between one + feedback saying "oh wow ! stunning piece, amazing seller full satisfaction, etc." which might let think that the customer is really happy of his deal, and another +feedback with very cold and simple "correct" or "ok", which can means that customer is not that happy of his deal."
3rd Apr 2007 01:51 UTCJustin Zzyzx Expert
Actually, I find that most variations of feedback don't work the way described above. Lots of people leave feedback that sounds stunning for an average transactions and some people just leave "Ok" no matter what kind of service they get. I think it really has to do with the kind of personality the buyer has in the first place. You can bend over backwards for some people and they will go "meh" and some people will be thrilled that you included a free quartz point. Sometimes this is true, but I think that most one word "Meh" kind of statements are just because of that kind of person is like that in real life.
I tested two 'andara obsidian'. The Specific gravity (SG) readings were 2.503 and 2.504 and the refractive index (RI) readings were 1.521 and 1.522. Both were Singly refractive in the polariscope. They were almost inert under the Presidium heat tester (0-0.25 versus synthetic ruby which as 4.95).
20th Jun 2007 02:49 UTCTomGG
The GIA values for obsidian are RI = 1.49 +.20/-.10 and SG=2.40 +.10/-.07.
My heat tester readings for obsidian are typically 0.5 to 0.6.
I am interested in you tests of the 'andara' but what you tested... what does that mean?
26th Jun 2007 22:09 UTCIris
On the other hand I want to add:
I for one do feel that the metaphysical qualities of andara are different from glass... i work with both... I personally don't really care why but it is different very much in the way it reacts and how I work with it.
It might be glass that has undergone a different treatment.. in any case for me there IS a huge difference between 'regular' glas, crystal glass and this material.. NOT the same at all..
Unfortunately I can't tell you what is different about it in a more technical way.
I have amazing spheres that are beautiful glass found in Indonesia. I have over 60. They are emerald green, clear with white powdered crystal forms within them. Literally gorgeous to behold as art.
3rd Apr 2008 11:11 UTCGayle Newhouse
I have traveled worldwide and have found similar glass in obscure places such as the Himalyas. Los Angeles, New York and Egypt. It orginally came to my house in Hawaii from north California.
I, too, find an energy around these spheres and around raw form large chunks I brought back from Indonesia. I have placed them around trees on my farm, I find the trees grow larger faster than others on the property.
I, also, seem to feel that humility magnifies quite appropriately around them. What a beautiful message for those who are there what a challenge for those who wish to exploit or use them for gain. What ever the truth of the matter, it doesn't matter, as long as you remain a free and sovereign Being in the Light of their presence. For glass is liquid, we are liquid and liquid responds to energy which carries crystaline properties that respond to our thoughts and emotions. Their arrival, fake or not, are real because we have made it so.
3rd Apr 2008 12:50 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
Gayle, April Fools was two days ago.
3rd Apr 2008 17:52 UTCRay Ladbury
I remember reading somewhere that the "Andara Obsidian" is made out of some volcano hashes. Could it be just the Indonesian version of "Helenite" ?
8th Apr 2008 20:53 UTCAymeric Longi
I've lived in the "Donner Pass" area for 30 years, have my own crystal shop for 15 years and today I was searching around and was surprised to find "andaran" crystals
23rd Apr 2008 01:19 UTCfreewoman
listed as from this area. I had never heard of such a thing here. We have other
crystal areas but no one in the area carries this. I would think if it really was from here I would have heard it mentioned by someone by now!
Gayle, if a put a bunch of halite on my lawn it would probably die. Does this mean they have some sort of power? Nothing that can't be explained scientifically. Perhaps the area you put the rocks in is high in nitrogen.
23rd Apr 2008 01:52 UTCMike Salotti
I know many sellers hold feedback as hostage. The seller will not leave the buyer feedback unless the buyer leaves feedback first. This is a horrible system. If the buyer pays for the merchandise in a timely manner, what else is there to rate the buyer on. I notice for everyone who has ever left a negative rating for a seller, they have received one back. Many would rather cope with the substandard item than risk hurting their ebay score.
23rd Apr 2008 18:53 UTCMike Salotti
oh you guys wanna know how I turned spiritual today? I was at my friend's house and was playing around with his crystals about 3 years ago. Although I knew this fella for over 2 years then, his obsession with crystal freaks me out.
24th Jun 2008 02:08 UTCAdrian
It was not until I picked up a black andara he placed at the corner of his room and then suddenly felt strangely uncomfortable and broke out in cold sweat and fainting that I wouldn't have called for his help and he did some energy healing on me to reduce the effects and got me curious, that I wouldn't log on to the net and read more on the andara. Interestingly, one of the authors mentioned that she was feeling the energy 'turn like a juice blender' which was similar to my encounter and I bought myself a seafoam andara stone. And that was the first crystal I could feel the energy the first time in my life!
That started my quest for questions and questions on spirituality and greater understanding. I'll never forget that experience.
Adrian, While I don't think anyone would seek to claim your experience is invalid, it is not "scientific". A variety of emotional and psychological factors can influence our experience of objects in the world without those objects themselves possessing any particular power. To verify that your feelings about crystals correspond to verifiable reality, you would need to do something like a double-blind test. Samples would have to be prepared by an independent tester so that one could not tell by any visual, tactile, etc. cue what was inside. Each sample would be numbered. A second tester, not knowing what was inside the samples would draw the samples at random and present them to you. You would then have to identify the samples as "having energy" or not. You could repeat this several times (on renumbered and repackaged samples) to see if you consistently identied the same samples. This is the only way I know of that you could establish that there is something beyond sight, smell, taste, touch and hearing that you are experiencing.
24th Jun 2008 16:43 UTCRay Ladbury
"... then suddenly felt strangely uncomfortable and broke out in cold sweat and fainting ..."
24th Jun 2008 20:03 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
Ate something wrong maybe?
"... did some energy healing on me"
Very specific. (So you already tended to believe in esoteric healing?)
Sorry, but such experiences don't have any significance.
Aloha, I am the originator of the name "Andara" for this crystal-GLASS and channelled the original material for it, of only PARTS are generally quoted by sellers of Andara.
13th Sep 2010 18:57 UTCMaia Nartoomid
You can read my entire article here:
Just read Maia's article.
13th Sep 2010 20:09 UTCDan Carlson
There's hope for all of us when "trash glass" can achieve enlightenment!
I live in a retirement community in Tucson, AZ. It is extensively terraced and all of the slopes are stabilized with river rock. In spite of all of the aura and positive energy emanating from these rocks, people are still getting sick, and a few have even died this year. What gives???
13th Sep 2010 23:02 UTCDennis Tryon
Elementary, dear Dennis: They are all nonbelievers. This sort of thing only works for true believers.
13th Sep 2010 23:05 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
Or those with deep pockets and nothing upstairs....
14th Sep 2010 01:21 UTCPaul Brandes Manager
I used to make these into jewelery 5yrs ago I nearly took over a large wholesale operation of these. Before committing to the hefty price I met the woman who started it all. She has now passed away... She told me that the Andaras are man made glass, that contain Monotonic Minerals found on or inside of some of the glass which really does have healing properties. You can buy it from harmonicinnerprizes. This company has a contract on the land to buy the "Etherium Powder" which is a deposit of powder from a Meteor. The powder has a brain balancing affect which has been proven. This ended up fooling a lot of poor healers who felt the power of the powder when they held andaras.I now steer clear of andaras 'man made glass'
16th Oct 2012 06:33 UTCJessa
16th Oct 2012 23:07 UTCTim Jokela Jr
ARE YOU INSANE???
WILL THIS CRAP NEVER END?????????????????????
Time for a filter here on MinDat. To login you must answer a simple math question; eg: 2+2. This should weed out these whackjob crystal power types.
Gee, Tim; maybe you need some etherium powder?! http://www.energeticnutrition.com/hi/howto.html#.UH35LK5rbAk
17th Oct 2012 01:19 UTCKen Doxsee
I'm going to apply for a government grant to create energy using monotonic minerals immersed in etherium powder.....
17th Oct 2012 04:41 UTCDoug Daniels
Tim: I just feel like you!
17th Oct 2012 17:25 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
i begin to have enough of this metaphysical speeches here on mindat . We have all at least a minumum of scientific knowledge here on this forum and i dont think you convinced no one to believe in phenomena not based on scientific experience . this part of mindat have been created to inform customers for there protection especially against this kind of metaphysial scrap. Using words than you cannot understand to described an object dont give to this object a special power . Just a little bit of education is enough to know than all the property give to minerals by metaphysicians are totally impossible and a complete nonsense. I think than mindat must banned a member at the moment he begin to use this kind of metaphysical speech in his message , exactly like they do with members making spam or self advertising . we dont have time to argue with person using arguments based on nothing real. im really interested to know the opinion of the others mindat members about banning this kind of members.bye
22nd Oct 2012 23:16 UTCAnonymous User
Yanick, I don't believe we have any contributing members who are "hard-core" metaphysical types......we do have several contributing members who strive to get the species names right and for them mindat is a valuable resource. I don't buy into the metaphysical bovine defacation either but I also don't buy into ANY religious mysticism....period.
23rd Oct 2012 01:09 UTCDon Saathoff Expert
Tim, you forgot to include "baryte" on your list.
23rd Oct 2012 03:52 UTCSteve Hardinger Expert
it's glas, the bubble is visible end a color is not natural... it's catch sucker.
23rd Oct 2012 10:01 UTCHubert Daré
The consensus I have gathered is these are man-made. The question I have now is how much does it cost to produce these? Are the people selling the Andara's taking major advantage of peoples wallets as well? Is $20 for a 15g Andara crystal worth it's cost?
3rd Jan 2013 19:59 UTCSamuel Farrand
She has "monatomic" andara crystals. Pretty big atoms. How could scientists have overlooked such a heavy element? :-S
6th Jan 2013 15:34 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
I am interested in this man made glass for a large glass art project, and probably other art pieces after. I wouldn't purchase from these con men selling it as magic crystals etc but would like to purchase from a producer source. An ideas where/who is producing glass like this. Canada would be nice for less shipping expense. I read here, it is being produced in Asia.
28th Jan 2013 17:14 UTCJon Phillips
My other interest is in making it from molten silica glass or quartz. Any knowledge or leads here on how it is made. Metal fuming molten glass. Or maybe metal powder in molten glass. What elements produce what colors? I have just recently started doing research on glass production, furnace construction and annealing chambers.
And no I have no interest in selling it as some spiritual nonsense. My interest is art and possibly some jewelry to support my art projects.
I am also interested in clear quartz bulk. Again as a art material. Not points but rough stones of clear quartz. I have found some suppliers in Brazil selling large quantities but so far shipping to Canada is too costly. Any thoughts on how to ship economically?
Heimerker diamond would also be nice to work with just to expensive as far as any sources I have found.
It is the transparency and clarity of these materials that attracts me to use it for art and how light passes through and is reflected.
Lots of questions I know. Thanks in advance for any answers and insight you can give.
and just because you non-believers don't believe, I will bet anyone that they CAN NOT prove an andara is not real by testing....please show me your proof!!!!! Test results....whatever it takes.....because I have healed people and will continue healing until the andaras are taken away from me!!!! It is clear to me that andaralady is selling slag glass (just look up Dorene Patterson glass on google and you will find the first result proof of her false interest)) But the true suppliers of andara ARE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE TRUE SHAMAN AND HELP THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING AN ANDARA!!!! SORRY FOR YOUR UNKIND BELIEF TOWARD SOMETHING THAT IS REAL....YOU ARE WASTING YOUR LIFE ON SOMETHING SO NEGATIVE!!!!
3rd Feb 2013 05:11 UTC???
3rd Feb 2013 06:03 UTCDon Windeler
At the risk of this being a response to trolling, you have it backwards.
The rest of the world doesn't need to prove to you that it doesn't work. You need to prove it does, using repeatable, scientific methods. Until then the best you have going is selective reporting of the placebo effect on people who want to believe.
Sorry if you consider this being negative, but that's how the scientific method works.
p.s. You may also want to tone down the all caps, bolds, and italics if you want to be taken seriously.
People who believe in this witch doctor voodo crystal healing nonsense aren't likely to listen to facts any time now or in the future. Just ignore their angry little outbursts. And mr/ms ???? I would suggest you try some agate as it seems you need a strong calming influence.
3rd Feb 2013 10:13 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
If these people who are selling these andara items are so interested in healing people, why are the prices so high? Wouldn't they be practically giving it away if they really wanted to be such good and kind "healers?" You sell it yourself don't you? So you know how much money is being made and how much these poor desperate people who believe this stuff are paying for pretty little pieces of glass.
4th Feb 2013 19:53 UTCJon Phillips
Heal me by sending me a few tons for my art projects. :)
Jon, the prices are high because these snake oil salesmen have to cover the fines that some have experienced...files by the FDA and other agencies for making false medicinal claims.
4th Feb 2013 20:37 UTCSteve Hardinger Expert
Oh my, methinks a nerve or two was tweaked.
22nd Feb 2013 01:20 UTCKristi Hugs
??? if you go back to page one, I believe that there is a post where some testing was done and the results were shared. But, please, do not get upset just because someone does not believe as you do. You have entered the land of science/geology here. It is not Oz. Ghandi said, "Each to his own, without judgement."
That being said, I am a metaphysical dealer, I have shared that many times. But I also want the geological truth and all of you have been gracious enough to share, assist, and teach me for quite a few years now.
I will say this........Andara is simply glass. Obsidian is a type of glass. Sand is a silicate that makes glass. It is all in the details :) In the end, it is still just glass :)
Thank you all for being such wonderful teachers to me :)
I just bought a whole bunch of this stuff from some Native American dude just across the Oregon border! He was selling a bunch of Arkansas crystal clusters and other stuff in a Chevron gas station parking lot.. I recognized it as "Andara glass". He told me it came from the mountains in Northern California and he just wanted to get rid of it. I got 3 flats of it (large chunks, totaling around 20 lbs.) for $50 bucks! I haven't decided what I'm gonna do with it yet, but there's a lady at the crystal fairs that sells it for $100 an ounce. If I DO decide to sell it, it won't be for that outrageous price! I have no doubt that people feel energy from it, as they do from my wands that I make from natural crystals and stones. Who are we to say that it doesn't work? Anything will work if people believe in it. It's all about the power of the mind anyway. If someone believes it works for them, chances are it will. I've seen it happen over and over again!
15th Jun 2013 04:48 UTCPossum Whisperer
Let me begin my rant first by stating my credentials:
30th Jan 2015 18:56 UTCAkal
M.S. In physiology university of Illinois
B.S. In kinesiology
15 years teaching kundalini yoga
20 years of daily meditation
Majored in geology at university of Iowa for 2 years
For those of you who disbelieve in the metaphysical properties of crystals, you are just not sensitive enough to feel the energy given off; learn to meditate and your perception will change. Belief isn't necessary to feel a crystal, and belief isn't necessary for one to experience where a crystal might help you journey during meditation. All that is required is surrender. If you can quite your mind for a moment and stop being so attached to your judgment and intellect then you too will be able to feel the vibrational difference between various crystals; use your left palm. Granted there are some wackos out there who want to believe so badly that a crystal can heal that they ride the placebo effect and achieve some result; placebo or not the result is all that matters. If you do your research you will find that the number one enemy of pharmaceuticals is the placebo. Wether it's crystals or drugs or herbs or yoga or medicine or whatever the true healer is the individual and all else is simply a helper. Don't take this FACT for granted: you exist in your body always from birth to death and true well being is rooted in your relationship to all that you are; science may have a difficult time in quantifying this FACT, so does it mean it's untrue??? Science is not a static field, it's current state is always dependent on the past and it's evolution is entirely dependent on discoveries to come, some of which may be a present be pseudo science.
As for the Andara, I'm going to buy one. I'm sensitive to all sorts of materials, so if I feel something then that's enough to legitimize the material for me; man made or not.
The bottom line is, if it works for you there is nothing to argue about.
30th Jan 2015 21:04 UTCReiner Mielke Expert
Meditation can be medicinal, sometimes detaching oneself from the world's madness and stress can do wonders. It's not Jesus' spit and mud that healed the blind man but his belief that it will help. If belief in healing rocks helps you - God bless you, your life is that much easier.
31st Jan 2015 01:25 UTCA. Mathauser
I will not market rocks as anything other than what they are - ornamental or scientific objects. I'm not licensed to practice medicine. How could I live with myself knowing I purposely misled and delayed someone who needed professional help and by that I possibly caused them irreversible harm?
Hi everyone, It appears there is another seller on ebay that is trying to push this fake Obsidian, I actually emailed them to let them know that this material is in fact fake and he insists it is the real deal as we all know that Obsidian of this material has never been found, it would need a variety of chemicals to form such a color that do not exist in volcanic lava. It seems alot of people are bidding on this crap and getting ripped off for hundreds of dollars. I would encourage you all to email this person and report him to ebay as i have done, maybe after the heat is turned up ebay will finally do something about this. Its really sad to see stuff like this go on as it gives honest dealers a very bad name.
17th Apr 2016 18:06 UTCKelly Hilmer
Incredible that this seller ("yogapacific") has "99,9% Positive feedback".
17th Apr 2016 18:11 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
He even abuses a real locality where (black) obsidian occurs.
"EXTREMELY RARE BLUE OBSIDIAN CRYSTAL MINED IN 1995 IN BITLIS, TURKEY"
The Bitlis obsidian is black in color.
17th Apr 2016 18:33 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
But....it's an obsidian CRYSTAL..... (as Popeye would say -"arf arf arf")
17th Apr 2016 19:05 UTCDoug Daniels
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