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4th Oct 2019 06:30 UTCAngel Nguyen

This is one of many I purchased from an AirBnb in Sedona. I have fallen in love with all of them and want to make sure that I am storing and cleaning each one correctly. The seller said that they came from a friends shop in Sedona that had recently closed named Blue Moon Crystals. I have contacted several people, after doing my own research, and cannot find the original owner.
I've read a few publications and am afraid to test them myself. I am not educated enough to do so. Can somebody help? 

4th Oct 2019 09:29 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager

Welcome to Mindat Angel,

Your specimen is baryte and looking at the red host rock ( matrix ) it's possible it comes from Mibladen. We need more pics from the matrix to rule out some localities.

Here are the links to the mineral page and to the locality page.



4th Oct 2019 18:41 UTCAngel Nguyen

Thank you. Thank you for the links. Shall I post more pictures here?

11th Oct 2019 05:35 UTCAngel Nguyen

Here are more photos.

11th Oct 2019 05:39 UTCAngel Nguyen


4th Oct 2019 10:07 UTCDana Slaughter

Completely agree....baryte with possible vanadinite (not seen) from Mibladen, Morocco.

4th Oct 2019 18:42 UTCAngel Nguyen

Thank you for responding.

4th Oct 2019 12:17 UTCPaul Brandes Manager

Welcome to Mindat, Angel!

While I tend to agree, I do have one question. Does it feel heavy (dense) for its size?

4th Oct 2019 18:43 UTCAngel Nguyen

It does feel much heavier than it looks. Shall I weigh it?

4th Oct 2019 19:07 UTCEd Clopton Expert

There is little doubt that it is barite, but cockscomb barite is found in so many places that I would be cautious about attributing it--"maybe from Mibladen, Morocco and maybe not" is as far as I would go, at least without seeing it in person.  Mibladen is a good candidate, however, given the huge volume of specimen material on the market from there.

5th Oct 2019 10:12 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager

The baryte blades, dusted over with manganese oxides on a red matrix does not leave many options. However, everything is possible.
Angel, you should look for aditionnal minerals like tiny red hexagonal crystals or yellow square ones. Or aditional pictures of the red matrix and the top of the specimen.
That would rule out quite a lot of localities.

8th Oct 2019 05:26 UTCAngel Nguyen

I do see yellow. 

8th Oct 2019 05:29 UTCAngel Nguyen

Here is the other side.

8th Oct 2019 05:31 UTCAngel Nguyen

Another side

8th Oct 2019 13:31 UTCPaul Brandes Manager

The density and last photos pretty much confirms baryte. Location on the other hand will be tougher. Could be Mibladen, could be US (I've seen material from New Mexico like this).

8th Oct 2019 14:33 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager

Thank you Angel for the additionnal pictures.
With these, the " Mibladen for sure " option is questionnable.

Could you take a pic of the small yellow crystals, please?
Thank you.

8th Oct 2019 18:16 UTCAngel Nguyen

If you zoom in on the pic where I stated that I saw yellow, lower left side, you will see a spot of yellow. There aren't many of them. Is that ok or would you like me to try t o take a better pic? When I use my microscope I see golden balls to the right of the yellow crystals. 

9th Oct 2019 03:09 UTCKevin Conroy Expert

A close-up photo would really help.   Without seeing this, a wild guess is that the balls may be mimetite.

11th Oct 2019 05:32 UTCAngel Nguyen



11th Oct 2019 05:34 UTCAngel Nguyen

Does this help?

8th Oct 2019 21:43 UTCAngel Nguyen

Please feel free to correct me when I say things like "balls". I like to learn and am not easily offended. 

9th Oct 2019 12:25 UTCDana Slaughter

Any yellowish crystals could be cerussite---a very common association with Mibladen baryte. I might hazard a guess that the bottom of the piece shows some dark manganese spotting? The microcrystalline mineralization, manganese staining and appearance all point conclusively to me that it is from Mibladen and I'm a bit surprised at the reluctance to assign this piece to Mibladen---there are literally thousands of such pieces on the market.

10th Oct 2019 22:01 UTCAngel Nguyen

Thank you for your response Dana. The last pic I posted is what I assumed to be the bottom. 
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