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GeneralMonoatomic Andara Crystal!

9th Oct 2019 14:38 UTCRob Enggist

Well, i picked up a way-back discussion of 2013 about the fake nature of Andara Crystal from the Lady Nellie Estate on Mt. Shasta in Northern California. Im dumb with a Phd and fell into the same trap like many . . . if you like slag or pate de verre glass you do not have to be too concerned, also if money is no object, keep on buying these crystals that are glass. On the other hand, if you do not like to be taken for a ride, DON'T BUY ANDARA CRYSTALS.     re

9th Oct 2019 19:11 UTCScott Rider

Yeah, this scam has been going on since 2013.

9th Oct 2019 21:27 UTCHiro Inukai

I just read half of that thread--didn't have time to read the whole thing--and the part about labeling specimens as "products of" versus "made in" their country of origin amused me to no end.

But on a more serious note, I see these "Andara crystals" and similarly exotic-sounding frauds everywhere.  I've also noticed that some dealers will sell authentic specimens to the collector market, but on another site (or even sometimes on the same site!) they'll sell the fakes and the bulk quantity crap to the "metaphysical" market.  Now, I absolutely understand why some dealers would do this:  if they can't sustain their business on the sales from serious collectors, the sad reality is that they'd need to market to the crowds of people out there who believe that rocks have healing or mystical properties.

Still, I do think that these dealers do more harm than good by blurring what is in fact a very clear line between the two.  The relationship is almost parasitic in a way, in that the frauds and fakes tend to be advertised in a pseudoscientific manner that superficially appropriates the language and terminology of the serious collector and mineralogist.  We have enough to worry about from unscrupulous scammers who engage in theft and resale of legitimately valuable specimens.

The other day, I saw yet another consumer defrauded by one of those autoclave-grown quartz with "chlorite" phantom specimens.  Then there's my local gem/mineral store, which does a healthy business but only for the mass market stuff for tourists.  Their Yelp reviews (not that I put much stock in those) reflect the popular sentiment that their nearby competitor has much better prices, with more variety.  When I visited that place...all I saw was selenite wands, cheap polished quartz points, and wall-to-wall tacky carvings.  Despite wanting to write it off immediately, I did my due diligence and really looked everywhere for something with an actual locality label, and managed to locate a small countertop acrylic cabinet with a few dusty specimens of azurite/malachite, and some other common minerals you could buy for under $20 at a show.  This place had glowing reviews.

9th Oct 2019 20:55 UTCSteve Hardinger Expert

Perhaps the first clue that this is questionable lies in the name: glass is amorphous (some even say a liquid) and not crystalline.
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