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Improving Mindat.orgmindat glossary - cuboctahedron - please add

18th Aug 2020 09:06 UTCHerwig Pelckmans

Right now this word is missing in the mindat glossary.
Please add and please also add the link to the following thread:

At the same time, the word "cubododecahedron could be added as well. 
This word is rarely used, but it does exist and is a valid word in English. Has been used by mineralogists before.

Cheers, Herwig
ACAM & MKA (Belgium)

20th Aug 2020 23:10 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

Hi Herwig
I have just added cuboctahedral to the glossary, suggestions welcome. I would like to add a crystal model if I can work out how?

21st Aug 2020 01:00 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

Hi Ralph... build your own models on www.smorf.nl to your own specifications... make one form dominant if you like, make one just hint, however you want. Then you can either download the image or download the link to the specific model you built, or both. The linked form is rotatable by anyone who visits the link. How to include the controls specifically here on mindat as Jolyon has on the mineral pages, however, I also don't know how to do.

 I elaborate on smorf in the thread about Chinese "no they're not trapezohedrons" fluorite forms.

21st Aug 2020 07:41 UTCHerwig Pelckmans

Hi Ralph,
Thank you for creating the glossary page for cuboctahedron:

The definition mentioned now is for the geometric cuboctahedron, and in nature, this is a true rarity. Nevertheless it can be found, as illustrated by the photo of the Okoruso fluorite you added (great find!!).

But since in mineralogy the cuboctahedron is does not need to have 24 identical edges, I suggest to change the text to:

***
A geometric cuboctahedron is defined as a polyhedron with 8 triangular faces and 6 square faces. A cuboctahedron has 12 identical vertices, with 2 triangles and 2 squares meeting at each, and 24 identical edges, each separating a triangle from a square (source: Wikipedia).

Finding a true geometric cuboctahedron in nature is extremely rare: in most cases the 24 edges are not identical. Nevertheless some crystals come close to this geometric polyhedron, as illustrated here by the photo of the Okoruso fluorite.

In mineralogy, a cuboctahedron is the name for a crystal that shows the combination of two isometric crystal forms: the cube {100} and the octahedron {111}. The size of both forms does not matter: as long as both are present, the crystal will be called a cuboctahedron. The cuboctahedron can be seen in many minerals that belong to the isometric system, including fluorite, galena and pyrite.

Since in mineralogy a cuboctahedron does (need to) not have 24 identical edges, it comes in two major habits:
* smaller four-sided faces and larger six-sided faces (because the octahedron is dominant)
* larger eight-sided faces and smaller three-sided faces (because the cube is dominant) 

When the octahedron is slightly dominant over the cube, a cuboctahedron can also be confused with a cubododecahedron. 
See this discussion for ways to distinguish between both: 
https://www.mindat.org/mesg-523029.html
***

Cheers, Herwig
ACAM & MKA (Belgium)

21st Aug 2020 07:44 UTCHerwig Pelckmans

05680260014946343754550.jpg
Copyright © Dean Lagerwall
And if possible, I suggest adding the above illustration to the Glossary page in question as well.

photo-344035.html on mindat

Cheers, Herwig
ACAM & MKA (Belgium)
 
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