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Fakes & FraudsList of synthetic and artificial compounds
23rd Nov 2011 21:26 UTCcascaillou
SYNTHETIC MINERALS:
1)Main synthetic gems:
-synthetic beryl (in many colors) and synthetic emerald (flux or hydrothermal synthesis method)
-synthetic chrysoberyl and color-change synthetic alexandrite (Czochralski pulling method, Floating zone method, flux method, or hydrothermal synthesis method)
-synthetic corundum, in many colors (several existing processes: flux synthesis method, hydrothermal synthesis method, and also several melt processes such as Verneuil flame fusion method, Czochralski pulling method, Kyropoulos method, Bridgman-Stockbarger method, Heat Exchanger method and Floating zone method)
-synthetic diamond (synthetic diamond is made through high-pressure-high-temperature aka HPHT method, or through chemical-vapour-deposition aka CVD method, and synthetic nano-polycrystalline diamond aka NPD is made through an ultra-HPHT sintering process)
-synthetic forsterite (synth. magnesium silicate made through Czochralski pulling method. Let's note that blue synth.forsterite is used as an imitation of tanzanite).
-synthetic lapis lazuli (ceramic type, sintered sodium aluminium silicate with sulfur Na8(AlSiO4)6S2 But let's note that the chemical composition doesn't exactly match lazurite or hauyne)
-synthetic opal (colloidal synthesis sedimentation process, possibly different kind of fabrications)
-synthetic quartz, in many colors (hydrothermal synthesis method)
-synthetic rutile (titanium oxide, made through Verneuil flame fusion method and Floating zone method. Has been used as a diamond imitation)
-synthetic spinel, in many colors (Verneuil flame fusion method, Czochralski pulling method, and flux method)
-synthetic turquoise (ceramic type, sintered copper aluminium hydrous phosphate CuAl6[(OH)2|PO4]4.4H2O Let's note the absence of iron in the chemical composition)
Topaz (hydrothermal method), Zircon (Flux or hydrothermal method) and Tourmaline (hydrothermal method, small crystals, a few millimeters in size) have been synthesized experimentally but these have not been commercialized. At the present time, tanzanite has not yet been synthesized.
Synthetic jadeite has been produced experimentally (high pressure high temperature process) but was not commercialized, and to my knowledge nephrite has not been synthesized.
2)Other synthetic minerals (but not all commercialized):
synthetic alum (and chrome alum), synthetic apatite, synthetic berlinite, synthetic bismuth crystals, synthetic bromellite, synthetic calcite, synthetic cassiterite, synthetic chabazite, synthetic chalcanthite, synthetic chalcedony, synthetic copper crystals, synthetic cuprite, synthetic diopside, synthetic eulytine, synthetic fluorite, synthetic fresnoite, synthetic gahnite, synthetic gold crystals, synthetic greenockite, synthetic gypsum, synthetic halite, synthetic hubnerite, synthetic lopezite, synthetic malachite, synthetic nickel sulfate (retgersite), synthetic periclase, synthetic peridot, synthetic perovskite, synthetic phenakite, synthetic powellite, synthetic proustite, synthetic scheelite, synthetic sellaite, synthetic silver crystals, synthetic sodalite, synthetic sphalerite, synthetic stibiotantalite, synthetic stolzite (aka PWO), synthetic sulphur crystals, synthetic sylvite, synthetic titanite, synthetic villiaumite, synthetic wulfenite, synthetic wurtzite, synthetic zincite, etc...
ARTIFICIAL COMPOUNDS:
1)Main artificial compounds:
Besides plastics, resins, glass and ceramics let's mention:
-cubic Zirconia, aka CZ (cubic ZrO2, made through skull crucible melt process. Used as a diamond imitation)
-gadolinium gallium garnet, aka GGG (Gd3Ga5O12, made through Czochralski pulling method, Floating zone method, or flux method. Used as a diamond imitation)
-moissanite (silicon carbide is made through melt process, CVD or PVT method, or flux method. Used as a diamond imitation. Let's note that there's a natural analogue, however it's very rare and mostly microscopic)
-strontium titanate, aka STO or Fabulite (SrTiO3, made through Verneuil flame fusion method or flux method. Used as a diamond imitation)
-yttrium aluminium garnet, aka YAG (Y3Al5O12, made through Czochralski pulling method, Floating zone method, flux method, or sometimes hydrothermal method. Used as a diamond imitation)
2)Other artificial compounds:
Many different artificial crystals are being synthesized (i.e. well over 100), mostly for optical applications (lasers), and it wouldn't be practical to list them all here. Let's still mention a few ones:
barium titanate, bismuth-germanium oxide (aka BGO), lanthanum-gallium silicate (aka LGS or Langasite), lithium fluoride, lithium niobate (aka LNB or Linobate), lithium tantalate (aka LTA or Litanite), potassium hexacyanoferrate (aka Pruskite), silicon, yttrium-gallium garnet (aka YGG), yttrium-iron garnet (aka YIG), yttrium ortho-aluminate (aka YAlO or YAP), Yttrium orthosilicate (aka YSO), Yttrium ortho-vanadate (aka YVO), Yttrium oxide (aka Yttralox), etc...
Here are links with pictures:
https://www.surfacenet.de/crystals.html
http://www.mt-berlin.com/frames_cryst/crystals_frameset1.htm
http://www.castech.com/products.aspx?bid=3&selectIndex=0
Note: when refractive index isn't found on the supplier website, you can also check here: http://refractiveindex.info/
WHICH SYNTHETIC CRYSTALS ACTUALLY SHOW CRYSTALLINE FACETS:
That is a matter of growth process: flux grown and hydrothermal grown synthetics do show crystalline facets, but synthetic crystals grown by melt processes (Verneuil, Czochralski, Floating zone...) occur as single rounded cylindrical masses called 'boules' which do not look anything like a natural crystal.
However, let's note that such 'boule' can be cut into the shape of a natural looking crystal (with engraved striations to imitate natural growth markings), which is then glued into a natural or reconstituted matrix, or rounded to look like alluvial. Sometimes, to make the stone appear more natural, it is quench cracked so to produce natural-looking fractures in the stone (which fractures may also be filled with some ochre-colour dye or resin so the stone looks like naturally included).
26th Nov 2011 06:36 UTCAnonymous User
Is this cascaillou from GO?
26th Nov 2011 16:17 UTCcascaillou
just wanted to share the information I already posted there with the mindat community, as I thought that could be useful to mineral collectors too.
9th Feb 2015 15:10 UTCcascaillou
9th Feb 2015 18:12 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
For mineralogists in particular, the following may be helpful. Though indistinguishable in their chemistry and almost all of the essential crystal characteristics, synthetic crystals can show characteristics which are not found in the geologically formed material. There follow three such features, two of which are diagnostic for hydrothermally grown synthetic quartz
:
- All hydrothermally grown (and most other synthetic crystals) have a seed crystal (in the case of hydrothermal growth, a cut seed plate).This may or may not be present once the material has been cut, as cutting can be done in a way that destroys the seed. Note the minute two-phase, liquid and gas, inclusions in the seed plate. I have only seen such inclusions in the natural seed plate and do wonder if it is these that give rise to comment, sometimes read, that such two phase inclusions are to be found in synthetic hydrothermal quartz.
- Synthetically grown crystal can show forms that are not ever found in their geological counterparts.. The image below is a composite of stacked images, so everything in this approx 2cm thick hydrothermal crystal is in perfect focus. The top surface is almost perfectly planar, as is typical of some geological quartz growth. The interior of the crystal is perfectly clean, except for the seed plate that can be spotted if you look for it in this composite image. The image is taken between crossed polars with convergent and transmitted lighting; the mild interference colours (strain?) helping to emphasise the unusual and jagged stepped growth on the opposite side this crystal, a growth form only known in synthetic material. In the hand and without magnification, the effect is of a stippled surface (i.e. not transparent and hence imaged 'from behind'.
- Here, the crystal has been rotated by 90 degrees relative to the position above and (for sympathetic presentation only) by 180 degrees in the lateral plane. The crystal seems twinned,with one twin growing on each of the opposite sides the narrow seed plate. not edgewise on to the line of view. Directionally uneven (anisotrocic) crystal growth means that, in this position, one is looking into a 're-entrant' - a V shape - with the two crystal faces meeting at an obtuse angle. The whole has been kept in focus by utilising stacked images again. The purpose of this shot is to show the 'cobble-stone' appearance of the crystal growth on these faces, again a characteristic of synthetic growth not found in geological formation. Here also, the crystal is imaged in transmitted light between crossed polars with what I take to be fourth order interference colours resulting from mild strain in the crystal, beautifully accentuating this crystal form. Again these are thought to be unique to synthetically grown hydrothermal quartz. Note that the 'cobbling' is growing differently on the two twin faces presenting to the camera.
IMHO, those who would claim that synthetic crystals are without wonder and beauty, have crippled souls :-)
9th Feb 2015 18:29 UTCRob Woodside 🌟 Manager
9th Feb 2015 20:10 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
Give me a few days to work it out. I have never yet posted to the gallery since almost all my stones either have no known locality, geographical or otherwise (like these) or else the locality is 'dealer's word' only. Since the latter does not always get the mineral species right what hope for locality? This is not a gripe, by the way. Dealers are busy people and those I have dealings with do their best, I'm sure. But they can't be expected to check, in detail. every piece they trade.
Given time, I may add a few shots that give a 'normal' view of the whole crystal, lengthwise, in cross-section to show the re-entrants and also to show the termination(s) (broken where the support wires for the seed plate were chipped out and removed).
9th Feb 2015 20:51 UTCRob Woodside 🌟 Manager
10th Feb 2015 03:10 UTCcascaillou
10th Feb 2015 14:11 UTCRobert Rothenberg
Is there a place to upload photos of these?
Bob
10th Feb 2015 14:36 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
10th Feb 2015 15:00 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
A couple of half boules of Djeva flame fusion ruby; a specimen of Ramaura ruby; a nice elongate prismatic Chatham emerald that's rather too included to be cuttable and about ten small examples of Chatham sapphire in various colours.
Also cut example of quartz (blue, round brilliant and pretty), flame fusion ruby and sapphire and corundum in other colours, including a poor colour change. A YAG, a lithium niobate and a strontium titanate. I presently have my eye on a very good Gilson opal.
Always open for trades :-)
I also collect 'classic' fakes when I can find them, e.g. soude emerald, garnet-topped doublet and and a Slocum stone (so poor a fake it makes one want to retch). I haven't collected broken Heineken bottle glass sold as chrome tourmaline rough - but perhaps I really should add a one specimen :-))
It's a small collection, less that 50 pieces to date, all up. But it is growing slowly and has, for me, a very useful place on my overall collection of cut gemstones and broken and complete mineral crystals, .
10th Feb 2015 16:23 UTCcascaillou
21st Feb 2015 15:14 UTCAlexander Ringel
I completely agree Owen, synthetics are magnificient materials and I actually wonder if there are any collectors of synthetic crystals? Although it might not be easy to acquire nicely crystallized samples...
I collect synthetic compounds of different kinds (except water soluable, the air here is very humid and tends to destroy such). Slags, Alloys, Gemstones, Crystals of any kind, crystalllized and crystalline industrial byproducts and wastes of many kinds,.. i got about 100 synthetic specimens, but most of them are slags and industrial compunds.
Sadly most crystals of synthetic compounds are really hard to get. But luckily one of my favorite compunds, the silicon carbide, is quite easy to get. 10 of my 100 specimen are silicon carbide samples from some gram up to 1.4 kilogram (all are common industrial samples).
My rarest synthetic crystal is this one, a 2.5 gram flux grown bromellite:
If you speak german, i recommend to read the book "Kristallzüchtung" von 1993 von Klaus-Thomas Wilke ISBN-13: 978-3326000923
It contains all neccessary information about industrial and experimental growing of crystals (compounds and methods) and is really well written.
21st Feb 2015 16:10 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
Many thanks too for the book recommendation. My German has rusted away for lack of use for several decades but I can still get by reading it with the help of a good dictionary. To return that favour, you might like to read a copy of this, '50 Years Progress in Crystal Growth'. Published by Elsevier in 2004, it's a reprint collection of a very interesting papers by or about the the pioneers, other 'greats' and their work in the synthesis of inorganic crystals, The editor is R.S. Feigelson, Professor Emeritus, Materials Science at Stanford University. The papers cover early work, a 400 year Japanese perspective of crystal synthesis and global progress since 1952 (melt and solution growth, high pressure growth and thin film growth. Some 29 papers in all. This hard-bound work is available from http://store.elsevier.com/product.jsp? isbn=9780444516503 Though expensive it is well worth the money I think and is cheaper than the second-hand source I bought my copy from :-(
21st Feb 2015 17:10 UTCAlexander Ringel
http://www.amazon.de/Kristallz%C3%BCchtung-5921-490-Joachim-Bohm/dp/3326000928/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1424536763&sr=8-2&keywords=kristallz%C3%BCchtung
21st Feb 2015 17:37 UTCcascaillou
beautiful synthetic bromellite by the way!
I think the best way to get artificial crystals would be to ask directly laser crystals suppliers, here's a directory of such: http://www.rp-photonics.com/bg/buy_laser_crystals.html
There are also several online suppliers specializing in synthetic gemological rough, here is one: http://www.morioncompany.com/
21st Feb 2015 18:09 UTCAlexander Ringel
22nd Feb 2015 00:09 UTCcascaillou
22nd Feb 2015 01:10 UTCAlexander Ringel
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Kristallzuchtung-J-Bohm-K-Th-Wilke-9783326000923-/351299251719
22nd Feb 2015 04:00 UTCcascaillou
23rd Feb 2015 15:15 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
-------------------------------------------------------
> When you are already fascinated by the book, which
> you recomended, you really have to refresh your
> german. You get with the recomended book much more
> information for much less (25 bucks). Every at
> this time (about 1988) known kind of synthesis is
> described in detailled and really comfortable
> readable way and there is also described, which
> compounds with which result has been grown. There
> are also many photos and drawings in this book.
> Trust me, when you like the book you recomended
> and can read german, you really really must have
> this book.
>
> http://www.amazon.de/Kristallz%C3%BCchtung-5921-49
> 0-Joachim-Bohm/dp/3326000928/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qi
> d=1424536763&sr=8-2&keywords=kristallz%C3%BCchtung
Alex,
It's a wicked world we live in :-(
I logged on to Amazon.de and found it for EUR 19.80 plus shipping for a new copy and proceeded to buy it - only to have the process stopped by Amazon.de at the German supplier will not ship to any UK address!! So much for the 'single-market' of the European Union! If I had the time to waste, I would report this breach of the EU trade rules.
So I tried again through Amazon.uk - to find one offer only, second-hand from US dealer at about EUR 150 (+ shipping). If I PayPal to you EUR 35.00, would you order for me and post it on to me when you receive it? If you would be so kind as to do this for me, just PM me your e-mail address for the PayPal transfer to you and I'll e-mail you my postal address with notification of the PayPal transfer. And please enjoy a bier with any money left over :-)
23rd Feb 2015 21:28 UTCAlexander Ringel
23rd Feb 2015 22:13 UTCAlexander Ringel
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kristallzuchtung-J-Bohm-K-Th-Wilke-9783326000923-/351299251719
Have you?
24th Feb 2015 01:36 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
You are a scholar and a gentleman. Purchase just made for EUR 31.45, incl postage..
Many thanks :)-D
24th Feb 2015 12:04 UTCAlexander Ringel
I think you will really enjoy this book, as i do.
24th Feb 2015 17:08 UTCcascaillou
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd210/rawilus/DSC_6522.jpg
synthetic ruby grown by flame fusion process, which has been cut into the shape of natural-looking crystal and glued in a reconstituted matrix (made of rock powder mixed with resin).
http://pj.b5z.net/i/u/2102552/i/synthetic_rough.1.jpg
another synthetic flame fusion ruby, which was cut in the shape of a natural crystal, engraved with striations (note the dings and the dirt to make the stone look more genuine).
http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?blobcol=gfile&blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&blobkey=id&blobtable=GIA_MediaFile&blobwhere=1355967350747&ssbinary=true
synthetic ruby grown by flame fusion process, which has been cut into the shape of natural crystal and glued in marble matrix.
http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?blobcol=gfile&blobheader=image%2Fjpeg&blobkey=id&blobtable=GIA_MediaFile&blobwhere=1355996453374&ssbinary=true
synthetic ruby versus natural ruby composite stone (triplet), shaped to imitate rough: a slab of flame fusion synthetic ruby was sandwiched between to thin slices of natural ruby showing hexagonal growth figures, the whole assembly was then cut and rounded a bit to look like a rough piece, and the sides of the stone were engraved with striations.
9th Dec 2015 20:19 UTCcascaillou
https://www.mineral-forum.com/message-board/download.php?id=63727
ps: please note that the above specimen was produced only for experimental purpose.
10th Dec 2015 02:50 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
Here a natural Japan-law twin seed crystal was overgrown with synthetic quartz. The wire used to hang it in the autoclave is seen. Obviously no intent to deceive, so we can't call it a "fake", just an example of the crystal grower's art.
11th Dec 2015 15:22 UTCJamison K. Brizendine 🌟 Expert
This is a picture of the amethyst before the experiment to try and regrow the tips. The size before the experiment was 5 x 5 x 3.75 cm, I haven't measured the specimen overall after it being regrown.
12th Dec 2015 01:19 UTCcascaillou
12th Dec 2015 01:52 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
12th Dec 2015 02:25 UTCDoug Schonewald
12th Dec 2015 02:59 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
12th Dec 2015 13:35 UTCcascaillou
ps: list updated.
12th Dec 2015 22:20 UTCElise Skalwold
12th Dec 2015 23:11 UTCOwen Melfyn Lewis
21st Dec 2015 13:58 UTCJamison K. Brizendine 🌟 Expert
Owen, my label for this specimen is “Quartz Var. Amethyst and partially "repaired" by synthetic hydrothermal Quartz.”
3rd Dec 2018 18:20 UTCcascaillou
https://www.gemologyonline.com/Forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=21589
That's surrealistically YELLOW.
3rd Dec 2018 19:05 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
I've included links to diopside, titanite, monazite and even hafnon I've grown, but my favorite I wanted to post here in-line. It's zircon grown first in a V2O5 flux and then finished in Li2MoO4/MoO3 flux. The core is blue due to the incorporation of a small amount of V (presumably V4+ in for Si4+) from the first flux, and then a few of those crystals were recovered to act as seeds for the colorless overgrowths grown in the latter flux. These zoned crystals would obviously make terrible standards but were still fun to grow, and were probably only successful because zircon is so chemically resistant that even several days immersed in a 1200° C molten flux couldn't fully resorb the original blue crystals.
monazite with all the naturally-occurring REE except Pr (for analytical reasons): https://www.mindat.org/photo-577758.html
titanite doped with Cr and Nb: https://www.mindat.org/photo-577755.html
hafnon: https://www.mindat.org/photo-577752.html
diopside gown in molten borax: https://www.mindat.org/photo-577751.html
3rd Dec 2018 20:18 UTCcascaillou
What's the scale graduation for those pictures, millimeters or centimeters?
3rd Dec 2018 20:45 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
3rd Dec 2018 22:57 UTCcascaillou
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