Help mindat.org|Log In|Register|
Home PageMindat NewsThe Mindat ManualHistory of MindatCopyright StatusManagement TeamContact UsAdvertise on Mindat
Donate to MindatSponsor a PageSponsored PagesTop Available PagesMindat AdvertisersAdvertise on Mindat
Minerals by PropertiesMinerals by ChemistryAdvanced Locality SearchRandom MineralSearch by minIDLocalities Near MeSearch ArticlesSearch GlossaryMore Search Options
Search For:
Mineral Name:
Locality Name:
Keyword(s):
 
The Mindat ManualAdd a New PhotoRate PhotosLocality Edit ReportCoordinate Completion ReportAdd Glossary Item
StatisticsThe ElementsMember ListBooks & MagazinesMineral Shows & EventsThe Mindat DirectoryHow to Link to MindatDevice Settings
Photo SearchPhoto GalleriesNew Photos TodayNew Photos YesterdayMembers' Photo GalleriesPast Photo of the Day Gallery
bannerbannerbannerbannerbannerbanner

POTD: Cinnabar crystal shape

Posted by Herwig Pelckmans  
avatar
Herwig Pelckmans October 10, 2017 12:18PM
Dear all,

Looking at the POTD,
https://www.mindat.org/photo-816500.html

I have a hard time figuring out how this can be a trigonal crystal ... sure looks more like orthorhombic to me!
But then looks can be deceiving ...

Cheers, Herwig
MKA (Belgium)
avatar
Alfredo Petrov October 10, 2017 12:46PM
I have a flattened "pseudo-cubic" quartz crystal that looks exactly that same shape, so if it's possible for quartz, it must be possible for cinnabar too. But yes, you're right, it is unusual.
avatar
Harold Moritz October 10, 2017 03:04PM
Keep in mind that while there is only one cube form (with Miller indices {100} and exactly 90-degree angles between faces), there are many rhombohedral forms possible with different Miller indices and interfacial angles (just peruse the crystal drawings of calcite, for example). In theory a form just skewed off of a cube form by only a degree is a rhombohedron but to the casual eye it will look like a cube, as some calcites do (see drawing no. 8 https://www.mindat.org/min-859.html). Then throw in natural distortion and photo perspective and you can get the result in the POTD. But measure the interfacial angles and they will always be correct for the form. Nature is both messy and reliable, but therein lies the fun.
avatar
Steve Hardinger October 10, 2017 04:20PM
It's about time that gypsum gets the respect it deserves with a POTD. Oh and the cinnabar is nice too.
avatar
Herwig Pelckmans October 12, 2017 11:40AM
Dear Harold,

I agree, you are absolutely right about there being many different rhombohedral forms.
I have no problem "seeing a rhombohedron instead of a cube in the photo", so to speak.

What bothers me is the 2 small crystal faces that modify that rhombohedron.
They are oposite of each other and "at the same side of the upper rhombohedral plane".
That does not indicate a trigonal symmetry ...

Cheers, Herwig
MKA (Belgium)
avatar
Erik Vercammen October 12, 2017 12:38PM
The "upper" small face may be a pinacoid, and the large triangular face may be part of a prism. In that case, there should (in case all faces are equally developed, what is rare) triangular faces on the far left and the far right corners of the crystal.
avatar
Johan Kjellman October 12, 2017 02:46PM
Erik may have a point, alternatively the large triangular face is the pinacoid (perspective distorts then the symmetry of the triangular axis) and the surrounding faces comprise the three upper rhombohedra, two of them being not fully develloped, inhibited by the substrate mineral.

cheers
avatar
Harold Moritz October 12, 2017 02:59PM
Hello Herwig:
Yes, I did notice the triangular faces cutting off the two corners and thought about them cuz they are apparently "unsymettrical". Erik beat me to it! And Johan snuck in a good comment, too, while I was writing this one.
If one of the triangular faces is a pinacoid, then it should be repeated only on the opposite side diagonally through the crystal (the bottom side attached to the gypsum), rather than on the same side where the other triangular face is. Calcite drawing 16 shows this combination of forms. So I dont think that is it, unless this crystal is twinned, but I dont see other evidence of that. I dont think cinnabar follows the same twin laws as calcite.
Calcite drawing 59 shows a hexagonal prism intersecting the rhomb, in which case there are 3 triangular faces rather than 2 on the same side of the rhomb. In line with Erik, I think this particular crystal is just showing unequal development of the faces of a prism form, considering that two of the faces have different sizes and so the third face is just missing (messy Nature again). To know for sure, of course, measurements are needed, otherwise we can speculate forever.
Endless fun with crystal forms!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/12/2017 03:07PM by Harold Moritz.
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login



bannerbannerbannerbannerbannerbanner
Mineral and/or Locality  
Mindat.org is an outreach project of the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization.
Copyright © mindat.org and the Hudson Institute of Mineralogy 1993-2017, except where stated. Mindat.org relies on the contributions of thousands of members and supporters.
Privacy Policy - Terms & Conditions - Contact Us Current server date and time: October 22, 2017 07:10:57
Go to top of page