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Improving Mindat.orgKola peninsula

5th Sep 2017 09:45 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Our recent Mindat trip to the Kola peninsula gave us a lot of information and photos that will help significantly update our information on this region.

Firstly, the whole name 'Kola peninsula' is heavily misused by mineral collectors, frequently to cover the whole of the Murmanskaya Oblast' (which was also mis-transliterated to 'kaja rather than the correct 'kaya - this has also been fixed)

This map, I have had confirmed by Russian friends, shows the correct boundaries of the region regarded as the Kola peninsula

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Kola_peninsula.png

Consequently, many sites previously listed as part of 'Kola' and their minerals, in particular the Kovdor deposit, have now been removed.

The Kola peninsula is now a 'non-hierarchical locality' (which means that the name does not appear within the actual locality strings) - see:

https://www.mindat.org/loc-2666.html

If you want a page that contains everything the previous 'kola peninsula' page listed, then please use this one:

https://www.mindat.org/loc-17857.html

More updates will continue...

6th Sep 2017 14:41 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

This (+ sublocs) seems to be a relic:

https://www.mindat.org/loc-210859.html

6th Sep 2017 15:04 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

There seems to be quite a lot of that area that needs to get reorganized.

6th Sep 2017 15:12 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

I have help in doing just that now!

6th Sep 2017 15:26 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Be careful how it is done or there may be a whole bunch of automatically generated localities.

6th Sep 2017 15:42 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

Are we need in Kola penisula category at all, having Murmanskaya oblst'?

6th Sep 2017 15:50 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Not really, that's why I've taken it out of the hierarchy.

6th Sep 2017 15:53 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Pavel (and anyone else with an opinion)

Do we really need the economic district level in Russia above the oblast'?

Eg:

https://www.mindat.org/loc-18516.html

To me these seem an unnecessary level.

6th Sep 2017 20:49 UTCAlexandra Ostroverkhova Expert

Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:

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> To me these seem an unnecessary level.

Just my humble opinion:

I think so. It's really extra information. Oblasts, Krai, Republic - as analogs of states - would be enough.

6th Sep 2017 22:39 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

If anyone wants to keep them, please say so now and explain why.

Otherwise they go.

6th Sep 2017 22:52 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

I don't see logical reasoins to use economical regions here. And even administrative divisions in some cases.

Simple geographic regions (for example "Russian North" or "Mountains of Southern Siberia") are more informative from my point of view.

By the way, boundary of Kola peninsula was the same as Murmanskaya oblast' before 1956, when Polar Karelia was included into it. So boundary at your map is wrong. Particularly Monche-tundra is real part of Kola from geographic and geologic points of view.

In any case, we shouldn't to do sharp movements right now.

Division of Kola along straight line from sea to sea is similar to division of Indostan by straight line from sea to sea. This don't works, or works in quite different way.

6th Sep 2017 23:12 UTCChester S. Lemanski, Jr.

The economic regions were added since virtually everything was labeled "Siberia" since the USSR days. The eastern Siberia and western Siberia as well as the far East region were the most significant in that regard. If the majority feels that we have that old problem under control, then they can go.

Chet

6th Sep 2017 23:38 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

> Particularly Monche-tundra is real part of Kola from geographic and geologic points of view.

Do you have any "official" reference or map that shows the boundaries?

We may have two different things which need different pages

"Kola peninsula" - the geographic region for the peninsula alone

"Kola Alkaline Province" - that would include the alkaline intrusive province reaching into Finland.

7th Sep 2017 00:48 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

I still don't understand why do you want to create these new subdivisions.

"Kola alkaline Province" will includes set of very different in age and composition massifs from ultrabasic (Afrikanda, Turii Mys) and carbonatitic (Sakharjok), through syenitic and nepheline-syenitic (Khibiny-Lovozero) to alkaline granitic (W. Keivy, Belye Tundry). Its mineral list will be jar of worms useful for nobody.

7th Sep 2017 07:36 UTCUwe Ludwig

My extraneous opinion to this thread as follows: We are collectors of minerals and not of stamps. Therefore for us it should be important to consider only geological regions and not political regions. We must not consider borders which divide geological sites. What would we do if in the ancient times the peoples had set the state border across the Chibiny massive?

Rgds.

Uwe Ludwig

16th Sep 2017 13:45 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

Uwe,

as a geologist i do sympathise but the reality is that most people are very attached to their state and country and will usually prefer the minerals that occur on their side of the border.

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