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Prof. Paul Ramdohr
Grey, bluish black
Specific Gravity:
Crystal System:
For mineralogist Paul Ramdohr (1890-1985), University of Heidelberg, Germany.
Type locality ramdohrite has a significant Cd component (Moelo et al., 1989), and is compositionally close to fizelyite, but it is not known if there is a solid solution (a Cd-rich fizelyite ?), or a miscibility gap.

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Classification of RamdohriteHide

Approved, 'Grandfathered' (first described prior to 1959)

2 : SULFIDES and SULFOSALTS (sulfides, selenides, tellurides; arsenides, antimonides, bismuthides; sulfarsenites, sulfantimonites, sulfbismuthites, etc.)
J : Sulfosalts of PbS archetype
B : Galena derivatives, with Pb

4 : ø = 3

5 : Sulphosalts - Sulpharsenites and Sulphobismuthites (those containing Sn, Ge,or V are in Section 6)
7 : Sulpharsenites etc. of Pb and other metals

Physical Properties of RamdohriteHide

Grey, bluish black
Black, grey
5.43 g/cm3 (Measured)    

Optical Data of RamdohriteHide

Colour in reflected light:
Very weak.

Chemical Properties of RamdohriteHide

IMA Formula:
Idealised Formula:
Common Impurities:

Crystallography of RamdohriteHide

Crystal System:
Class (H-M):
2/m - Prismatic
Cell Parameters:
a = 8.7348(3) Å, b = 13.0543(4) Å, c = 19.3117(6) Å
β = 90.179(2)°
a:b:c = 0.669 : 1 : 1.479
Unit Cell V:
2,202.04 ų (Calculated from Unit Cell)
Lamellar on (010).
Space group P21/n. Originally given cell: a = 13.09, b = 19.24, c = 8.73 A, beta = 90.3°.

X-Ray Powder DiffractionHide

Powder Diffraction Data:
3.82 (20)
3.48 (30)
3.32 (100)
3.04 (30)
2.94 (60)
2.78 (50)
2.21 (50)

Type Occurrence of RamdohriteHide

Other Language Names for RamdohriteHide

Simplified Chinese:辉锑银铅矿

Varieties of RamdohriteHide

Relationship of Ramdohrite to other SpeciesHide

Other Members of this group:
Andorite IVPb18Ag15Sb47S96Mon. 2 : P2
Andorite VIAgPbSb3S6Orth. mm2 : Pmn21
AndreadiniiteCuHgAg7Pb7Sb24S48Mon. 2/m : P21/b
ArsenquatrandoriteAg17.6Pb12.8Sb38.1As11.5S96Mon. 2/m : P21/b
AschamalmitePb6Bi2S9Mon. 2/m
FizélyiteAg5Pb14Sb21S48 Mon. 2/m
GustaviteAgPbBi3S6Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
HeyrovskýitePb6Bi2S9Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Cccm
JasrouxiteAg16Pb4(Sb24As16)S72Tric. 1 : P1
LillianitePb3-2xAgxBi2+xS6Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
SchirmeritePbAgBi3S6 - Pb3Ag1.5Bi3.5S9Orth.
UchucchacuaiteAgMnPb3Sb5S12Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pmmm
UstarasitePb(Bi,Sb)6S10 (?)
VikingiteAg5Pb8Bi13S30Mon. 2/m : B2/m
Structurally related to group(s):

Common AssociatesHide

Associated Minerals Based on Photo Data:
Pyrite1 photo of Ramdohrite associated with Pyrite on

Related Minerals - Nickel-Strunz GroupingHide

2.JB.Andorite VIAgPbSb3S6Orth. mm2 : Pmn21
2.JB.05DiaphoriteAg3Pb2Sb3S8Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.JB.10CosalitePb2Bi2S5Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
2.JB.15FreieslebeniteAgPbSbS3Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.JB.15MarriteAgPbAsS3Mon. 2/m : P21/b
2.JB.20CannizzaritePb4Bi6S13Mon. 2/m : P21/m
2.JB.25aJunoiteCu2Pb3Bi8(S,Se)16Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.25dProuditeCuPb7.5Bi9.33(S,Se)22Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.25bFelbertaliteCu2Pb6Bi8S19Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.25jRouxeliteCu2HgPb23Sb27S65.5Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.25fÁngelaiteCu2AgPbBiS4Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pnma
2.JB.25iCuproneyiteCu7Pb27Bi25S68Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.30aGeocronitePb14(Sb,As)6S23Mon. 2/m : P21/m
2.JB.30aJordanitePb14(As,Sb)6S23Mon. 2/m : P21/m
2.JB.35cPillaitePb9Sb10S23ClO0.5Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.35aZinkenitePb9Sb22S42Hex. 6 : P63
2.JB.35bScainiitePb14Sb30S54O5Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.35dPellouxite(Cu,Ag)Pb10Sb12S27O(Cl,S)0.6Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.35fTubuliteAg2Pb22Sb20S53 Mon. m : Pb
2.JB.35eChovanitePb15-2xSb14+2xS36Ox (x ~ 0.2)Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.40bAschamalmitePb6Bi2S9Mon. 2/m
2.JB.40aBursaitePb5Bi4S11 (?)Orth.
2.JB.40aFizélyiteAg5Pb14Sb21S48 Mon. 2/m
2.JB.40aGustaviteAgPbBi3S6Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
2.JB.40aLillianitePb3-2xAgxBi2+xS6Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
2.JB.40dSchirmeritePbAgBi3S6 - Pb3Ag1.5Bi3.5S9Orth.
2.JB.40aUchucchacuaiteAgMnPb3Sb5S12Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pmmm
2.JB.40eUstarasitePb(Bi,Sb)6S10 (?)
2.JB.40aVikingiteAg5Pb8Bi13S30Mon. 2/m : B2/m
2.JB.40bHeyrovskýitePb6Bi2S9Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Cccm
2.JB.40aAndorite IVPb18Ag15Sb47S96Mon. 2 : P2
2.JB.55GratonitePb9As4S15Trig. 3m : R3m
2.JB.60MarrucciiteHg3Pb16Sb18S46Mon. 2/m : B2/m

Related Minerals - Dana Grouping (8th Ed.)Hide mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) (?)Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : PmmmélyiteAg5Pb14Sb21S48 Mon. 2/m

Related Minerals - Hey's Chemical Index of Minerals GroupingHide

5.7.1SeligmannitePbCuAsS3Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pmmn
5.7.2BournonitePbCuSbS3Orth. mm2 : Pmn21
5.7.3MeneghinitePb13CuSb7S24Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
5.7.4GladitePbCuBi5S9Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
5.7.5LindströmitePb3Cu3Bi7S15Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
5.7.8FriedrichitePb5Cu5Bi7S18Orth. mm2
5.7.9AikinitePbCuBiS3Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pnma
5.7.11JaskólskiiteCuxPb2+x(Sb,Bi)2-xS5 (x ~ 0.15)Orth.
5.7.12TintinaitePb22Cu4(Sb,Bi)30S69Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pnnm
5.7.13KobellitePb22Cu4(Bi,Sb)30S69Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pnnm
5.7.14ProuditeCuPb7.5Bi9.33(S,Se)22Mon. 2/m : B2/m
5.7.19Eclarite(Cu,Fe)Pb9Bi12S28Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pnma
5.7.20MarriteAgPbAsS3Mon. 2/m : P21/b
5.7.21ArgentobaumhaueriteAg1.5Pb22As33.5S72Tric. 1 : P1
5.7.22AndoriteAgPbSb3S6Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
5.7.27FizélyiteAg5Pb14Sb21S48 Mon. 2/m
5.7.28OwyheeiteAg3+xPb10-2xSb11+xS28, -0.13 < x > +0.20Mon. 2/m : P21/b
5.7.29FreieslebeniteAgPbSbS3Mon. 2/m : P21/b
5.7.30DiaphoriteAg3Pb2Sb3S8Mon. 2/m : P21/b
5.7.31SterryiteCu(Ag,Cu)3Pb19(Sb,As)22(As-As)S56Mon. 2/m
5.7.32VikingiteAg5Pb8Bi13S30Mon. 2/m : B2/m
5.7.34SchirmeritePbAgBi3S6 - Pb3Ag1.5Bi3.5S9Orth.
5.7.36GustaviteAgPbBi3S6Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m)
5.7.39BenjaminiteAg3Bi7S12Mon. 2/m : B2/m
5.7.40Lengenbachite Ag4Cu2Pb18As12S39Tric.
5.7.41BerryiteCu3Ag2Pb3Bi7S16Mon. 2/m : P21/m
5.7.44CupropavoniteCu0.9Ag0.5Pb0.6Bi2.5S5 Mon. 2/m : B2/m
5.7.47RathiteAg2Pb12-xTlx/2As18+x/2S40Mon. 2/m : P21/b
5.7.48HatchiteAgTlPbAs2S5Tric. 1 : P1

Other InformationHide

Health Risks:
No information on health risks for this material has been entered into the database. You should always treat mineral specimens with care.

References for RamdohriteHide

Reference List:
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Ahlfeld (1930), Centralblatt für Mineralogie: 365.
American Mineralogist (1931): 16: 132.
Palache, Charles, Harry Berman & Clifford Frondel (1944), The System of Mineralogy of James Dwight Dana and Edward Salisbury Dana Yale University 1837-1892, Volume I: Elements, Sulfides, Sulfosalts, Oxides. John Wiley and Sons, Inc., New York. 7th edition, revised and enlarged: 450-451.
American Mineralogist (1954): 39: 161-171.
American Mineralogist (1984): 69: 412.
American Mineralogist (1985): 70: 219-220.
Moelo, Y et al. (1989): Sulfures complexes plombo-argentiferes: mineralogie et cristallochemie de la serie andorite-fizelyite, (Pb,Mn,Fe,Cd,Sn)3-2x(Ag,Cu)2(Sb,Bi,As)2+x(S,Se)6. Documents du BRGM, 167, BRGM ed., Orleans, 107p.
American Mineralogist (1991): 76: 2020.
Neues Jahrbuch für Mineralogie, Abhandlungen: 147: 58-79.
Yang, H., Downs, R.T., Burt, J.B., Costin, G. (2009): Structure refinement of an untwinned single crystal of Ag-excess fizélyite, Ag5.94Pb13.74Sb20.84S48. The Canadian Mineralogist, 47, 1257-1264.
Nespolo, M., Ozawa, T., Kawasaki, Y., Sugiyama, K. (2012): Structural relations and pseudosymmetries in the andorite homologous series. Journal of Mineralogical and Petrological Sciences 107, 226-243.
Makovicky, E., Mumme, W.G., Gable, R.W. (2013): The crystal structure of ramdohrite, Pb5.9Fe0.1Mn0.1In0.1Cd0.2Ag2.8Sb10.8S24: a new refinement. American Mineralogist, 98, 773-779.

Internet Links for RamdohriteHide

Localities for RamdohriteHide

This map shows a selection of localities that have latitude and longitude coordinates recorded. Click on the symbol to view information about a locality. The symbol next to localities in the list can be used to jump to that position on the map.

Locality ListHide

- This locality has map coordinates listed. - This locality has estimated coordinates. ⓘ - Click for further information on this occurrence. ? - Indicates mineral may be doubtful at this locality. - Good crystals or important locality for species. - World class for species or very significant. (TL) - Type Locality for a valid mineral species. (FRL) - First Recorded Locality for everything else (eg varieties). Struck out - Mineral was erroneously reported from this locality. Faded * - Never found at this locality but inferred to have existed at some point in the past (eg from pseudomorphs.)

All localities listed without proper references should be considered as questionable.
  • Jujuy
    • Rinconada Department
Brodtkorb, "Las Especies Minerales de la Republica Argentina" (2002); DE BRODTKORB, Milka K. Precious metaltellurides and other Te-bearing minerals in different paragenesis of Argentina: A review. Rev. Asoc. Geol. Argent. [online]. 2009, vol.64, n.3, pp. 365-372.
Amer.Min.(2000) 85, 1066-1075
  • Oruro Department
    • Cercado Province
      • Oruro City
Keutsch, F. & Brodtkorb, M. (2007) Metalliferous parageneses of the San Jose mine. Journal of South American Earth Sciences, 26, 485-491.; Keutsch, F., & Brodtkorb, M. D. (2008). Metalliferous paragenesis of the San José mine, Oruro, Bolivia. Journal of South American Earth Sciences, 25(4), 485-491.
  • Potosí Department
    • Antonio Quijarro Province
      • Agua de Castilla
        • Porco
Kempff, O., Paar, W.H., Tawackoli, S.: "Minerales de Bolivia", 115pp (La Paz, 2009)
    • Sud Chichas Province
      • Atocha-Quechisla District
        • Chocaya-Animas (Animas-Chocaya)
Knut Eldjarn collection
Mineralogical Record 32: 461; Makovicky, E., Mumme, W.G., Gable, R.W. (2013): The crystal structure of ramdohrite, Pb5.9Fe0.1Mn0.1In0.1Cd0.2Ag2.8Sb10.8S24: a new refinement. American Mineralogist, 98, 773-779.
collections of Alfredo Petrov & Jaroslav Hyrsl.
Federico Ahlfeld y Alejandro Schneider-Scherbina (1964) Los Yacimientos Minerales y de Hidrocarburos de Bolivia. (Ministerio de Minas y Petroleo, La Paz)
[MinRec 32:480
  • Kardzhali Oblast (Kurdzhali; Kărdžali; Kurdjali)
    • Momchilgrad Obshtina
Strashimirov, S., Dobrev, S., Stemenov, S., & Dragiev, H. (2005). Silver-bearing minerals from the ore body “North” in Sedefche epithermal Au-Ag deposit (eastern Rhodopes). Annual of the University of Mining and Geology “St. Ivan Rilski, 48, 143-148.
  • Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region
    • Hechi Prefecture
      • Nandan Co.
        • Dachang Sn-polymetallic ore field
Mineral Deposits 4(1), 74
    • Nanning Prefecture
      • Long'an Co.
Anthony, J.W. et al.: Handbook of Mineralogy
  • Hunan Province
    • Chenzhou Prefecture
      • Yizhang Co.
        • Yaogangxian W-Sn ore field
Bosheng Zhou, Guohua Zhang, Shuqing Gong, and Yousheng Zeng (2002): Geophysical & Geochemical Exploration 26(6), 436-438
  • Jiangxi Province
    • Shangrao Prefecture
      • Wannian Co.
Dong Zhensheng et al. (1996). In: Tu Guangzhi, Ed.: Low Temperature Geochemistry, Science Press (Beijing), 32-42
  • Sichuan Province
    • Garzê Autonomous Prefecture (Ganzi Autonomous Prefecture)
      • Baiyu Co.
Xiaoming Qu, Qiling Zhang, Zengqian Hou, Yuanping Xu, and Jinzhong Li (2001): Mineral Deposits 20(3), 199-207
      • Garzê Co. (Ganzi Co.)
Gui He and Xipeng Hu (2009): Acta Geologica Sichuan 30(4), 409-411
  • Yunnan Province
    • Honghe Autonomous Prefecture
      • Mengzi Co.
Xinpei Jiang (1994): Acta Petrologica et Mineralogica 13(5), 278-284; Xueming Chen, Zong Lin, and Fuchang Xie (1998): Scientia Geologica Sinica 33(1), 115-124
  • Southwestern Finland Region
    • Salo
      • Kisko
Geological Survey of Finland Metsämonttu - ZINC Database
  • Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes
    • Haute-Loire
      • Langeac
        • Marsanges
Y. Moëlo, E. Makovicky and S. Karup-Moller : "Sulfures complexes plombo-argentifères : minéralogie et cristallochimie de la série andorite-fizelyite", Documents du BRGM N° 167, 1989.
  • Grand Est
    • Bas-Rhin
      • Villé Valley
Wittern, Journée (1997): "Mineralien finden in den Vogesen", von Loga (Cologne), pp. 36-37.
  • Pays de la Loire
    • Vendée
      • Les Herbiers
Y. Moëlo, E. Makovicky and S. Karup-Moller : "Sulfures complexes plombo-argentifères : minéralogie et cristallochimie de la série andorite-fizelyite", Documents du BRGM N° 167, 1989.
  • Attikí Prefecture (Attica; Attika)
    • Lavrion District (Laurion; Laurium)
      • Lavrion District Mines
Voudouris, P., Melfos, V, Spry, P.G., Bonsall, T.A., Tarkian, M. & Solomon, Ch. (2008): Carbonate-replacement Pb-Zn-Ag+/-Au mineralization in the Kamariza area, Lavrion, Greece: Mineralogy and thermochemical conditions of formation. Mineralogy & Petrology 94, 85-106. [p. 90, 93]
  • Rajasthan (Rajputana)
    • Ajmer Division
      • Bhilwara District
Holler, W. & Gandhi, S.M. (1995) Silver-bearing sulfosalts from the metamorphosed Rampura Agucha Zn-Pb-(Ag) deposit, Rajasthan, India. Canadian Mineralogist, 33, 1047-1057.
  • Hokkaido
    • Shiribeshi Province
      • Shakotan peninsula
        • Furubira
AMNH specimen
  • Mexico
    • Mun. de Temascaltepec
      • Temascaltepec de González (Temascaltepec)
Camprubi, A., Canals, A., Cardellach, E., Prol-Ledesma, R.M., Rivera, R., 2001, The La Guitarra Ag-Au low-sulfidation epithermal deposit, Temascaltepec district, Mexico: vein structure, mineralogy, and sulfide-sulfosalt chemistry. Society of Economic Geologists Special Publication, v. 8, p. 133-158.
  • Nordland
    • Rana
Nigel J. Cook, pers com. to Knut Edvard Larsen 25.01.2001
Republic of Macedonia
  • Kavadarci
    • Rožden (Rozhden; Roszdan)
Boev, B., Stojanov, R., Denkovski, G. (1993): Geology of Alshar polymetallic deposit, Macedonia. Geol. Maced., 7, 35-39.
  • Maramureș Co.
    • Baia Mare (Nagybánya)
      • Chiuzbaia (Kisbánya)
Papp, Gábor, Alan J. Criddle, Chris J. Stanley, László Kriston and Géza Nagy (2007): Parajamesonite revisited: background of the discreditation of an enigmatic mineral species. Swiss Journal of Geosciences, 100, 495-502.
  • Eastern-Siberian Region
    • Sakha Republic (Saha Republic; Yakutia)
      • Indigirka River Basin
        • Ust'-Nera
American Mineralogist, Volume 79, pages 763-767, 1994
      • Verkhoyansk Fold Belt
        • Verkhoyansk Silver Province
Seltmann, R., Soloviev, S., Shatov, V., Pirajno, F., Naumov, E., & Cherkasov, S. (2010). Metallogeny of Siberia: tectonic, geologic and metallogenic settings of selected significant deposits*. Australian Journal of Earth Sciences, 57(6), 655-706; Gamyanin, G. N., Anikina, E. Y., Bortnikov, N. S., Alpatov, V. V., Borisenko, A. S., & Nosik, L. P. (1998). The Prognoz silver-polymetallic deposit, Sakha: Mineralogy, geochemistry, and origin. GEOLOGY OF ORE DEPOSITS C/C OF GEOLOGIIA RUDNYKH MESTOROZHDENII, 40, 391-407.
  • Banská Bystrica Region
    • Revúca Co.
      • Chyžné
Bálintová T., Števko M., Ozdín D., 2006: Sulphosalts of lillianite homologous series from Chyžné occurrence (Slovakia). Miner. Polonica-Special Papers, vol. 28. p.19- 21
    • Žiar nad Hronom Co.
Martin Števko-unpublished, EMPA-WDS confirmed
  • Prešov Region
    • Prešov Co.
Duda et. all.,1981:Minerály severnej časti Slanských vrchov. Min.Slovca,Monografia 2,Bratislava, 98 p
  • California
    • Inyo Co.
      • Bishop District (Tungsten Hills District)
        • West Bishop
Bateman, Paul C. (1965), Geology and tungsten mineralization of the Bishop district, California: USGS PP 470: 130; Pemberton, H. Earl (1983), Minerals of California; Van Nostrand Reinholt Press: 139, 333.
  • Michigan
    • Menominee Co.
Quigley, Tom, and Mahin, Bob, 2008, Back Forty Geology and Mineralization: Proceedings of the Institute on Lake Superior Geology, v. 54, Part 2 - Field Trip Guidebook, 66-85.
  • Washington
    • King Co.
      • North Bend
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