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Ferro-ferri-obertiite

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Roberta Oberti
Formula:
NaNa2(Fe2+3Fe3+Ti)Si8O22O2
Ferro-ferri-obertiite is a obertiite root name amphibole in the WO2- dominant amphibole group with Fe2+ as the dominant element in the C2+ position and Fe3+ as the dominant element in the C3+ position.
Colour:
Black
Lustre:
Vitreous
Hardness:
6
Specific Gravity:
3.330 (Calculated)
Crystal System:
Monoclinic
Name:
This mineral (IMA 2009-034) was originally named ferro-obertiite (Hawthorne et.al 2010). It was redefined in the 2012 amphibole nomenclature, and is now named ferro-ferri-obertiite. The root name is for Roberta Oberti, professor at the University of Pavia, Italy, and an expert on the crystal chemisry of amphiboles.
This page provides mineralogical data about Ferro-ferri-obertiite.


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Classification of Ferro-ferri-obertiiteHide

IMA status:
Approved
Approval Year:
2009
Nickel-Strunz 10th (pending) ed.:
9.DE.25

9 : SILICATES (Germanates)
D : Inosilicates
E : Inosilicates with 2-periodic double chains, Si4O11; Clinoamphiboles
Dana 8th ed.:
66.4.9.3

66 : INOSILICATES Double-Width,Unbranched Chains,(W=2)
4 : Amphiboles - Na subgroup

Physical Properties of Ferro-ferri-obertiiteHide

Lustre:
Vitreous
Colour:
Black
Streak:
Grey
Hardness:
6 on Mohs scale
Hardness Data:
Measured
Cleavage:
Perfect
{110}
Parting:
Brittle
Fracture:
Splintery
Density:
3.330 g/cm3 (Calculated)

Chemical Properties of Ferro-ferri-obertiiteHide

Formula:
NaNa2(Fe2+3Fe3+Ti)Si8O22O2

Ferro-ferri-obertiite is a obertiite root name amphibole in the WO2- dominant amphibole group with Fe2+ as the dominant element in the C2+ position and Fe3+ as the dominant element in the C3+ position.
IMA Formula:
NaNa2(Fe2+3Fe3+Ti)Si8O22O2
Elements listed:
Fe, Na, O, Si, Ti - search for minerals with similar chemistry

Crystallography of Ferro-ferri-obertiiteHide

Crystal System:
Monoclinic
Class (H-M):
2/m - Prismatic
Space Group:
B2/m
Cell Parameters:
a = 9.845(4) Å, b = 18.018(8) Å, c = 5.296(3) Å
β = 103.86(3)°
Ratio:
a:b:c = 0.546 : 1 : 0.294
Unit Cell V:
912.09 ų (Calculated from Unit Cell)

X-Ray Powder DiffractionHide

Powder Diffraction Data:
d-spacingIntensity
8.515 (80)
4.514 (20)
3.407 (60)
3.144 (50)
2.722 (100)
2.596 (50)
2.533 (40)
2.178 (30)

Type Occurrence of Ferro-ferri-obertiiteHide

Type Locality:
ⓘ Coyote Peak, Coastal Range, Humboldt Co., California, USA
General Appearance of Type Material:
Ferro-obertiite occurs as euhedral to subhedral prismatic to acicular crystals up to 1.25 mm across in a matrix of aegirine and feldspar
Place of Conservation of Type Material:
Department of Natural History, Royal Ontario Museum, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, specimen number M54035.
Geological Setting of Type Material:
Ferro-ferri-obertiite occurs in an alkali diatreme that penetrates a lithic-wacke sandstone sequence of the Franciscan assemblage.

Synonyms of Ferro-ferri-obertiiteHide

Relationship of Ferro-ferri-obertiite to other SpeciesHide

Member of:
Obertiite Root Name Group > w(O)-dominant Amphibole Group > Amphibole Supergroup
Other Members of this group:
Ferri-obertiiteNa(Na2)(Mg3Fe3+Ti)(Si8O22)O2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
Mangani-obertiiteNa(Na2)(Mg3Mn3+Ti)(Si8O22)O2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
Unnamed (possible K-analogue of Ferri-obertiite)KNa2[(Mg,Fe,Na)3Fe3+(Ti,Fe)]Si8O22(O,F)2

Related Minerals - Nickel-Strunz GroupingHide

9.DE.Clino-suenoite□{Mn2+2}{Mg5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.05Anthophyllite☐{Mg2}{Mg5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Orth. mmm (2/m 2/m 2/m) : Pnma
9.DE.05Cummingtonite☐{Mg2}{Mg5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.05Clino-holmquistite Root Name☐{Li2}{Z2+3Z3+2}(Si8O22)(OH,F,Cl)2Mon.
9.DE.05Grunerite☐{Fe2+2}{Fe2+5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.05Permanganogrunerite☐{Mn2+2}{Mn2+5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.05Ferro-fluoro-pedrizite{Na}{Li2}{Fe2Al2Li}(Al2Si6O22)F2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.05Ferri-fluoro-leakeite{Na}{Na2}{Mg2Fe3+2Li}(Si8O22)F2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.10Actinolite☐{Ca2}{Mg4.5-2.5Fe0.5-2.5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.10Ferri-tschermakite☐{Ca2}{Mg3Fe3+2}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.10Ferro-actinolite☐{Ca2}{Fe2+5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.10Ferro-hornblende☐{Ca2}{Fe2+4Al}(AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.10Ferro-tschermakite☐{Ca2}{Fe2+3Al2}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.10Joesmithite{Pb}{Ca2}{Mg3Fe3+2}(Be2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.10Magnesio-hornblende☐{Ca2}{Mg4Al}(AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.10Tremolite☐{Ca2}{Mg5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.10Tschermakite☐(Ca2)(Mg3Al2)(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.10CannilloiteCa(Ca2)(Mg4Al)(Al3Si5O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.10Fluoro-cannilloite{Ca}{Ca2}{Mg4Al}(Al3Si5O22)(F,OH)2Mon.
9.DE.10Parvo-manganotremolite☐{CaMn2+}{Mg5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.10Fluoro-tremolite☐{Ca2}{Mg5}(Si8O22)F2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.10Potassic-fluoro-pargasite{K}{Ca2}{Mg4Al}(Al2Si6O22)F2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.15Edenite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg5}(AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Ferro-edenite{Na}{Ca2}{Fe2+5}(AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Ferro-kaersutite{Na}{Ca2}{Fe2+3AlTi}(Al2Si6O22)O2Mon.
9.DE.15Ferro-pargasite{Na}{Ca2}{Fe2+4Al}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Hastingsite{Na}{Ca2}{Fe2+4Fe3+}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Kaersutite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg3AlTi}(Al2Si6O22)O2 Mon.
9.DE.15Magnesio-hastingsite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg4Fe3+}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Pargasite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg4Al}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Sadanagaite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg3Al2}(Si5Al3O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Fluoro-edenite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg5}(AlSi7O22)(F,OH)2Mon. 2/m : P2/m
9.DE.15Potassic-ferro-ferri-sadanagaite{K}{Ca2}{Fe2+3Fe3+2}(Al3Si5O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Potassic-sadanagaite{K}{Ca2}{Mg3Al2}(Al3Si5O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Potassic-pargasite{K}{Ca2}{Mg4Al}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Potassic-ferro-sadanagaite{K}{Ca2}{Fe2+3Al2}(Al3Si5O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.15Magnesio-fluoro-hastingsite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg4Fe3+}(Al2Si6O22)F2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.15Potassic-fluoro-hastingsite{K}{Ca2}{Fe2+4Fe3+}(Al2Si6O22)(F,OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.15Potassic-chloro-hastingsite{K}{Ca2}{Fe2+4Fe3+}(Al2Si6O22)(Cl,OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.15Fluoro-pargasite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg4Al}(Al2Si6O22)(F,OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.15Parvo-mangano-edenite{Na}{CaMn2+}{Mg5}(AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.15Potassic-chloro-pargasite{K}{Ca2}{Mg4Al}(Al2Si6O22)(Cl,OH)2
9.DE.15Potassic-ferro-chloro-edenite{K}{Ca2}{Fe2+5}(AlSi7O22)(Cl,OH)2
9.DE.15Potassic-magnesio-hastingsite{K}{Ca2}{Mg4Fe3+}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.15Potassic-ferro-pargasite{K}{Ca2}{Fe2+4Al}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.15Chromio-pargasite{Na}{Ca2}{Mg4Cr3+}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Ferro-taramiteNa(CaNa)(Fe2+3Al2)(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Barroisite☐{CaNa}{Mg3Al2}(AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.20Ferro-ferri-barroisite☐(CaNa)(Fe2+3Fe3+2)(AlSi7O22)(OH)2
9.DE.20Ferro-ferri-winchite☐[CaNa][Fe2+4(Fe3+,Al)]Si8O22(OH)2
9.DE.20Ferri-barroisite☐(CaNa)(Mg3Fe3+2)(AlSi7O22)(OH)2
9.DE.20Ferro-ferri-taramiteNa(CaNa)(Fe2+3Fe3+2)(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2
9.DE.20Ferro-ferri-katophoriteNa(NaCa)(Fe2+4Fe3+)(Si7Al)O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Ferro-barroisite☐{CaNa}{Fe2+3Al2}(AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Ferro-richterite{Na}{CaNa}{Fe2+5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.20Ferro-winchite ☐{CaNa}{Fe2+4Al}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.20Ferro-katophorite{Na}{CaNa}{Fe2+4Al}[(AlSi7)O22](OH)2
9.DE.20Ferri-taramiteNa(CaNa)(Mg3Fe3+2)(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.20Magnesiotaramite{Na}{CaNa}{Mg3AlFe3+}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.20Richterite{Na}{NaCa}{Mg5}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Winchite☐{CaNa}{Mg4Al}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m
9.DE.20Taramite{Na}{CaNa}{Mg3Al2}(Al2Si6O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Fluoro-richterite{Na}{CaNa}{Mg5}(Si8O22)(F,OH)2Mon. 2/m
9.DE.20Katophorite{Na}{CaNa}{Mg4Al}[(AlSi7)O22](OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Potassic-fluoro-richterite{K}{CaNa}{Mg5}(Si8O22)(F,OH)2Mon.
9.DE.20Potassic-richterite{K}{CaNa}{Mg5}Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Ferri-ghoseite☐[Mn2+Na][Mg4Fe3+]Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m
9.DE.20Ferri-winchite☐[CaNa][Mg4(Fe3+,Al)]Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.20Fluoro-taramite{Na}{CaNa}{Mg3Al2}(Al2Si6O22)F2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Arfvedsonite[Na][Na2][Fe2+4Fe3+]Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25EckermanniteNaNa2(Mg4Al}Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Ferro-eckermanniteNaNa2(Fe2+4Al)Si8O22(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Ferro-glaucophane◻[Na2][Fe2+3Al2]Si8O22(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Glaucophane◻[Na2][Mg3Al2]Si8O22(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Potassic-mangani-leakeite[(Na,K)][Na2][Mg2Mn3+2Li]Si8O22(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Mangano-ferri-eckermannite{Na}{Na2}{Mn2+4Fe3+}Si8O22(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Ferri-leakeite[Na][Na2][Mg2Fe3+2Li]Si8O22(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Magnesio-riebeckite◻{Na2}{Mg3Fe3+2}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Magnesio-arfvedsonite{Na}{Na2}{Mg4Fe3+}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25NybøiteNaNa2(Mg3Al2)(AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Riebeckite◻[Na2][Fe2+3Fe3+2]Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Mangano-mangani-ungarettiiteNaNa2(Mn2+2Mn3+3)(Si8O22)O2Mon.
9.DE.25Ferro-ferri-nybøiteNaNa2[(Fe2+3,Mg)Fe3+2](AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Clino-ferro-ferri-holmquistite◻{Li2}{Fe2+3Fe3+2}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Ferri-nybøiteNaNa2(Mg3Fe3+2](AlSi7O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Ferro-ferri-leakeite[Na][Na2][Fe2+2Fe3+2Li]Si8O22(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Ferro-ferri-fluoro-leakeiteNa(Na2)(Fe2+2Fe3+2Li)(Si8O22)(F)2Mon.
9.DE.25Sodic-ferri-clinoferroholmquistiteNa0.5{Li2}{Fe2+3Fe3+2}(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Magnesio-fluoro-arfvedsonite[Na][Na2][Mg4Fe3+][Si8O22](F,OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Ferri-pedrizite[Na][Li2][Mg2Fe3+2Li]Si8O22(OH)2Mon.
9.DE.25Potassic-ferri-leakeite[K][Na2][Mg2Fe3+2Li]Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Fluoro-nybøiteNaNa2(Mg3Al2)(AlSi7O22)(F,OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Mangani-dellaventuraite{Na}{Na2}{MgMn3+2LiTi4+}Si8O22O2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Fluoro-pedriziteNaLi2(Mg2Al2Li)(Si8O22)F2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Potassic-arfvedsonite[(K,Na)][Na2][Fe2+4Fe3+]Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Mangani-obertiiteNa(Na2)(Mg3Mn3+Ti)(Si8O22)O2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Potassic-magnesio-fluoro-arfvedsonite[(K,Na)][Na2][Mg4Fe3+][Si8O22][(F,OH)2]
9.DE.25Ferro-ferri-pedrizite[Na][Li2][Fe2+2Fe3+2Li]Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Potassic-magnesio-arfvedsonite[K][Na2][Mg4Fe3+]Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25PedriziteNaLi2(LiMg2Al2)(Si8O22)(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Ferro-pedriziteNaLi2(Fe2+2Al2Li)Si8O22(OH)2Mon. 2/m : B2/m
9.DE.25Fluoro-leakeiteNaNa2(Mg2Al2Li)(Si8O22)F2Mon. 2/m : B2/m

Fluorescence of Ferro-ferri-obertiiteHide

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Health Risks:
No information on health risks for this material has been entered into the database. You should always treat mineral specimens with care.

References for Ferro-ferri-obertiiteHide

Reference List:
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Hawthorne, F.C., Oberti, R., Zanetti, A., Czamanske G.K. (1998) The role of Ti in hydrogen-deficient amphiboles: Sodic-calcic and sodic amphiboles from Coyote Peak, California. Canadian Mineralogist: 36: 1253-1265.
IMA Approvals - August 2009
Hawthorne, F.C., Ball, N.A., Czamanske, G.K. (2010) Ferro-obertiite, NaNa2(Fe2+Fe3+Ti)Si8O22O2, new mineral of the amphibole group from Coyote Peak, Humboldt County, California. Canadian Mineralogist: 48: 301-306.
Hawthorne, Frank C., Oberti, Roberta, Harlow, George E., Maresch, Walter V., Martin, Robert F., Schumacer, John C., Welch, Mark D. (2012) Nomenclature of the amphibole supergroup. American Mineralogist: 97: 2031–2048.

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Germany
 
  • Rhineland-Palatinate
    • Mayen
      • Ettringen
        • Bellerberg volcano
Günter Blaß information
USA (TL)
 
  • California
    • Humboldt Co.
      • Coastal Range
IMA approvals - August 2009
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