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Improving Mindat.orgno such place as Grouse Butts

20th Dec 2014 22:56 UTCColin Robinson

In the list of locations for Swaledale, U.K. there is an entry for 'Grouse Butts' at Old Gang mines. Firstly grouse butts is not a place but a description of the firing positions used by grouse shooters on the moors. These are usually low walls, often made from peat, timber or stone, behind which the shooter and his/her loader stand while firing. Secondly the grid reference given is for a location near Beattock in Scotland. It should read NY 965005. In UK grid refs. the 'eastings' always come first.

25th Jan 2015 16:04 UTCColin Robinson

I see that Grouse Butts is still listed as a location. There are lines of grouse butts either side of Ash Pot Gutter as indeed there are thousands of them dotted about all over the moors in the area. If the person who posted the location could contact me I'll explain what grouse butts are, why they are frequently non-permanent features and why they should not be used for a location. My suggestion would be to rename the location Ash Pot Gutter which is a definite physical feature. The extensive workings there are on Old Rake vein and the large dump is from Victoria Level. Any of the italicised names would work for a location but, please, not Grouse Butts.

25th Jan 2015 16:34 UTCBecky Coulson 🌟 Expert

Hi Colin, I burst out laughing when I read this! As an American transplanted to the UK, the name "Grouse Butts" must be hilarious in the States. I hope the link below, with a photo of a temporary grouse butt used in shooting, makes the problem clear and gets the name fixed. Becky


http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/424424

25th Jan 2015 17:59 UTCColin Robinson

I just checked one of my mine plans and realize the workings are not on Old Rake vein. Victoria level was driven up to Watersykes vein but the workings there were so complex it would be difficult to know exactly where any dump material actually came from.


Becky, I realize how the name might sound to an American. I suspect others might have called me an old grouse butt behind my back on occasion.;-)

25th Jan 2015 21:29 UTCBecky Coulson 🌟 Expert

I just noticed - the mindat site symbol on the locality map for "Reeth" shows Grouse Butts as being north of Dumfries, Scotland! There is also another Yorkshire locality shown in the Cumbrian Lake District. I think some fixing is required...

25th Jan 2015 22:49 UTCColin Robinson

Becky, I think some of the people who post locations need lessons in basic map reading!

26th Jan 2015 08:56 UTCKnut Edvard Larsen Manager

Thanks, Colin and Becky !

Locality now fixed.

26th Jan 2015 17:17 UTCBecky Coulson 🌟 Expert

Knut, thank you for fixing the name. On the locality map for "Reeth", there are still two site symbols that are in the wrong place - one in the Lake District of Cumbria (not Yorkshire), and one up in Scotland instead of in Reeth.

2nd Feb 2015 19:22 UTCKnut Edvard Larsen Manager

http://www.mindat.org/loc-53235.html

Becky, do you have the correct coordinates ?

2nd Feb 2015 20:19 UTCBecky Coulson 🌟 Expert

Knut, I do not have the exact locations, just that the map symbols are not even in Yorkshire. Colin is likely to know these localities, and hopefully he will answer - if not I will send a PM to him.

2nd Feb 2015 21:07 UTCColin Robinson

Becky and Knut, the grid ref. for Calver Hill should be NZ 013 006.

The listing for Jingle Pot presumably refers to the Jingle Pot vein and there is a line of old shafts along the vein centred on NZ 044 010. The grid ref. given is too far to the north-west.

4th Feb 2015 08:41 UTCKnut Edvard Larsen Manager

Thanks ! Fixed

17th Jul 2015 02:43 UTCLloyd Llewellyn Expert

As there are probably scores of groups of grouse butts marked on OS maps all over the North Pennines, would anybody have an objection to dispensing with the "Grouse Butts" altogether?
 
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